[Sinistar]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

They actually recommend that you buy a second card just for PhysX, not sure how that can be considered marketing to the masses. However, a GTX 260 should handle it just fine at normal resolutions. And that is definitely in mass territory now ($150).

Thats funny, thats what Ageia said. It seem the same people who attacked them for that, are now espousing it.

[leoneazzurro]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Yes but don't you invalidate the remainder of your post by leading off with a false hypothesis? You do not need a "very high enthusiast card" to run PhysX. Repeating it won't make it true.

Besides, it's not marketed as a "mass" product at all. It's marketed as a differentiating feature of Nvidia products. They actually recommend that you buy a second card just for PhysX, not sure how that can be considered marketing to the masses.

Sorry, but we saw that a GTS250 card with "very high" Physx in Batman : AA is brought to the knees. This when all works well, otherwise we have a "stuttering bug" (I have all the time, and you repeating it isn´t true doesn´t make it less true, unfortunately for me). Sacred 2 is in the same ballpark, if not worse as there is no "bug" but only low performances. So you need at least a GTX260 to run it at high settings. OK. So you need a card costing 170+$. This may be high cost, maybe not, certainly it is not a "mass" product.
And now you are saying I´m right, Nvidia is not marketing Physx as a "mass" product, and recommends even buying a separate card for the physics calculations? Well, what can I say, I see a lot of people buying couples of GTX260 only to run some enhanced visual in some games, do I? And I have to run an all Nvidia setting, as if Physx detects and ATI card in the system it does not work anymore? And maybe hordes of developers will jump on the Physx bandwagon, with the target market being not so widespread? And I was so silly as I always thought that success and market penetration were linked to the "widespread" term...

[Davros]

Originally Posted by leoneazzurro

Sorry, but we saw that a GTS250 card with "very high" Physx in Batman :

You shouldnt be using very high with that card, if you run normal physx it will be playable

[leoneazzurro]

Originally Posted by Davros

You shouldnt be using very high with that card, if you run normal physx it will be playable

Yes, if it works well: for me, even "medium" causes stuttering. But that is a bug.
Anyway, I was only stretching it a bit, as in medium settings there are enhancements but not so noticeable like in high setting.

[digitalwanderer]

So the great PhysX title showcase is a bomb with PhysX seems to be the upshot?

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by leoneazzurro

Sorry, but we saw that a GTS250 card with "very high" Physx in Batman : AA is brought to the knees.

Consistency would help. A few posts ago you were incorrectly complaining about it being unplayable even at the lowest setting.

So you need a card costing $170.

And? How is that any different from any other game?

And maybe hordes of developers will jump on the Physx bandwagon, with the target market being not so widespread? And I was so silly as I always thought that success and market penetration were linked to the "widespread" term...

As opposed to what other bandwagon? You do realize PhysX is a complete middleware package, just like Havok right? Not sure what's up with the weird insinuations that somehow developers won't want to use PhysX on its own merits. Developers will keep using PhysX as long as it does what they need it to do and they will keep using GPU PhysX as long as they have the proper mo$iva$ion.

And given that last quote I assume you have joined with the folks saying DX11 is a waste of time? Considering its market penetration is absolute zero

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

And given that last quote I assume you have joined with the folks saying DX11 is a waste of time? Considering its market penetration is absolute zero

I think it's hard to compare a soon-to-be-released technology with an old and dying one.

[AlexV]

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