[DegustatoR]

Originally Posted by Richard

FUD isn't saying x is better than y. It's saying that y sucks and is going down the drain for <whatever_obscure_reason> that isn't readily verifiable. Substitute the variables by your favourite/hated IHV and features.

Saying that something's better is the same as saying that something's worse. So you're essentially saying the same thing.

[Scali]

Originally Posted by neliz

You'd have to wonder why reviewers still enable PhysX when testing Graphics cards as the PhysX benchmark in Vantage is meant to show the difference between a CPU and CPU+PPU combo. Not for benching one graphics card to the other.

How reviewers choose to use their product is not Futuremark's responsibility.
Reviewers have been doing questionable tests and have published questionable interpretations of results for as long as I can remember.

[MfA]

Originally Posted by Sxotty

You can get upset, but I still disagree. Glide went away. Things that are popular can cease to be. Walkman, discman where art thou?

If Carmack&Co hadn't pushed OpenGL (well miniGL, but close enough) then it wouldn't have ended well for us either.

Who's getting upset?

[Ailuros]

While your folks are busy with proprietary *whatever* I am still wondering what happened to the supposed dark H1 or even H2 2010 rumors or the dreadful 2% only yields.

Anyway it wasn't too hard to guess that some people's "guestimates" cannot take them very far in the end.

I'm wondering at this point when NV will release its performance/mainstream/budget G30x parts. Could it mean that the delay of the high end part has moved its release a lot closer to the remaining smaller parts?

[trinibwoy]

http://golubev.com/about_cpu_and_gpu_2_en.htm

And now it's easy to estimate speed of upcoming GT300 and HD5800 series as their peak performance already known and there no difference at architecture for integer calculations.

Really?

While major GT300 feature is MIMD (multiple instructions multiple data) for embarrassingly parallel problem like hash cracking MIMD doesn't matters at all as most of the time we're executing one instruction for all data we have.

Results on existing hardware:



Estimates:

[Sxotty]

Originally Posted by Richard

I agree completely. I'm merely pointing out to Sxotty that just because something disappears doesn't mean its (ill) effects will stop as well.

I wasn't saying they would. I was saying that Mfa's argument that is physX got popular we would never ever have other options b/c it was dominant wasn't necessarily correct.
edit:
Cue MfA's post saying that isn't what he meant either. Then we can all gather round the fire and sing kumbaya

[Slappi]

Senior manager from Nvidia has told Fudzilla that “Our (Nvidia’s) 40nm yields are fine. The rumors you are hearing are baseless.”


Wow Neilz, I think he's talking about you.

Congrats Chuck!

[trinibwoy]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15689/1/

Senior manager from Nvidia has told Fudzilla that “Our (Nvidia’s) 40nm yields are fine. The rumors you are hearing are baseless.” This comes after some stories that GT300 yields are really bad and that next generation Nvidia is in really bad shape. According to AMD’s competitive analysis team, only nine chips should work per wafer, but they got this number due to a bad translation and we can definitely dismiss this number as completely inaccurate information.

Hahaha, Fudo is getting snippy!

[3dilettante]

Is Fuad calling Charlie a member of AMD's competitive analysis team?

[Slappi]

NotAccurateAtAll.com is still available..... Charlie needs to jump on it before it's too late.

[Arty]

Originally Posted by Slappi

NotAccurateAtAll.com is still available..... Charlie needs to jump on it before it's too late.

That is reserved for a joint venture of Theo, KonKorT & Fuad.

[Razor1]

The lower yield rates is real but not to the extent of what SA was stating. And for the fully functional chips its much higher then SA,when you concider the salvage pieces the yield rates are quite acceptable.

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Slappi

Senior manager from Nvidia has told Fudzilla that “Our (Nvidia’s) 40nm yields are fine. The rumors you are hearing are baseless.”

Wow Neilz, I think he's talking about you.

Congrats Chuck!

Indeed,

nvidia management has been telling everyone who wants to hear it how great 40nm production is going. What great prices they are getting over at TSMC and they have no problem whatsoever.

If you just write down what they say, surely there isn't a problem in the world, not even for Fermi.

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

....

Here's an update made today:

Release of GT300 is far in future, so shaders speed/config can change of course. However (if you've read this article), it's easy to re-estimate GT300 performance with new values.

:P

[trinibwoy]

Heh, I wonder what motivated that particular update

[Rys]

<14:30:54>      AlexV - did you see the gt300 leak?
<14:31:38>        rys - Nope
<14:32:53>      AlexV - http://golubev.com/about_cpu_and_gpu_2_en.htm
<14:32:57>      AlexV - bottom of page
<14:34:06>        rys - It's not right
<14:34:30>      AlexV - well that takes care of it

Given that it's silly season around here anyway, I shudder to think what it's going to be like in a few weeks!

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Rys

<14:30:54>      AlexV - did you see the gt300 leak?
<14:31:38>        rys - Nope
<14:32:53>      AlexV - http://golubev.com/about_cpu_and_gpu_2_en.htm
<14:32:57>      AlexV - bottom of page
<14:34:06>        rys - It's not right
<14:34:30>      AlexV - well that takes care of it

Given that it's silly season around here anyway, I shudder to think what it's going to be like in a few weeks!

Hey look what the cat (no pun intended heh...) just dragged in

The author is obviously just speculating on the up to now supposed leaked specifications. I'm still buffled where the supposed "leak" is anyway.

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

The author is obviously just speculating on the up to now supposed leaked specifications. I'm still buffled where the supposed "leak" is anyway.

Maybe there's something more there that he copied from Theo's article back in May?

[DegustatoR]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I'm still buffled where the supposed "leak" is anyway.

Yeah. Everything posted on that page is hardly news to anyone. All that was rumoured for some time already.

[MfA]

Originally Posted by Sxotty

Cue MfA's post saying that isn't what he meant either. Then we can all gather round the fire and sing kumbaya

Why would I? You stopped addressing the arguments and just resorted to stuff like this ... I'll just sit here and gloat now

[Chris123234]

Originally Posted by CarstenS

Yeah, well - it's kinda easy and nice (PR-wise) to ride the open-standards wave.

I wonder why AMD hasn't bought all the rights to a proprietary technology with about 30% market share and then put it into public domain, making it accessible for everyone via Open Standards(tm). Havok* for example?
Because it's effectively that's exactly what those statements say about Nvidia and Physx.

They bought Ageia and Physx (an asset), invested (dunno how much) into it's further development and (i am inclined to think) a whole lot more into it's marketing and now want to earn money with it. I wonder why people think that's somehow unethical for a company.

What's so damn amoralic of advancing technology and at the same time trying to earn money with it, if the alternative seems to be waiting for Godout?

How many people bought into the hype and purchased cards based on that? What was delivered? How far would all this have progressed had they not tried to monopolize the game physics and simply worked towards an open standard? How was physics good for anyone, except for possibly nVidia?

Edit: Didn't read til the end of the thread!

[ChrisRay]

Originally Posted by Rys

<14:30:54>      AlexV - did you see the gt300 leak?
<14:31:38>        rys - Nope
<14:32:53>      AlexV - http://golubev.com/about_cpu_and_gpu_2_en.htm
<14:32:57>      AlexV - bottom of page
<14:34:06>        rys - It's not right
<14:34:30>      AlexV - well that takes care of it

Given that it's silly season around here anyway, I shudder to think what it's going to be like in a few weeks!

You know Rys.. I havent seen on IM in ages..

[MfA]

A few weeks? What's going to change in a few weeks? 2H 2010 might be Charlie FUD, but what is the chance that AMD would point out of the ballpark and tell everyone they were going to be first with just a 6 week lead? Of all the information available I still find AMD's 100% certainty of being first the greatest reason to not expect anything before Christmas (well product wise at any rate).

[trinibwoy]

Since when does the definition of first include a > 6 week lead?

[INKster]

What will happen on November 27th ?