[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

How many millions of those tablets have they sold?

Yes that's a valid question cause obviously your past success in a brand new market is a primary predictor of future sales.

[Florin]

Originally Posted by Tchock

Ahh, you're shopping for refurbs

Are the Airs that rare down in Jurong? I see them everywhere in the city. But worry not, maybe you could still afford a Mini and get the benefit of Nvidia

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Yes that's a valid question cause obviously your past success in a brand new market is a primary predictor of future sales.

it's a valid question because tablets outside of ipad and readers, are still very much a niche market.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

it's a valid question because tablets outside of ipad and readers, are still very much a niche market.

Ipad is going to see the same thing that is happening to the i-phone now, the i-phone is loosing ground to android phones, once people start figuring out there is nothing special about apple products they will move away from them.

Tablets are going to and actually are replacing netbooks so it a fairly large market and not a niche.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Razor1

Ipad is going to see the same thing that is happening to the i-phone now, the i-phone is loosing ground to android phones, once people start figuring out there is nothing special about apple products they will move away from them.

Tablets are going to and actually are replacing netbooks so it a fairly large market and not a niche.

Android has gained marketshare, by using a pile of different platforms to compete with iphone, no one android product is in the vicinity of the iphone.

While I agree that the tablet market will grow simply because they are pushing so many devices, it's also going to be very cutthroat and there's really no telling who if anyone is going to take significant share from Apple. I'd certainly have a hard time believing it's going to be a single platform taking a bunch of it. As any new product that is going to compete with the ipad is also going to compete with a lot of other products.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

Android has gained marketshare, by using a pile of different platforms to compete with iphone, no one android product is in the vicinity of the iphone.

While I agree that the tablet market will grow simply because they are pushing so many devices, it's also going to be very cutthroat and there's really no telling who if anyone is going to take significant share from Apple. I'd certainly have a hard time believing it's going to be a single platform taking a bunch of it. As any new product that is going to compete with the ipad is also going to compete with a lot of other products.

That is true but isn't that the same thing that happened to apple computers vs PC? Open platforms will always beat closed ones if features are similiar. And the Tegra chips are probably going to be the most performant chips for SoC platforms for some time to come. Intel, AMD don't have anything to compete with them. So far only Qualcomm can compete, but have to see how the new Snapdragon stands up.

I agree Tablets are cut throat just like netbooks, parts have to be dirt cheap, but when you have very few companies that really compete performance wise to the Tegra its a sure market, just like Tesla, in 2 or 3 years it went to make 100 million for nV and next year its going to be much more.

[eastmen]

The problem with tegra is enterprise . I would never get a tegra 2 or 3 tablet for the work place it just has no place there.

AMD's fusion and intels atoms will dominate the higher end tablets because of this .

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Razor1

I agree Tablets are cut throat just like netbooks, parts have to be dirt cheap, but when you have very few companies that really compete performance wise to the Tegra its a sure market, just like Tesla, in 2 or 3 years it went to make 100 million for nV and next year its going to be much more.

Computing performance and sales aren't exactly a direct correlation in any portable market.

[Tchock]

Originally Posted by Florin

Are the Airs that rare down in Jurong? I see them everywhere in the city. But worry not, maybe you could still afford a Mini and get the benefit of Nvidia

The airs are rather unpopular in my uni campus, the people who use macs (all in my school anyway) all get Pros; Obviously to play Left 4 Dead. Yuppies vs gamers eh.
I love my old Pro, 8600M hasn't died yet so it's all fine.

Originally Posted by eastmen

The problem with tegra is enterprise . I would never get a tegra 2 or 3 tablet for the work place it just has no place there.

AMD's fusion and intels atoms will dominate the higher end tablets because of this .

Virtualization on Android will change that if Enterprise ever decides it needs a full blown tablet rollup.
VMWare was recently shown on an LG phone I think.

[Silent_Buddha]

Originally Posted by eastmen

The problem with tegra is enterprise . I would never get a tegra 2 or 3 tablet for the work place it just has no place there.

AMD's fusion and intels atoms will dominate the higher end tablets because of this .

Even Intel's Atom is too slow for enterprise and many business and even artistic needs.

Slates are going to be similar to standard PC computing needs. There will be uses which don't require much resources (media consumption) and there will be uses that require far more (photo editing, compositing, dynamic video editing, etc.).

Regards,
SB

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

Computing performance and sales aren't exactly a direct correlation in any portable market.

They aren't so far because of power usage, Tegra has a very low power envelope though.

Originally Posted by Tchock

Virtualization on Android will change that if Enterprise ever decides it needs a full blown tablet rollup.
VMWare was recently shown on an LG phone I think.

Originally Posted by eastmen

The problem with tegra is enterprise . I would never get a tegra 2 or 3 tablet for the work place it just has no place there.

AMD's fusion and intels atoms will dominate the higher end tablets because of this .

This is all dependent on the OS and support, Windows 8 should elevate that, but again that's the future.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Razor1

They aren't so far because of power usage, Tegra has a very low power envelope though.

I think its more that they aren't because the performance is superfluous to a lot of peoples needs. (Browser, media player, e-reader, casual gaming).

/shrug its going to be very crowded market by the end of the year

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

I think its more that they aren't because the performance is superfluous to a lot of peoples needs. (Browser, media player, e-reader, casual gaming).

/shrug its going to be very crowded market by the end of the year

well that's the nice thing from what I heard anything a google phone can do (apps) the tablets can do too. I really see no need for tablets I think they are kinda useless if you have one of the newer super smart phone.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Razor1

well that's the nice thing from what I heard anything a google phone can do (apps) the tablets can do too. I really see no need for tablets I think they are kinda useless if you have one of the newer super smart phone.

The phones are too small to be a good browser or reader, the iPad is successful as basically a large ipod touch. I don't think performance alone is going to move much of that market.

[Silent_Buddha]

Originally Posted by Razor1

well that's the nice thing from what I heard anything a google phone can do (apps) the tablets can do too. I really see no need for tablets I think they are kinda useless if you have one of the newer super smart phone.

To each their own. I myself think smartphones are kind of useless, but that's only because they don't really do anything good enough for me that I would want in a mobile device. As a music player they are too large. As a web browser they are too small. As a media player they are too small. As an ebook reader, LCD/OLED sucks arse. For applications again too small and not powerful enough.

That doesn't mean I don't think other people obviously find something about them to justify their sometimes hideously high prices for what you get (IMO).

But then I don't assume that everyone in the world feels the same way about everything. So it's easy to see different needs for different people.

Regards,
SB

[Arun]

Heh, heavy myopia makes an iPhone 4's screen more than good enough for browsing and applications, imo Resolution is probably more important to me than screen size, but I understand it's the other way around for many people.

Anyway, unless you want to discuss Kal-El's support for 2560x1600 resolutions on tablets and how that somehow implies NVIDIA is delusional or pushing features for marketing reasons alone, we're getting badly off-topic here.

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

it's a valid question because tablets outside of ipad and readers, are still very much a niche market.

It's not a niche market. It's a new market with tremendous growth potential.

Given the sheer size of the smartphone/tablet/netbook market that Android addresses, you don't need to be top dog to make money. A decent slice of the pie will be enough to bring home the bacon.

I just don't understand where your predictions of Tegra's doom are coming from. All signs point to growth in these markets. The hardware, software, mainstream consumer interest and marketing dollars are all in place.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

It's not a niche market. It's a new market with tremendous growth potential.

There's a whole pile of dead technologies that fit that bill at one time.

Given the sheer size of the smartphone/tablet/netbook market that Android addresses, you don't need to be top dog to make money. A decent slice of the pie will be enough to bring home the bacon.

Sure, there's lots of room for lots of people to make money, but its not a guarantee.

I just don't understand where your predictions of Tegra's doom are coming from. All signs point to growth in these markets. The hardware, software, mainstream consumer interest and marketing dollars are all in place.

That's probably because I never predicted Tegra's doom. And there's lots of competition already in place, and more coming.

[Squilliam]

Originally Posted by Arun

Heh, heavy myopia makes an iPhone 4's screen more than good enough for browsing and applications, imo

'scuse me mr Arun... Are you saying that all those photos you have which show you look younger than reality are wrong because you have to wear big glasses to offset your myopia?

OT: Tablets are good for people who have myopia simply because of the ability to resize font on screen and for that you need a good GPU to run the interface smoothly and to scale the fonts and pictures quickly. I know this because I know someone with severe myopia and this relates to Nvidia because they are producing the tablet reference design for Android 3.0 and tablets are good for people with myopia.... So erm YEAH!!!

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

Sure, there's lots of room for lots of people to make money, but its not a guarantee.

Agreed, but past sales is an extremely poor indicator of what's to come in a market such as this.

That's probably because I never predicted Tegra's doom. And there's lots of competition already in place, and more coming.

T'is true, you didn't.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

There's a whole pile of dead technologies that fit that bill at one time.

that only happened because most of the failed technologies weren't competitive one or more areas in the marketplace, tegra doesn't have blatant flaws.

Sure, there's lots of room for lots of people to make money, but its not a guarantee.

again only if you understand why other products have failed. Why do you think Apple has been successfully?

That's probably because I never predicted Tegra's doom. And there's lots of competition already in place, and more coming.

There is only one company right now that has a chip that can compete with Tegra, Qualcomm by the time others get proper engineering teams and expertise to create a chip that will compete, it will take years.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Razor1

that only happened because most of the failed technologies weren't competitive one or more areas in the marketplace, tegra doesn't have blatant flaws.

I disagree with that assessment. Some products just don't happen to be what consumers want for one reason or another.

again only if you understand why other products have failed. Why do you think Apple has been successfully?

Apple has been successful in marketing fashionable and easy to use and they've had quite a few technical failings that they've managed to overcome. It's certainly not because of performance.

There is only one company right now that has a chip that can compete with Tegra, Qualcomm by the time others get proper engineering teams and expertise to create a chip that will compete, it will take years.

Competitive on performance or not, there will be lots of competition. And again, I think you overestimate consumers needs for performance in the tablet market. If it can playback HD it's probably fast enough for 90%+ of the target market.

[Arun]

OT: Squilliam: Err, any pic of me is probably pretty old, so that probably helps to make me look younger And it's not *that* bad thankfully, so my glasses are perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by Razor1

There is only one company right now that has a chip that can compete with Tegra, Qualcomm by the time others get proper engineering teams and expertise to create a chip that will compete, it will take years.

While Qualcomm is their biggest competitor, I would argue that Texas Instruments and ST-Ericsson are also extremely competitive. Samsung and Renesas aren't far behind either.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

I disagree with that assessment. Some products just don't happen to be what consumers want for one reason or another.

That is a product failure, they didn't understand the market.

Apple has been successful in marketing fashionable and easy to use and they've had quite a few technical failings that they've managed to overcome. It's certainly not because of performance.

up to a certain point but window phones were there before the Iphone, and they were easy to use but they failed....

Apple made something no one else had, from feature set to performance. You are selling yourself short because of "ease of use" that's a mac guy taking.

Competitive on performance or not, there will be lots of competition. And again, I think you overestimate consumers needs for performance in the tablet market. If it can playback HD it's probably fast enough for 90%+ of the target market.

You are thinking about a product that would have came out last year. Its going to be alot about performance, look at the Atrix, you get the dock for that its now a notebook. Because the OS is solid its going to have all the features that computers have so now we have a common ground Cell phone makers are going to be looking for low power SoC's that have the performance to do what low end desktop computers and notebooks can do. To say portable devices aren't going to need performance is the same thing that was said 7 years ago when gaming laptops were first introduced.

You are thinking of individual mobile platforms, nV is thinking of a general processor that will work with anything you throw at it. The best thing of all in 3 years or so when Windows 8 comes out you will have a unification of mobile devices and computers.

[Razor1]

Originally Posted by Arun

OT: Squilliam: Err, any pic of me is probably pretty old, so that probably helps to make me look younger And it's not *that* bad thankfully, so my glasses are perfectly normal.
While Qualcomm is their biggest competitor, I would argue that Texas Instruments and ST-Ericsson are also extremely competitive. Samsung and Renesas aren't far behind either.

Well TI and Ericsson are at least 6 months to year behind on a competitive chip by then you will have Tegra 3, but yeah they can compete well if they speed up their development.