[gkar1]

Any word about a Portrait-Landscape-Portrait Eyefinity setup being possible with HD69xx?

[Erinyes]

Now that we have naked PCB shots, why has nobody used Photoshop and determined an accurate die size yet??

[mczak]

Originally Posted by onethreehill

HD 6970 & HD 6950
http://www.coolpc.com.tw/phpBB2/view...276669#p276669

Not sure it has been mentioned yet, but the cards are using hynix H5GQ2H24MFR-R0C chips (the link incorrectly states (?) these are 7.0 Gbps, hynix website says otherwise, 6.0 Gbps). This is a overvolted specced part (1.6V), though it officially supports 4.0 Gbps at 1.35V - I wonder if the cards make use of the lower voltage when downclocking finally.

[Jawed]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18217697

[3dilettante]

Originally Posted by Erinyes

Now that we have naked PCB shots, why has nobody used Photoshop and determined an accurate die size yet??

Using Photoshop to increase the accuracy of our GPU information?
Never.

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by Rangers

But then again that seems doubtful because it seems 6970 will need every one of 880 mhz to be competitive performance wise, so it seems doubtful they could have been planning for less.

It's just marketing. The "max TDP" setting will simply be what we're accustomed to getting as "default clocks". The only way this would change things is if, as I mentioned above, different functional blocks can be dynamically up/down clocked depending on demand for those functions. Then you wouldnt just be getting better power management but also higher performance too as you're putting more of your power consumption into useful work. Maybe that's what AMD is doing which would be sweet. If not, then it's just a Furmark limiter.

[Pressure]

I'll agree, they could pretty much ditch all the other connectors and stay with Mini-DisplayPort, e.g. like the Radeon HD 5870 EyeFinity version.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Erinyes

Now that we have naked PCB shots, why has nobody used Photoshop and determined an accurate die size yet??

Measuring up primitively with the only known factor, the PCI-Express x16 slot (89mm), I get the die to be 20,8 x 18,7 mm, which coincides with the rumored 389mm2.

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Anyone know what the card length is? It looks pretty tight for most midi cases.

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

Anyone know what the card length is? It looks pretty tight for most midi cases.

almost equal to the 580, well within the ATX spec anyway. (buy good cases, refuse designs that don't conform with ATX!)

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Originally Posted by neliz

almost equal to the 580, well within the ATX spec anyway. (buy good cases, refuse designs that don't conform with ATX!)

So how long is the 580 then? Come on, I need to measure up!

There are a lot of ATX cases that don't allow the full length of the ATX spec for the graphics card. I've got an Antec 300 that (for instance) wouldn't fit a 5970 that AMD says is within the ATX spec. I think It will take a 11 inch card, but you can't have drives in two of the hard drive bays to allow it to fit.

[-The_Mask-]

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

10.58 inches then. Thanks The_Mask. I've just noticed the sticker on the side that says "slow speed board".

Edit: If anyone else needs to know, there's a fraction over 11 inches in an Antec 300, but then you can't have a drive in the next door bay or the one below for the heatsink fan.

[UniversalTruth]

Guys, what's going on with HD 6990? Any info, expected performance? Release date? Perhaps the end of January?

[-The_Mask-]

Originally Posted by UniversalTruth

Any info

3072 Steamprocessors

expected performance?

Something like HD6950 in CrossFireX

Release date? Perhaps the end of January?

CES I think

[Broken Hope]

Looks like default is the lower TDP setting, or the newer drivers used here are a lot better.

I can confirm the German results are fake.
Well, my 6970 from Sapphire arrived.
They've specifically gave a download exclusively to the latest drivers which truly unlock the performance, and it's beating a stock 580 in Heaven, albeit the max FPS is a little lower.

[mczak]

Originally Posted by -The_Mask-

3072 Steamprocessors

I haven't seen anything yet which said it's 2x full cayman. I guess though with the new dynamic clocking scheme AMD got a lot more room to play with clocks instead of disabling simds for power reasons, so it might make sense.

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

More from Gibbo at OCUK:

Hi there

Some OC's from my testing:-

HIS 6950 stable at 930Mhz Core and 5950MHz Memory.

HIS 6970 stable at 980MHz Core and 6200MHz Memory.


I think there is more to go with voltage tweaking etc.

Has AMD pulled off a double bluff, and 6970 is going to easily match or better GTX580 with a significantly smaller and cheaper chip? With Antilles waiting to do more damage next month?

[Mize]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

Has AMD pulled off a double bluff, and 5970 is going to easily match or better GTX580 with a significantly smaller and cheaper chip? With Antilles waiting to do more damage next month?

(Assume you meant 6970)
While I seriously doubt the 6970 will beat the 580, it would be wonderful for all of us (fans of either or none) if it did...lower prices!!

[trinibwoy]

No shit? That would be quite a coup after all the flak they got over tessellation.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

More from Gibbo at OCUK:

Has AMD pulled off a double bluff, and 5970 is going to easily match or better GTX580 with a significantly smaller and cheaper chip? With Antilles waiting to do more damage next month?

nope

[A.L.M.]

Originally Posted by Broken Hope

Looks like default is the lower TDP setting, or the newer drivers used here are a lot better.

Source?

[Erinyes]

Originally Posted by Pressure

Measuring up primitively with the only known factor, the PCI-Express x16 slot (89mm), I get the die to be 20,8 x 18,7 mm, which coincides with the rumored 389mm2.

Another reference could be the memory chips, I guess you could use either.

All we need now is a naked die shot of Gf100b/GF110

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

Anyone know what the card length is? It looks pretty tight for most midi cases.

I think its the same as the 5870 which is 10.5". I've asked this question before and still haven't got a proper answer. Why is it that Nvidia with more complex PCB's, more memory chips, much bigger die package and greater power requirements(meaning more VRM circuitry) still manages to produce cards which match or are actually shorter than AMD's.(in the GTX 2xx series there was also an additional NVIO chip). AMD could help enthusiasts out by designing their boards better. The amount of unused space on the PCB is staggering

Originally Posted by mczak

I haven't seen anything yet which said it's 2x full cayman. I guess though with the new dynamic clocking scheme AMD got a lot more room to play with clocks instead of disabling simds for power reasons, so it might make sense.

Whats surprising? HD 5970 also used 5870's at 5850 clocks. Dave explained the reason as well. There is leakage from the disabled parts as well so it makes more sense to enable the full chip but clock it lower.

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

No shit? That would be quite a coup after all the flak they got over tessellation.

I dont think you ranting about it constitues flak..

[mczak]

Originally Posted by Erinyes

Whats surprising? HD 5970 also used 5870's at 5850 clocks. Dave explained the reason as well. There is leakage from the disabled parts as well so it makes more sense to enable the full chip but clock it lower.

I didn't say it's surprising (nor that I think it will be less simds), simply that noone has "confirmed" it will be all simds. It is quite true that generally enabling all units but clock it lower is better perf/power wise, however it need not necessarily be the case for all chips - and in fact I've got doubts about this for HD5970 since it scales quite badly with simd count (and much better with clock). It _could_ be beneficial to have a slightly higher clock but less simds (don't forget that this also boosts rop etc. performance, so for non-simd bound scenarios it would be faster).

[AnarchX]

Long awaited price war incoming?

Fudo: Radeon HD 6970 to cost 275 euro

With this HD 6800 cards should also see a reduction of 20-30€.