[AlexV]

Tools belong in the toolbox, not in people's posts. You're not getting what he's saying, try harder, or express yourself better. These PCs you debugged, they had configured Windows update to download updates but ask for user permission for install/check for updates and ask for user interaction for download and install, and yet it went rogue and started installing stuff? Because if that didn't happen, and the user opted to install something you don't have much of a point. If it did, you do. So, which way is it?

[Albuquerque]

Originally Posted by karlotta

It wasnt "optional" it was "important", It wasnt "Vendor", it was USER and it was pushed, and it was win7, and it has happened a few times on all MS OS's...

So the user opted to click OK? Because that's not what you were alluding to earlier. And I love your gross overgeneralization of "all MS OS's", especially since Vista was the first MS operating system to directly offer driver updates (as optional, mind you) via the standard Windows Update service. Microsoft could only offer you XP drivers over the internet if you specifically told it to via a forced driver update in device manager, or during a new hardware insertion where the "New Hardware" prompt was displayed and you chose "Automatically download online" or some such...

So by "all MS OS's" you actually meant to say NT6 and later, and by "wasn't optional' you meant to say that the user opted to install it? Because, uh, that's how it works in the real world. So I'm assuming that's what you really meant to say and are just somehow not able to get it completely through your keyboard.

[chavvdarrr]

A new version of Heaven benchmark was released http://unigine.com/products/heaven/ yesterday, with support fro OpenGL 4.0, yet in known issues there is:

Crash in wireframe mode on ATI Radeon HD 5xxx

Please don't use wireframe mode on this hardware with tessellation enabled.

Incorrect work of hardware tessellation in OpenGL on ATI cards

[Broken Hope]

Would that explain why ATI is so slow in OpenGL 4.0, or is there driver just really slow?

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100527/test...70-vs-hd-5770/

[rpg.314]

It is a sad to note that ogl 4.1 gets released and no body even posts a thread on it after so much time.

I myself got a shock when I landed on their spec page.

Get it here: http://www.opengl.org/registry/

[Dave Baumann]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-Un....html?x=0&.v=1

FYI - We'll soon be supporting OpenGL ES 2.0 on Radeon's.

Edit: Driver available here

[Novum]

Isn't GL ES just a defined subset of OpenGL?

[arjan de lumens]

Originally Posted by Novum

Isn't GL ES just a defined subset of OpenGL?

Not quite (unless you count OpenGL 4.1, which was apparently released today); some GLES features that have traditionally not been part of GL include:

• GL_FIXED: a 16:16 fixedpoint datatype for vertex data.
• glShaderBinary(): The ability to get/set shaders in the form of binaries (as opposed to just source code)
• Precision modifiers in the shading language ("lowp", "mediump", "highp", corresponding to FX10, FP16, FP24, respectively)

The biggest new feature of OpenGL 4.1 is that it now includes all of these features into the main OpenGL spec (even though it explicitly ignores the precision modifiers).

[rpg.314]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

FYI - We'll soon be supporting OpenGL ES 2.0 on Radeon's.

That is good to hear. In principle, availability of OGLES2.0 on Windows should make projects like ANGLE redundant, right?

[Novum]

Originally Posted by arjan de lumens

[*]glShaderBinary(): The ability to get/set shaders in the form of binaries (as opposed to just source code)

Is that in GL 4.1? Finally!

Originally Posted by rpg.314

That is good to hear. In principle, availability of OGLES2.0 on Windows should make projects like ANGLE redundant, right?

Not quite. Drivers provided with Windows and through Windows update don't include OpenGL at all, and most people don't update them manually.

[zed]

and most people don't update them manually.

well perhaps the general public (including ppl who just use the pc to surf the net) but if you see the largest hardware survey on the planet of game players (steam) you will see that a large percentage do in fact have recent drivers. Note - I cant see that info at present but last time I checked it was there