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chavvdarrr · 03-Dec-2009, 06:48

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Originally Posted by Ollo

Hard launch?

Congratulations

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Originally Posted by neliz

He is named Fermi .. r-r-right?

I'd expect Enrico ...

FrameBuffer · 03-Dec-2009, 08:23

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Originally Posted by neliz

Pics or it didn't happen!

CONGRATULATIONS!

He is named Fermi .. r-r-right?

What about Larry B. ?

psolord · 03-Dec-2009, 08:26

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

The good thing with GF100 is that you can take a break for a week or so, drool over your newborn like there's no tomorrow and there still won't be anything worthwhile about it in the net.

Sorry for the OT; as you where

Make him/her (?) an ATI fan. Nvidia sucks!

Congrats man! Na sou zhsei!

The way things are going, he/she will go to school and fermi will still not be out but maybe they will have shown a better fake.

Just kidding of course.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 10:07

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Originally Posted by psolord

Make him/her (?) an ATI fan. Nvidia sucks!

Congrats man! Na sou zhsei!

The way things are going, he/she will go to school and fermi will still not be out but maybe they will have shown a better fake.

Just kidding of course.

Fermi is still far away from R600 level of delay

Anyway, can we get back to Fermi discussion ? Congrats to Ailuros once more, but let's keep this on topic!

neliz · 03-Dec-2009, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Silus

Fermi is still far away from R600 level of delay

R600 was delayed for three to four months.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 10:53

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Originally Posted by neliz

R600 was delayed for three to four months.

Fermi is being considered "late" from the launch of the HD 5800s. R600 was released 7 months after the launch of G80.

G80 -> beginning of November 2006
R600 -> middle of May 2007

So no, 3-4 months are not quite accurate

neliz · 03-Dec-2009, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Silus

So no, 3-4 months are not quite accurate

I'm talking about the projected release date, not how late is was compared to G80.

CarstenS · 03-Dec-2009, 11:32

Contrary to Fermi, I have 2 2900 XT/1G sitting in my archive.

Ailuros · 03-Dec-2009, 12:56

Thanks guys; I'm touched *snif* It's a she and the name reminds of the west side story as a hint

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Originally Posted by Razor1

ya know Ail I'm going to expect you to be on here more often with all the sleepless nights

No sleepless nights for us till now. We lose roughly an hour sleep all together every night, since you need roughly half an hour to feed and clean up the parallel mess babys tend to fill the diper with while eating.

psolord,

Hmmm I tried when she was yelling her breast out for food whispering AMD and she didn't stop; with NVIDIA the volume increased for some strange reason. I also tried IMG but the bottle of warm milk was already in her mouth at that time

Jokes aside, it's a good reminder for all of us that the true miracles of nature are lightyears apart from silly hw or any other product out there. I'm still proud that we "created" rather a Cypress than a Fermi, since she arrived 13 days earlier in perfect health

***edit: whoever wants to see pics, send me a PM for details; I'm not going to spread over the internet her pics for any possible weirdo to have access to them.

seahawk · 03-Dec-2009, 13:12

Just do not call her Cypress. And congrats and best wishes.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

Jokes aside, it's a good reminder for all of us that the true miracles of nature are lightyears apart from silly hw or any other product out there. I'm still proud that we "created" rather a Cypress than a Fermi, since she arrived 13 days earlier in perfect health

I don't think anyone (actually, everyone not a fanatic) ever thought that the miracles came from pieces of silicon

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 13:26

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Originally Posted by CarstenS

Contrary to Fermi, I have 2 2900 XT/1G sitting in my archive.

You better. That thing was released over 2 years ago

Ailuros · 03-Dec-2009, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Silus

I don't think anyone (actually, everyone not a fanatic) ever thought that the miracles came from pieces of silicon

You don't have to be a fanatic follower of whatever brand to get too absorbed by certain things outside of true miracles. It was just a reminder how awefully silly it is to get emotional over a silly piece of silicon and yes there are times where I'm not completely innocent either.

Jawed · 03-Dec-2009, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Silus

Fermi is being considered "late" from the launch of the HD 5800s.

Er, no, late from the launch of W7.

40nm at TSMC carries quite a chunk of blame. But NVidia has basically been late with everything since G84/86, so I wouldn't be too hard on TSMC.

Arguably some Evergreen GPUs are late, too. Cedar/Redwood should be out there now. I can't help thinking that Cypress was meant to be a May/June launch.

Jawed

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

You don't have to be a fanatic follower of whatever brand to get too absorbed by certain things outside of true miracles. It was just a reminder how awefully silly it is to get emotional over a silly piece of silicon and yes there are times where I'm not completely innocent either.

Enough of that anyway! Enjoy your baby and keep her away from geeks that talk about pieces of silicon...you are the exception to that rule obviously ^_^

Ailuros · 03-Dec-2009, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Jawed

Er, no, late from the launch of W7.

40nm at TSMC carries quite a chunk of blame. But NVidia has basically been late with everything since G84/86, so I wouldn't be too hard on TSMC.

Arguably some Evergreen GPUs are late, too. Cedar/Redwood should be out there now. I can't help thinking that Cypress was meant to be a May/June launch.

Jawed

I'll say it again: IMHO NV needs to reconsider its strategy and release a performance part first with high end and lower end parts to follow. Let's just accept for now that it still wasn't possible with this generation, but I don't see there being an excuse for future generations especially since chip complexity is getting more and more critical.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Jawed

Er, no, late from the launch of W7.

Okay, then that makes Fermi even less "late".

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Originally Posted by Jawed

40nm at TSMC carries quite a chunk of blame. But NVidia has basically been late with everything since G84/86, so I wouldn't be too hard on TSMC.

Yeah, TSMC, at a time where they should be showing their customers how they should keep using their fabs (given the upcoming competition), are fumbling with the 40nm process.

Was G92 late ? I don't recall it being late, but then again NVIDIA had no competition at the time, so there wasn't much to track...

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Originally Posted by Jawed

Arguably some Evergreen GPUs are late, too. Cedar/Redwood should be out there now. I can't help thinking that Cypress was meant to be a May/June launch.

Jawed

Who knows, but ATI is certainly suffering from TSMC woes. They are just better than NVIDIA, since there are at least some new cards out.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

I'll say it again: IMHO NV needs to reconsider its strategy and release a performance part first with high end and lower end parts to follow. Let's just accept for now that it still wasn't possible with this generation, but I don't see there being an excuse for future generations especially since chip complexity is getting more and more critical.

IMO that's more or less what I think they'll do. They will most likely release the GeForce 380 (full chip, though with some HPC specific features disabled/removed) along with a new chip with half or a bit more than half the units of the 380, to cover the mid-range segment (GeForce 350 maybe ?). They may re-capture the performance crown and thus "mindshare", but the ultra high-end is not the most profitable segment, so they need to have a performance part aswell.

mapel110 · 03-Dec-2009, 14:39

40nm has been a problem for nearly all chips. I don't think just lowering the transistor count would help that much in such a case.

rpg.314 · 03-Dec-2009, 14:52

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Originally Posted by mapel110

40nm has been a problem for nearly all chips. I don't think just lowering the transistor count would help that much in such a case.

Chip complexity and consequently design effort scales superlinearly with tranny count, everything else being equal. Process troubles are due to TSMC in this case, and no fabless ihv can fix that, apart from making sure that they didn't break any design rules.

neliz · 03-Dec-2009, 16:09

Realism finally takes control of Fuad

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In January, Nvidia should have the final samples and a limited number of Fermi Geforce GT300 chips, but the launch might take place later.

If pushed, Nvidia might launch Fermi Geforce in late January as the final chips should be there by then, but real volume shipments should start towards end of Q1 2010.

The most realistic availability date is March 2010, and again only if everything goes right. Judging by our previous information, Nvidia delayed its plans by more than one, if not two quarters.

TweakTown's take

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Every day I try to somehow snag a Fermi sample from one of the many companies we work with here at TweakTown. The problem is for the first time over the weekend we heard the 'M' word come out of a partners mouth in regards to the release. What's the 'M' word? March!

January seemed a pretty set date from most partners when it came to the release of the new NVIDIA based graphics card, the problem is though that for the first time we've now heard a February / March timeline. You can't help be feel worried that the time is slipping further and further away.

Silus · 03-Dec-2009, 16:34

Doesn't surprise if the other "article" is true too:

40nm ATI / Nvidia shortage to last whole Q1 10

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16686/1/

So it's bad for ATI, worse for NVIDIA...but it's especially bad for us.

I doubt that they don't release the first Fermi based products in Januray though. There will be extremely limited quantities, but they will exist in the consumer market at least.

fellix · 03-Dec-2009, 17:28

I wonder, what is the prospect of NV being forced (by the circumstances) to release a cut-down GeForce Fermi SKU with 256-bit interface and scaled down number of multi-processors (12 for instance) -- new IC or salvage part?
Obviously the 3B transistor count monster is a too large bite for TSMC.

Arty · 03-Dec-2009, 17:51

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Originally Posted by fellix

I wonder, what is the prospect of NV being forced (by the circumstances) to release a cut-down GeForce Fermi SKU with 256-bit interface and scaled down number of multi-processors (12 for instance) -- new IC or salvage part?
Obviously the 3B transistor count monster is a too large bite for TSMC.

GT212 part duex.

trinibwoy · 03-Dec-2009, 17:59

What possible reason could there be for ATi's parts to still see low yields all the way into Q1?

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seahawk Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 284	Just do not call her Cypress. And congrats and best wishes.

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mapel110 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 150	40nm has been a problem for nearly all chips. I don't think just lowering the transistor count would help that much in such a case.

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Silus Naughty Boy! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 375	Doesn't surprise if the other "article" is true too: 40nm ATI / Nvidia shortage to last whole Q1 10 http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16686/1/ So it's bad for ATI, worse for NVIDIA...but it's especially bad for us. I doubt that they don't release the first Fermi based products in Januray though. There will be extremely limited quantities, but they will exist in the consumer market at least.

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