[Sxotty]

Originally Posted by Blazkowicz

Some of its selling points are a computer programs store, and a touchscreen keyboard

really, that's a great kind of device for reading PDFs, offline webpages and documents.
Who stores their PDFs in iTunes?
Anyway I'll wait for a device with a dual mode sunlight/indoor display before getting interested.

No doubt it sucks, but that doesn't mean people won't buy it. An acquaintance of mine brought one to a party all excited then was like "well it looks better inside" since you could not see the display for crap outside. It is funny how people line up to get fleeced. It would be possible to make a worse screen for outdoor viewing, but I don't see why they would bother when sunlight readable screens are easily obtained.

[Periander]

Originally Posted by Florin

Decent win for the boys in green, but of course none of the also-rans stand a chance of garnering anywhere near the mindshare of the actual ipad.

Asus' Android tablet to be Tegra based also:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100423PD207.html

The sources estimated that Asustek's Tegra-based Eee Pad will be priced at NT$15,000-16,000 (US$479-510) after bundling with telecom carrier services, and total shipments will reach 300,000 units in 2010.

[dkanter]

Originally Posted by Periander

Asus' Android tablet to be Tegra based also:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100423PD207.html

Funny how that price tag is higher than many netbooks...

David

[Silent_Buddha]

Yeesh, for that price I'm going to just wait for the HP take on the slim slate tablet using a full install of Win7.

Neither the iPad or Android based tablets will be useful to me. Then again, I do a lot more on my tablet devices (on my second one now) than just media.

Regards,
SB

[Davros]

found this quote about nv
"Update - Needham & Company downgrades NVIDIA (Nasdaq: NVDA) from Strong Buy to Hold.

Needham analyst says, "We are downgrading NVIDIA to a Hold and removing our 12-month price target (was $22) after a series of channel checks indicating that Fermi is not ramping well and there could be further product delays. Based on our findings, NVIDIA has very limited supply of Fermi desktop/notebook parts and yields remain poor at around 20-30%...For FY11, our ests fall to $3.9BN/$0.80 (vs. $4.05BN/$0.94). For FY12, our ests fall to $4.1BN/$1.00 (vs. $4.25BN/$1.12).""

what does the $22 represent ? share price ?

[trinibwoy]

Yep it was their estimation of where the stock price will be in 12 months. It's pretty useless in a volatile market like this where press releases and product announcements sway opinion on a weekly basis. And that's why they pulled it - cause nobody knows where Nvidia's stock price will be a year from now. There's no valuation model that works for Nvidia's currently precarious situation - best you can do is assume everything will get fucked up, like Charlie does The most accurate indicator of where people think Nvidia will end up is the options market. It's where I would go if I was a betting man.

[Erinyes]

Tegra actually has great potential, and it seems at least two upcoming tablets are using it(Microsoft Courier and Asus EE Pad, not sure abt the Dell or HP ones). They look to be considerably more powerful than the Apple A4 but the implementation is yet to be seen

The microsoft Kin phones are still using Tegra one, which i suppose is quite dated compared to the most recent 40nm designs. Apart from the Zune HD are there any other products using it?

I have another query to any of the Silicon experts, how much of a performance and/or power advantage will 28nm HKMG have over regular 40nm? And i guess this info is probably a lot harder to come by but is there a significant power and/or performance difference between TSMC and GF's 28nm processes? Thanks

Edit: Found this info about Globalfoundries 28nm http://www.globalfoundries.com/pdf/G...ldBrochure.pdf

GLOBALFOUNDRIES’ HKMG
enables full scaling from 40nm; i.e., 28nm transistors
offer up to 40% higher performance than 40nm at
comparable leakage with 50% lower energy
per switch and 50% lower static power.

Of course this is just a Press release but it gives us some indication at least

[dkanter]

Originally Posted by Erinyes

Tegra actually has great potential, and it seems at least two upcoming tablets are using it(Microsoft Courier and Asus EE Pad, not sure abt the Dell or HP ones). They look to be considerably more powerful than the Apple A4 but the implementation is yet to be seen

The microsoft Kin phones are still using Tegra one, which i suppose is quite dated compared to the most recent 40nm designs. Apart from the Zune HD are there any other products using it?

I have another query to any of the Silicon experts, how much of a performance and/or power advantage will 28nm HKMG have over regular 40nm? And i guess this info is probably a lot harder to come by but is there a significant power and/or performance difference between TSMC and GF's 28nm processes? Thanks

Edit: Found this info about Globalfoundries 28nm http://www.globalfoundries.com/pdf/G...ldBrochure.pdf



Of course this is just a Press release but it gives us some indication at least

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...109003617&p=11

DK

[3dilettante]

I'm a little curious, would there be any notable changes in how GF and TSMC compare, since the article was written when TSMC was going gate-first for 28nm?

[Erinyes]

Originally Posted by dkanter

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...109003617&p=11

DK

Thanks david, tho ive already read your article before

I wasnt sure on this but are IBM and GF's process pretty much the same? And i have the same query as 3dilettante, will that make any difference?

[dkanter]

Originally Posted by Erinyes

Thanks david, tho ive already read your article before

I wasnt sure on this but are IBM and GF's process pretty much the same? And i have the same query as 3dilettante, will that make any difference?

Gate last should mean higher pfet performance.

IBM and GF aren't exactly the same, but they will be very close. GF isn't presenting separate data at IEDM yet, but I'm hoping they will some day.

DK

[BRiT]

Nvidia cuts Tesla's performance (By Lawrence Latif)

DESIGNER OF WARM GPUS Nvidia has cut the performance of its Fermi based Tesla GPGPU aimed at the high performance computing (HPC) market.

The latest specifications detail a 18 per cent clock decrease, coupled with a previously announced 12.5 per cent cut in the number of "stream processors" from 512 to 448, and the board tipped up drawing 10 per cent more power than previous vague estimates that had been bandied about by the firm late last year.

This is perhaps not surprising given the months of delays that Nvidia has had trying to get its Fermi GPUs out the door. Regardless of who you believe, even the most fortuitous yield reports are abysmal and Nvidia's repeated attempts to rein in the power consumption of a chip that has the same thirst for power as a tinpot dictator seem to have failed, with the firm even having admitted that its Fermi GTX480 GPU chip runs hot.

[pcchen]

I thought C2050 was 1.15GHz from the start. Since M2050 has the same frequency as C2050, I don't see any "failed promises" here.

[hoom]

And Charlies' take
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/05/...s-tesla-again/
Ouch.
Thats some serious performance slippage there

[Silent_Buddha]

Originally Posted by pcchen

I thought C2050 was 1.15GHz from the start. Since M2050 has the same frequency as C2050, I don't see any "failed promises" here.

Perhaps the cut is in reference to the information Nvidia was giving out to potential Fermi based Tesla customers at the end of last year? Which would make them far less attractive to those same potential customers.

Regards,
SB

[pcchen]

This is hardly news worthy though. C2050 was already known to be 1.15GHz almost a month ago. M2050 is the same (M2050 is basically a fanless version of C2050). If they think this is a big deal, they should do that when C2050 was released.

[hoom]

Its a big deal because at NVs Evergreen spoiler 'launch' they promised 512 SP, 1.5ghz clock & 2.5ghz memory within 175W & during 2009.
They have fallen a very long way short of all of them.

[Sontin]

Originally Posted by hoom

Its a big deal because at NVs Evergreen spoiler 'launch' they promised 512 SP, 1.5ghz clock & 2.5ghz memory within 175W & during 2009.
They have fallen a very long way short of all of them.

They only promised 8x DP performance over GT200.

Yeah, i hope you don't believe this "may numbers". They came from the source who promised that cypress will faster in DX10 and DX11...

[Malo]

Originally Posted by Sontin

They only promised 8x DP performance over GT200.

Yeah, i hope you don't believe this "may numbers". They came from the source who promised that cypress will faster in DX10 and DX11...

"may numbers" ?

[CarstenS]

Originally Posted by hoom

Its a big deal because at NVs Evergreen spoiler 'launch' they promised 512 SP, 1.5ghz clock & 2.5ghz memory within 175W & during 2009.
They have fallen a very long way short of all of them.

I'd really love to see the source of this. Could you please, hoom?

[no-X]

"There will be 512 shader parts on both sides" [Tesla/GeForce] --- nVidia, supercomputing conference

nV's PR promised power consumption slightly under GTX28x levels, he also promised 2009 launch

for "8x the peak double precision floating point performance over GT200" (Fermi_Compute_Arch_Whitepaper.pdf) it is needed to achieve at least 1400 MHz on 512 SPs

no idea where the "2.5ghz memory" came from...

[Jawed]

So the key numbers to work out are: performance/watt and performance/$. What was promised and what's been delivered.

Jawed

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by no-X

no idea where the "2.5ghz memory" came from...

Probably means 1250MHz GDDR5, some places just double it to make it "more understandable for some people" (though imo it's more confusing)

[hoom]

some places just double it to make it "more understandable for some people"

places like the NV product guide...
It says 1.5ghz in the new specs & 1.8-2.0ghz in the screenshotted Nov 09 one.
I don't know where Charlie got 2.5ghz but given that the Nov specs were in other ways scaled back its likely that mem clock was too.

[Sontin]

nVidia is a very boring company. Even in Q1 they increased their revenue and profit.

-- Revenue grew 2 percent quarter-on-quarter to $1.0 billion
-- GAAP net income increased to $137.6 million, or $0.23 per diluted
share
-- GAAP gross margin improved to 45.6 percent

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....701&highlight=