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Artist formely known as Vysez
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Paris, France
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News post from Bizarre's community website:
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With that said, this news made one person really sad already. And that's Rys, he's a PGR fan person and the news of no more PGR didn't go well with him. Of course, him and other PGR fans shouldn't worry too much, they'll get their arcade racing fix from Bizarre Creation, it will just bear another name. Well, unless MS sells the IP to Activision, and if Activision is willing to drop the big bucks for it... Which is highly unlikely at this point. On the PGR topic still, I wonder whether MS will put the IP to sleep for while, or if they'll farm it to an internal (Turn 10? Rare? It's been a while since Rare worked on an arcade racer for an home console) or extrenal studio right away.
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Activision,
Please buy F1 license and let Bizarre create the game. I want F1 '97 in 2008/9.
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Naughty Boy!
Join Date: Jul 2005
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UGH!
MS should have listened to their own ad campaign and "finished the fight" by buying this studio. They have helped put MS on the map with some crucial titles on a timely basis. Fools.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Naughty Boy!
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MS screwed up - yet again. Another franchise that is worthless now. Rallysport - done Mech - done PGR - done
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Why is it the end of the PGR series?
Microsoft could simply contract Activision on PGR5. I think it will be good for the franchise to have a bigger break between installments. It will prevent oversaturation and keep it fresh.
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Naughty Boy!
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The series is dead.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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To be fair, Rallysport was never in the same league as PGR. Things might be different.
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Naughty Boy!
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MS just shot themselves in the foot on this one. They leaned heavy on these guys for launch titles on both xb1 and xb2. Why they didn't secure this relationship for future gens is beyond me, unless they aren't planning on needing help at launch ... but how many console makers do you know that can't use help with cutting edge software at their launches? None that I'm aware of. Perhaps this is a sign MS isn't planning to have a xb720 ... either that or they're idiots.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Bizarre would be a much better buy than Turn10. Bad move MS!
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Naughty Boy!
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Sometimes, I wonder how good they could be ... if they didn't screw up so badly.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Artist formely known as Vysez
Join Date: Mar 2004
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A new PGR game would be either the result of MS getting another studio on the project (pun intended) or MS selling the IP to Activision (or any other publisher, but then it would still not be developed by Bizarre, so we would be back to square one.) Recent EA's successes with the Need For Speed series didn't pass unoticed by Activision. In fact, Activision portfolio could use both a big racing franchise, which Bizarre can bring to them, but also more original IPs, period. And here again, I think Bizarre can help with that, as well.
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Naughty Boy!
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No doubt that they were behind this mess!
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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A mult platform racing IP has more financial potential but developing a new PGR allows unfettered access to code and art work owned by MS, which means easier development and shorter development time since the dev already has intimate knowledge of the IP. Plus, PGR comes with a built in fanbase, something you have to build with a new IP, which means PGR success doesn't guarantee success of any new brand racer from Bizarre. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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It's interesting the different approaches to software between MS and Sony. Sony would have bought up Bizarre, just as they have done Evolution. They're really collecting dev houses to secure content. MS are in a stronger position to secure software houses yet are much happier to leave it to 3rd parties.
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I don't understand the logic - if there is any. Surely it's a good thing more people get to play good games yes? Peace.
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MS owns the IP to PGR so it means that unless MS sell's the IP to Activision it would never show up as a multi-port.
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I guess MS figures that its cheaper to retain the IP and contract news devs if old ones become inaccessible. Buying up devs means you responsible for their cost whether or not they produce good software that sells or crappy software that bombs. |
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It seems being "under Sony's wing" really is beneficial to dev houses. Take Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Evolution Studios until recently, all operating on their own essentially, Sony are hardly knocking down doors to buy any of them, yet the treatment they get from Sony seems to have these devs locked down. There is more to it than simply throwing money around in my opinion. The fact they felt the need to mention Activision are "hands off" might be significant... Quote:
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Naughty Boy!
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Sony, unlike MS, understands the impact that quality developers can make on a platform.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Naughty Boy!
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The best of the best sell a lot of software and are valuable for a reason. It has very little to do with the IP.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Naught Dog is a Sony's studio, it's not external.
No more PGR made by Bizarre is a huge loss for me as a gamer as it's my favourite racing franchise and probably a big loss for Microsoft, too. Though I think if they didn't want to acquire BC themselves it's better for MS this way. Microsoft has been far better signing contracts for exclusive games with independent developers and 3rd party publishers rather than acquiring developers (FASA, Rare), which were huge investments but their games didn't sell all that well. |
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Naughty Boy!
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Maybe they should have just had the company "move in" like Ninja Theory did, then maybe they would be a bit more comfortable that the team had everything under control. Regarding the transition of the title, they would probably go back to MSR unless Sega owns it, but like I said, it's dead to me until proven otherwise.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Naughty Boy!
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Perhaps MS feels they have bigger fish to fry and are eying a few other devs? I think a big one, if for nothing else other than engine, tool and tech support, would be Epic. Regardless, this is huge loss for MS.
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"...the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games." "I don't think we're arrogant" ...it seems laughable, laughable I tell you, that early 2012 technology that is under the 2005 budgets for the consoles cannot fit into a next gen box. - Acert93 |
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Artist formely known as Vysez
Join Date: Mar 2004
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While I understand where you're coming from and I also concede that it's an interesting and fair theory. I'll also admit that I don't believe it's a probable scenario at all. Activision is too big of a company to be interested in these type of limited in scale and scope deals. They're currently giving EA a rough time for the number one third-party publishers spot in the U.S. This purchase is clearly strategical for Activision, they want to expand their reach on new segments of the market and they want to increase their portfolio (where they're clearly lagging behind EA.) Now, and that should be evidence enough the wording and claims made in these official announcements are quite clear in their message: "Well, we're no longer tied to just one platform for starters. Our future titles can be on whatever we please - we are a truly multiplatform studio now." And the claim that makes it obvious Activision wants its racing franchise: "Both of our two main game teams are about to start work on two new AAA titles for Activision. One will be a racing game." Now concerning the re-using the code they worked on for PGR. While it's true the final code probably belong to MS, the technology itself can't be reasonably tied to MS. And even if it was, it would be hard to prove they're re-using part of it. And I'm not sure MS would want to have recourse to legal threat with Activision. It would be bad business, not to mention that MS was surely (well, factually) aware of the sale of the studio. Now, for the art, here again, MS might own the game implementation of that artwork, the source files (Giga Bytes of city picture data) might be the property of Bizarre, depending of their contractual obligations with MS. And if it's not, MS either took back their assets and Activision would have to fund creation assests (standard process for a big budget title and in this case, assets would be re-useable many years and for many games on many platforms), or MS took a copy of it (or nothing at all... It wouldn't be the first time MS doesn't ask for their (legally owned) artwork/code back) and left Bizarre with it. Here again, there's no reasons to think MS would want to part in an inimical way with Bizarre. Anyway, concerning the question about who owns the source assets accumulated by Bizarre over the years can be answered by the dev team folks we have on the board. So, if one of the guys know that anwser, feel free to PM me.
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