Neverending Upscaling/Resolutions/AA etc Thread #3 (Rules Post #1!)

[ConayR]

Originally Posted by Quaz51

apparently 1280x720

Are you sure? Horizontal resolution seems to be 1152 (9 steps within 10 pixels).

[Quaz51]

Originally Posted by ConayR

Horizontal resolution seems to be 1152 (9 steps within 10 pixels).

not for me, the first is clearly 720p screenshots (but maybe X360 screenshots)

[ConayR]

I'm not arguing against vertical resolution. I'm arguing about horizontal one:

Unless (once again) I'm counting it wrong.

[Quaz51]

Originally Posted by ConayR

I'm not arguing against vertical resolution. I'm arguing about horizontal one:

Unless (once again) I'm counting it wrong.

yes your counting is wrong

and globally it's not just counting, it's also make good choice of beginning and end step or look the aparence and evolution of step. for exemple a half transparent/blurry step is like a 1/2 step
if you count 1 step per pixel but the step evolution aspect is successively little more pale/transparent (not just punctuel but evolving) it indicate an upscaling. if you start on a perfect opaque step and finish on a tenth step half transparent, it's not 10 step counting but 10.5 step, it's an indication but the best is to start and finish counting on a step with the same opaque/trasparent/blurry aparence, not compulsorily perfectly sharp steps but at least perfectly similar aspect step
in all case it's necessary to judge the apparence of step, not just counting

but in this case no difficulty, just wrong counting
all steps are the same ratio of blurry aspect with no evolution and 1 pixel par step, it's 1280, not useful to count

[Shifty Geezer]

Originally Posted by Quaz51

all steps are the same ratio of blurry aspect with no evolution and 1 pixel par step, it's 1280, not useful to count

So a blur filter is in effect.

[zarbaj]

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6564_en.html

they are from the ps3 build it seems.

[FirewalkR]

Originally Posted by zarbaj

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6564_en.html

they are from the ps3 build it seems.

Well, they sent the pictures along with the press release.

Maybe Quaz can check the gamersyde pictures, they're much less compressed.

Edit:

Also, images and trailer of Beyond Good & Evil 2 here http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6556_en.html. The pictures are in 1080p but seems like, perhaps, photo mode of in-game engine.

Trailer is awesome.

[catisfit]

Originally Posted by ConayR

I'm not arguing against vertical resolution. I'm arguing about horizontal one:

Unless (once again) I'm counting it wrong.

If you take the step which is half off the top of your image as the first step (step 0), then you can count 10 steps where the 10th step is the one half off the bottom of the image.

Therefore your two red lines correspond with the the start step (step 0) and the 10th step away from it (step 10) exactly.

So count the pixels from step 0 (but not including it) to step 10 (including it), which in that image you'll find is 10 pixels. (The same as your yellow checker, but I count it with one less pixel on the left and one more on the right - it doesn't really matter as long as you include one end and not the other in this method).

So 10 steps in 10 pixels is 1:1. Hope that helps.

[ConayR]

Yeah, you're right although I think it's easier to understand it by moving the left red line one pixel right (which leads to 9:9). At least it is easier to me as it seems you count edges where I find it easier to count corners. So it's harder for me to visualize level 0. It's the exact opposite mistake to the one I did in the past where I counted pixels properly, but I counted one step more in. There are at least two more classes of mistakes I can make in the future, so stay tuned!

Thanks guys.

[Juan Panson]

any word on the home screens?

[Quaz51]

Originally Posted by Juan Panson

any word on the home screens?

1280x720 AAx2 with quincunx

[grandmaster]

Interesting as the early Home beta I saw last year was definitely 1080p with no AA.

[Quaz51]

Originally Posted by grandmaster

Interesting as the early Home beta I saw last year was definitely 1080p with no AA.

home beta in 1080p? i doubt but it's interesting

["Nerve-Damage"]

Originally Posted by grandmaster

Interesting as the early Home beta I saw last year was definitely 1080p with no AA.

Originally Posted by Quaz51

home beta in 1080p? i doubt but it's interesting

Which version of Home would be more taxing on the PS3 system, 1080p/-AA or 720p/2AA/Q?

[Shifty Geezer]

1080p. You have far more pixels to shade. This is why 720p games are common, and 1080p games aren't

[Arwin]

I played a retail version of the PS3 version of GRID in a store today, and it looked a lot smoother than the demo BUT it also looked fishy. It could be the TV (which wasn't very good quality I think), but it reminded me more of an upscaled game than any kind of (lack of) AA I could think of. There was also dithering going on though, so that speaks against it. I think that's the typical 'other' way of dealing with transparancy that we see alternating on 360 and PS3. Hope that someone can check out the game with proper screenshots soon.

[Jesus2006]

More FarCry 2 shots. Any hints?

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2008-gamefront/3809.html

[Shifty Geezer]

Originally Posted by Arwin

There was also dithering going on though.

The dithering is present in theextra rendered features of the PS3 version, the self-shadowing and also in some reflective surfaces (cars). Revisit these PS3 and XB360 pics. Zoom in on the left tail and you'll see a huge degree of dithering on the PS3 version. And in the extra shadowing under the balcony on the right. This dithering remains a mystery!

Originally Posted by Jesus2006

More FarCry 2 shots. Any hints?
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2008-gamefront/3809.html

I don't have mertrics but it looks significantly upscaled. That jungle burning screeny wasn't an ideal test case! But a glance at the stepping around the flamer's gauge and the cycles of intensity within the secondary edge show...hang on! That's a 1920x1200 pic! We need native res pics for analysis, right? Sheesh!

["Nerve-Damage"]

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

1080p. You have far more pixels to shade. This is why 720p games are common, and 1080p games aren't

Well I knew that...lol

What I was getting at; was the added fact of having 2xAA with quincunx at 720p. It would seem "to me" that those added IQ settings would be more taxing than 1080p/-AA on the PS3. But yes, 1080p does has far more pixels.....

[MJP]

Originally Posted by "Nerve-Damage"

Well I knew that...lol

What i was getting at was the added fact of having 2xAA with quincunx at 720p. It would seem "to me" that those added IQ settings would be more taxing than 1080p/-AA on the PS3. But yes, 1080p does has far more pixels.....

1080p has the added costs of memory usage, bandwidth, and running the pixel shader more times. 720p with 2x Quincunx has only the first two costs, and not the third (unless you're doing any sort of deferred techniques that require access to pixel sub-samples).

["Nerve-Damage"]

Originally Posted by MJP

1080p has the added costs of memory usage, bandwidth, and running the pixel shader more times. 720p with 2x Quincunx has only the first two costs, and not the third (unless you're doing any sort of deferred techniques that require access to pixel sub-samples).

Thanks!

[thambos]

Originally Posted by Josh

Does anyone know the resolution of Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit?

Or Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm? At least with the Naruto game, the newest screenshots seem to display more aliasing than the older ones...

I haven't run across any lossless shots of the PS3 Naruto game.

Though I did run across some PNG shots of the Dragon Ball Z Burst Limit game. I was trying to figure out the resolution myself; but I wouldn't trust my judgment, my eyes aren't that sharp.

Here they are, if anybody wants to give it a shot.

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yoda-dip-jp/se...e%20Compare%5d
http://www.google.com/language_tools
http://babelfish.yahoo.com

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[Shifty Geezer]

Dragon Ball Z Burst Limit looks like 720p 0xAA and slight blur to me.

[Blade47167]

What I've played of the demo it seems the blur is mainly at distance and during cutscenes/fight opening. Looks pretty sharp when your fighters are up close throwing punches.

[Shifty Geezer]

By blur, I mean more 'soft focus'. There's a half-pixel overrun of the edges, at least in that screenshot linked to. The contrast still looks sharp.