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Old 15-Sep-2008, 08:09   #1
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Has anyone done Civilization Revolution yet?

There are demos available for both PS3 and X360
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Old 15-Sep-2008, 11:55   #2
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Has anyone done Civilization Revolution yet?

There are demos available for both PS3 and X360
If i remember correctly they're both 720p w/ the PS3 having no AA & the 360 having 2xAA.

I'm not positive on that though; but i think that's what it was.
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Old 15-Sep-2008, 12:56   #3
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For that I believe the PS3 had a 1080p mode.
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Old 15-Sep-2008, 17:34   #4
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Anyone know why the PS3 Civ Rev has black borders/underscan when running in 1080p mode on TV's with 1:1 pixel mapping?
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Old 15-Sep-2008, 21:01   #5
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Anyone know why the PS3 Civ Rev has black borders/underscan when running in 1080p mode on TV's with 1:1 pixel mapping?
How large are the borders? Perhaps for 1080p mode, they decided to render to a 960x1080 buffer, but leave the top and bottom 60 rows of pixels unused, and let the hardware scaler do the horizontal scaling. In other words, render to a 960x960 view window in a 960x1080 buffer, and the hardware horizontally scales that out to 1920x1080. That would keep the pixel shader load the same as 1280x720p mode since (1280x720) == (960x960)...but result in black borders at the top and bottom.
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Old 16-Sep-2008, 01:20   #6
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How large are the borders? Perhaps for 1080p mode, they decided to render to a 960x1080 buffer, but leave the top and bottom 60 rows of pixels unused, and let the hardware scaler do the horizontal scaling. In other words, render to a 960x960 view window in a 960x1080 buffer, and the hardware horizontally scales that out to 1920x1080. That would keep the pixel shader load the same as 1280x720p mode since (1280x720) == (960x960)...but result in black borders at the top and bottom.

fairly large, and on all four sides.
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Old 16-Sep-2008, 15:43   #7
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Anyone know why the PS3 Civ Rev has black borders/underscan when running in 1080p mode on TV's with 1:1 pixel mapping?
Those are normal black borders left for overscan, IMO
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Old 16-Sep-2008, 16:04   #8
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Those are normal black borders left for overscan, IMO
Well questions remain... Did the developer choose to render a limited view window within the output buffer? Did the developer render normally and manually reduced the view window (ala Army of Two on PS3)?
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Old 16-Sep-2008, 22:14   #9
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Those are normal black borders left for overscan, IMO
I'm obviously just a dumb noob but...why do I see the black borders on this game on PS3 running in 1080p, but not other games running in 1080p, with the TV set in 1:1 pixel mapping?
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Old 16-Sep-2008, 22:30   #10
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I'm obviously just a dumb noob but...why do I see the black borders on this game on PS3 running in 1080p, but not other games running in 1080p, with the TV set in 1:1 pixel mapping?
Some developers choose to account for overscan, most do not.
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Old 17-Sep-2008, 05:49   #11
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Some developers choose to account for overscan, most do not.
In situations such as this, with Civilization: Revolution, developers really should allow for manual adjustment of overscan, like MGS4 and MLB 08: The Show do.

But then again, the extra mandatory borders might just be an attempt to compensate a bit for the performance loss incurred when doing software scaling on the PS3.
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Old 17-Sep-2008, 01:26   #13
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not going to attempt resolution (although i think its at least 720p) but looks like theres no AA. looks great, though... lots of detail and great art direction.
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 13:28   #14
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this images (screenshots?) are 1920x1080 no AA
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 14:52   #15
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this images (screenshots?) are 1920x1080 no AA

Those images look pretty good - considering there’s no anti-aliasing.
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 15:08   #16
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Those images look pretty good - considering there’s no anti-aliasing.
1080p will do that
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Old 19-Sep-2008, 20:12   #17
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Those images look pretty good - considering there’s no anti-aliasing.
those images (Yakuza) are 1920x1080 but i don't know if it's true ingame screenshot, i really doubt...
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Old 19-Sep-2008, 03:25   #19
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Are these realtime???
must be real bad cg for the jaggies for today standard
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 14:00   #20
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Icon Question Quaz51,can you come in and take a look
HI
You said MGS4 is a 1024X768 game in here


but, why my PS3 put out the MGS4 pic is the 1024X576 ???
I know 1024X576 will resize to 1280X720 on TV so we have seen


some guy ignore my pic,said that is wrong because he said you "100% right"


could you tell me the thue? thank you!
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 14:21   #21
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It's because the screens made in MGS4 with the camera are automatically downsized to various sizes, the largest (yet still downsized) beeing 1024 x 576.

You'll have to wait for the new PS3 firmware screenshot feature for true internal resolution screens.
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 14:50   #22
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you mean,the camera in MGS4 not have the full view ? so 1024X576 not have the low part of the game? but i serch some pic on net,the pic have the HUD,THE HUD(your heath ,weapon.....)
is in the lowest part of screen. these pic is 1024X576 and still have the hud.

another thing. if MGS4 is a 1024X768 GAME . why ? the HD TV is16:9 . why Develop the game in 4:3 ???
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 15:40   #23
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you mean,the camera in MGS4 not have the full view ? so 1024X576 not have the low part of the game? but i serch some pic on net,the pic have the HUD,THE HUD(your heath ,weapon.....)
is in the lowest part of screen. these pic is 1024X576 and still have the hud.
The screen isn't chopped to fit, but shrunk. It's a bit like a PC game being rendered at a lower resolution.
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 17:56   #24
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You said MGS4 is a 1024X768 game in here


but, why my PS3 put out the MGS4 pic is the 1024X576 ???
I know 1024X576 will resize to 1280X720 on TV so we have seen


some guy ignore my pic,said that is wrong because he said you "100% right"


could you tell me the thue? thank you!
MGS4 photo mode is 1024x768 downscaled in 1024x576
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Old 18-Sep-2008, 21:59   #25
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MGS4 photo mode is 1024x768 downscaled in 1024x576
Quaz51, any info about the resolution of the PS3 version of Bioshock? Thanks
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