[digitalwanderer]

I don't get your problem Willard, can you explain it in small words for me?

[Broken Hope]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

with hardware PowerPlay, because we can get much lower lows and because it is hardware activity based PowerPlay states will move around frequently - both at the desktop and even in games - and so in multi-panel mode we have restricted the memory clock switching so that the screen flashing as it moves states on some of them do not occur.

If hardware PowerPlay is based on hardware activity what is the reason that the Flash 10.1 beta will bug out PowerPlay and prevent it returning to idle clocks after viewing a HD flash video?

[Dave Baumann]

PowerPlay works with a number of software/system detected states (i.e. "standard single monitor", Multi-Monitor, UVD, Overdrive, etc., etc.) each of which can have high, medium and low values. The UVD state tends to have the high, medium and low states set at the same values.

[Broken Hope]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

PowerPlay works with a number of software/system detected states (i.e. "standard single monitor", Multi-Monitor, UVD, Overdrive, etc., etc.) each of which can have high, medium and low values. The UVD state tends to have the high, medium and low states set at the same values.

But shouldn't the UVD state only be working when UVD is accelerating decoding? The Flash 10.1 bug keeps the GPU at UVD clock speeds when idle until you reboot the system even when I'm not viewing a video/HD flash video.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by Broken Hope

The Flash 10.1 bug keeps the GPU at UVD clock speeds when idle until you reboot the system even when I'm not viewing a video/HD flash video.

Yes, that indicates that something that has activated UVD is still lingering in memory,

[Broken Hope]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

Yes, that indicates that something that has activated UVD is still lingering in memory,

Not sure what it is then since even when closing down Firefox which should unload the flash plugin the clocks still don't return to idle clocks.

[OpenGL guy]

Originally Posted by Broken Hope

Not sure what it is then since even when closing down Firefox which should unload the flash plugin the clocks still don't return to idle clocks.

Are you certain nothing is still resident? Check the task manager to be sure.

[Broken Hope]

Originally Posted by OpenGL guy

Are you certain nothing is still resident? Check the task manager to be sure.

I'm certain, I closed everything down, the only processes running under my name were stuff that's there at boot up. At a fresh start it's fine, it will run at idle clocks, once a HD flash video has been run it's stuck at UVD clocks, this only occurs with the Flash 10.1 beta.

[Imiss3dfx]

Hello Dave, I can't see this listed anywhere so I thought I would ask.
It just seems like ATI doesn't know about the 120hz problems with their cards. The problem is that most ATI users can't use the new 120hz lcd screens in 2D mode and some also have problems in 3D mode, since that causes distortion. It's just been over a year since the screens came out, and it still doesn't work unless you use a nvidia card

If you google ATI 120hz you can find lots of threads about it, and on the ATI forum there are many threads too. There is a thread on Anandtech as well with some videos of it here.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=327884
It just seems like a really really easy thing to fix. All that has to be done is to increase the 2D clock a bit if it runs on 120hz..so it seems weird it takes so long. And as it's pointed out on the last page on the Anandtech thread, it's not even recognized as a know problem in the driver changelog

Thank you.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by Imiss3dfx

Hello Dave, I can't see this listed anywhere so I thought I would ask.
It just seems like ATI doesn't know about the 120hz problems with their cards. The problem is that most ATI users can't use the new 120hz lcd screens in 2D mode and some also have problems in 3D mode, since that causes distortion. It's just been over a year since the screens came out, and it still doesn't work unless you use a nvidia card

Read this thread. I was updated a few drivers back. You may still see an issue if you're overclocking, but remove the OC and use the latest drivers and give it a go.

[Davros]

didnt know there was a 3d mode with ati cards?

[Squilliam]

Originally Posted by Davros

didnt know there was a 3d mode with ati cards?

Ever since the ATI movie "Final Fantasy: The Sprites within" bombed at the box office theres been an emphasis on 3D rendering.

[Imiss3dfx]

Hello again. It seems distortion has been fixed for most, if not all HD5000 users, though I still see HD4000 users with problem. And both HD4000 and HD5000 users have limited 120hz, since it only works in native.

A few cases on distortion

- Completely uninstalled 9.11 on Win 7 X64. Installed 9.12 but the screen still flickers on the desktop in 120hz! HD4830 user

- The issue has not been fixet yet with 48xx series, atleast with my HD4850.

- I got a Radeon 5850 with Catalyst 9.12 and I get massive annyoing flickering on my screen (Samsung 2233RZ LCD 120 hz) when running at 120 HZ. But as soon as I switch back to 60 HZ, the flickering is gone.

A few cases on the 120hz limited to native

- 9.12 still limits 120hz to native. HD4870 X2 user

- my CFG: Samsung 2233rz 120hz + HD5870 + win7 64bits. 9.12 results: perfect 120hz in native resolution... but a crappy 60hz in every other resolutions. Problem not totally solve... need 120hz in all res'.

[Broken Hope]

So Mass Effect 2 is out in 5 days, Nvidia have already released drivers with a SLI profile, unless the Catalyst 10.1's which I'm guessing will be released sometime next week also have a Crossfire profile it looks like AMD has let another top game get released without proper support.

The 5870 doesn't seem to be that much faster then the GTX 285 with AA enabled either according to benchmarks.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...deon/Practice/

[Moloch]

As long as it's the fastest card in the game it really doesn't matter...
Lack of proper support would entail rendering errors or bugs, since it doesn't, it supports the game perfectly.

[Broken Hope]

Originally Posted by Moloch

As long as it's the fastest card in the game it really doesn't matter...
Lack of proper support would entail rendering errors or bugs, since it doesn't, it supports the game perfectly.

I don't think the 5970 owners will think the same if it doesn't have a crossfire profile.

[EduardoS]

Is crossfire profile really needed?

[FrameBuffer]

Originally Posted by EduardoS

Is crossfire profile really needed?

If 5900 users want their (dual 5800) cards to perform better than a single 5800, I'm sure they do. I think we've seen enough cases were either the lack of a profile or improper "optimization" shows X2s having near or less performance than a single GPU.

[Davros]

do sli nv cards also need a profile ?

[Moloch]

Originally Posted by Broken Hope

I don't think the 5970 owners will think the same if it doesn't have a crossfire profile.

But it works and the game isn't out yet, for all you know they could release a mass effect 2 hotfix when the game ships.

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by Moloch

But it works and the game isn't out yet, for all you know they could release a mass effect 2 hotfix when the game ships.

a second cat 10.1 beta was leaked with better performance and the officals are this week. Using old drivers wont get you anywhere.

[Moloch]

Originally Posted by eastmen

a second cat 10.1 beta was leaked with better performance and the officals are this week. Using old drivers wont get you anywhere.

Who said anything about old drivers

[Psycho]

Originally Posted by Davros

do sli nv cards also need a profile ?

I guess this answers your question: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17372/1/
(and could say more or less the same about this as broken hope did wrt mass effect )

[homerdog]

Does ATI's SSAA work with Mass Effect?

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by Moloch

Who said anything about old drivers

I was sayin that there are two newer drivers than the ones used in the review .