[D3B]

Originally Posted by Silent

I find it crazy that when a game on the PS3 has some advantages (even in this case it seems to very minor) over the 360 it is like that the sky is falling down and now all those review are biased. It something I've been witnessing on different fora since the release went up on ign.

Sometimes I have the feeling that allot of people where expecting to see a big difference between versions (in favour of the 360) and now that it isn't not the case they are for some strange reason upset.

And come on, the game (regardless of version) seems to be a jewel.

Probably because 360 was the lead console.

[Rangers]

Originally Posted by Silent

I find it crazy that when a game on the PS3 has some advantages (even in this case it seems to very minor) over the 360 it is like that the sky is falling down and now all those review are biased. It something I've been witnessing on different fora since the release went up on ign.

Sometimes I have the feeling that allot of people where expecting to see a big difference between versions (in favour of the 360) and now that it isn't not the case they are for some strange reason upset.

And come on, the game (regardless of version) seems to be a jewel.

My perception is PS3 owners aren't used to "winning one" and, since they now have something to trumpet, are really driving this issue at forums across the internet into heated battle. The GAF thread is a good indication.

Whats amazing either way is that system wars talk almost seems to overshadow the game itself talk even though most agree there isn't much difference in the versions.

[-tkf-]

Originally Posted by Rangers

My perception is PS3 owners aren't used to "winning one" and, since they now have something to trumpet, are really driving this issue at forums across the internet into heated battle. The GAF thread is a good indication.

Whats amazing either way is that system wars talk almost seems to overshadow the game itself talk even though most agree there isn't much difference in the versions.

Or the PS3 owners have been given the shaft until now? This is a game that plays to the strengths of the PS3 and since the developer didn´t get "lazy" they took advantage of them, maybe an exclusive PS3 deal would have made it even better on the PS3?. Perfect for everybody, except those that need the 360 to always "win".

[Rangers]

Originally Posted by deepbrown

IGN head to head

http://www.rockstarwatch.net/news/46...e-PS3-and-360/

PS3 gets nod in AA, better load times, less pop-up, better controls for driving(possibly preference, though the guy comparing played the game on 360 first, and then went to PS3 and still found it better there) and Sixaxis controls. 360 gets more vibrant colours (just calibrate your TV), better lock-on in shooting and DLC.

They dont mention pop up in that vid.

And its worth noting they deem the versions so near-identical that their final recommendation on which version to get is to get whichever one your friends have for multiplayer. Which seems to kind of be ignoring the DLC on 360 elephant in the room imo.

[Rangers]

Originally Posted by -tkf-

Or the PS3 owners have been given the shaft until now? This is a game that plays to the strengths of the PS3 and since the developer didn´t get "lazy" they took advantage of them, maybe an exclusive PS3 deal would have made it even better on the PS3?. Perfect for everybody, except those that need the 360 to always "win".

Well again, since there isn't much differece, why so much fighting about it?

It seems to me it's PS3 owners grabbing it and "Aha..you suxxor 360!" that is simply driving things. Not on B3d since we're fairly free of that.

Whichever version "won" there would have been a fair amount of that. Probably less if 360 won since that seems to be more the norm everybody is used to.

[DJ12]

Really?

Seems to me the only one concerned about the reviewers claiming the PS3 version is better was liolio.

However, I have to disagree with you when you say whichever version that won would've had the same effect on this board because it simply isn't true. Look at all the games that are better on 360 and it's accepted by and large by PS3 owners, two BIG games (Burnout and GTA) are better on PS3 (however big the gap is) and it's like the World has ended for some people. How is it possible the PS3 version is better.

For example better AA is always one major reason for owner a 360 game over PS3, now the boot is on the other foot so to speak it's a minor difference.

[inefficient]

I think it's pretty likely the DLC project is going to be farmed out/outsourced to a different dev studio.

The risk is too high for the main dev team to be working on DLC versus working on a new game. It would be the financially smart thing to do. Getting another "real" GTA game out has to be very high on Rockstar/T2's priority list right now if they want to maintain their share price and stave off take over from EA.

News of DLC does not excite investors. In this situation, it's money already in the books. News of another GTA4 game in < 2 years will keep investors interested.

[I.S.T.]

GTA4 got frigging leaked. *Insert that banging head against a brick wall smile*

I hate pirates.

[pjbliverpool]

Originally Posted by deepbrown

IGN head to head

http://www.rockstarwatch.net/news/46...e-PS3-and-360/

PS3 gets nod in AA, better load times, less pop-up, better controls for driving(possibly preference, though the guy comparing played the game on 360 first, and then went to PS3 and still found it better there) and Sixaxis controls. 360 gets more vibrant colours (just calibrate your TV), better lock-on in shooting and DLC.

AA, better load times and less pop-up are all pretty big deals IMO. I'm especially suprised about the AA given what we know - or at least what we think we know about both the GPU's.

Controls however is completely subjective and no matter what a reviewer says, I know the 360 controls will be better for me simply because its a better controller (IMO of course).

Also more vibrant colours is a pretty stupid "advantage" since as you say, that can be changes in your TV configuration and isn't necessarily a better thing anyway. e.g. would GT5 look better with more vibrant colours?

DLC is a complete non issue for me as well since I would never spend money on it. Hell, even if its free I probably wouldn't bother to spend the time downloading it unless it was something pretty special. Whats the point when there is already so much content in the game that i'm unlikely to complete?

Based on what i've heard so far it seems like the PS3 version has a slight edge which is a bit of a bummer for me since I have a 360 . Even worse, my mate has a PS3 and is intending to get this game for it and I just know he'll lord it over me if he reads the PS3 version is better.

Hence i'm going to wait for the PC version so I can lord it over everyone . All I have to do now is convince myself (and my mate) that waiting for an even better version is the way to go!!

[liolio]

Originally Posted by DJ12

Really?

Seems to me the only one concerned about the reviewers claiming the PS3 version is better was liolio.

However, I have to disagree with you when you say whichever version that won would've had the same effect on this board because it simply isn't true. Look at all the games that are better on 360 and it's accepted by and large by PS3 owners, two BIG games (Burnout and GTA) are better on PS3 (however big the gap is) and it's like the World has ended for some people. How is it possible the PS3 version is better.

For example better AA is always one major reason for owner a 360 game over PS3, now the boot is on the other foot so to speak it's a minor difference.

How ot say this gently, I'm getting slightly peaced off yours comments.
Given press and internet press record lately I stated that reviews have to taken with a grain of salt...
I 'm still waiting from users comments here even if at this point it's more or less clear that the ps3 is on top.
Happy now? I hope because I could start to think that you would in fact have enjoyed a web explosion in regard to burnout and GTA IV.

And there is really few screenshots of the ps3 rendition (getting better every hour) and this did help in this regard.

but if you want to use me as example on a one man crusade, I disagree...
So please stop
My one man crusade is for sub HD rendering... and I'm really alone on this front
(in regard to reactions in older threads)

[Scott_Arm]

What I don't understand is when people get personally insulted if they find out their favourite game console has a slightly "inferior" version of the game. I also don't understand why other people get so smarmy when they find out their favourite console has gotten something slightly "better." I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread, it's just a general comment about the heated internet flame war over this game.

The way I'm interpreting things, from what I've read, the versions of the game are so close that if you put a person in a room watching the game being played on a display, but they couldn't see the console or controller, they might not be able to tell which version they're looking at. Hardly anything to fight over. If you like GTA, there's absolutely zero reason to pass this one up for either system.

I should get a chance on day 1 to see the game running on both systems, but I'm not expecting any glaring differences.

[Ons::lob::]

I like to lurk on this forum alot because I can usually get info and opinions about a game and it's free of all the fanboy/system wars comparisons that plague other forums.. for the last 3-4 pages though this thread has gone from talking about the game itself to talking about the consoles running the game.

Can we get a moderator in here to clean this up? I would rather much read about the game and talks about it's graphics engine/characters/story etc than see you guys arguing about which console the game is better for when all the reviewers plainly say "flip a coin the experience is the same".....there's alot of new info out there guys. Lets start talking about the game again.

[deepbrown]

Originally Posted by Scott_Arm

What I don't understand is when people get personally insulted if they find out their favourite game console has a slightly "inferior" version of the game. I also don't understand why other people get so smarmy when they find out their favourite console has gotten something slightly "better." I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread, it's just a general comment about the heated internet flame war over this game.

The way I'm interpreting things, from what I've read, the versions of the game are so close that if you put a person in a room watching the game being played on a display, but they couldn't see the console or controller, they might not be able to tell which version they're looking at. Hardly anything to fight over. If you like GTA, there's absolutely zero reason to pass this one up for either system.

I should get a chance on day 1 to see the game running on both systems, but I'm not expecting any glaring differences.

Aye...and if they did see a difference, it's most probably because each TV is calibrated differently

[Mintmaster]

Originally Posted by DJ12

However, I have to disagree with you when you say whichever version that won would've had the same effect on this board because it simply isn't true. Look at all the games that are better on 360 and it's accepted by and large by PS3 owners, two BIG games (Burnout and GTA) are better on PS3 (however big the gap is) and it's like the World has ended for some people. How is it possible the PS3 version is better.

I don't know which boards you're reading, but IMO the prevailing opinion is that the PS3 is better. Few people are of the opinion that many games are better on the 360.

This is one of the advantages that Sony gets from its branding and mindshare. If a game looks worse on PS3 it's lazy devs or a poor port or an abberation. If it looks better on PS3 it's because the PS3 is superior. If a good game is exclusive to the PS3 (GT5, Uncharted), it could only be done on the PS3.

This GTA discussion about differences between platforms is 10x more noisy than for any other game so far. Even the double framerate of EA games didn't get remotely as much discussion as the slight differences here.

[Vic]

Originally Posted by inefficient

I think it's pretty likely the DLC project is going to be farmed out/outsourced to a different dev studio.

The risk is too high for the main dev team to be working on DLC versus working on a new game. It would be the financially smart thing to do. Getting another "real" GTA game out has to be very high on Rockstar/T2's priority list right now if they want to maintain their share price and stave off take over from EA.

News of DLC does not excite investors. In this situation, it's money already in the books. News of another GTA4 game in < 2 years will keep investors interested.

I've heard rumours that GTA4 is the last in the series?

Obviously Rock is a multi-faceted studio, though we know they are working on LA Noire and Red Dead Revolver.

Then again,I guess if GTA4 sells 10m+, that could change things!

[DJ12]

So, 16 pages of discussion for EA Sports titles last year is not much discussion then

There is very little discussion about the differences in this thread, it's been mainly about the game until the last couple of pages.

I don't know why you would think otherwise to be honest. Anyway, it's not important as is being made out by this thread.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by DJ12

It will be interesting to see what Quaz51 says about the AA then.

Seems pretty clear though, the PS3 version is the best version to buy, the only reason to get the 360 version (if you have a PS3 and 360) is the DLC.

Although stella sales of the PS3 version will likely mean DLC for the PS3 also, just different DLC than the 360 gets.

I thought about this long and hard 'cause I have both. The difference are virtually nil to my eyes. But the DLC is big, but the biggest factor is far more of my friends have 360s than PS3s, and I much prefer XBL to PSN...

So, 360 it is.

[DJ12]

How can it be a big deal when you have no idea what it is going to be?

Intriguing maybe, but definitely not a big deal. Best I've heard about it is that each one might add 10 hours of gameplay to the game.

[pjbliverpool]

I don't see why everyone is so suprised at peoples bias towards a specific platform. For many people (even casuals), a console is like a football team. You don't just own it but you support it and you want it to beat the other team.

I don't even think its necessarily a bad thing as long as the discussion stays reasonable and intelligent. As my analogy suggests its a perfectly normal part of life in the sports world and isn't considered bad there. Its probably just a human nature thing. Besides geeks tend to like sports less than joe average so they gotta have something to get behind, right?

GTA4 just happens to be the world cup of console clashes, hence all the attention its getting.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by DJ12

How can it be a big deal when you have no idea what it is going to be?

Intriguing maybe, but definitely not a big deal. Best I've heard about it is that each one might add 10 hours of gameplay to the game.

Because I like the concept. I enjoyed the Oblivion DLC for instance. And Forza 2 DLC.

I just see the technical differences between the two as an effective wash. So then it comes down to the intangibles: Which one is on the better multiplayer network? Which one will my friends be playing? Which one has guaranteed additional content coming? A pretty easy decision, really.

[Mintmaster]

Originally Posted by DJ12

So, 16 pages of discussion for EA Sports titles last year is not much discussion then

On this forum, sure, but elsewhere?

I repeat: Very few people think many games run better on 360. Whether you look at articles or forums, the rationale you always see is "poor optimization" when it's worse on PS3, and "superior hardware" when it's better.

[Galduta]

http://www.mediafire.com/?kdkmditng1i

HD video of 360 - 35 mb - . This looks worse than the video of Gametrailers- more blurry , perphas Gametrailers is using a sharpen filter in the videos ?

[Shifty Geezer]

Okay, I'm zipping this thread up as an unwieldy mess. For discussion on the actual game, not the platforms it's running on, feel free to create a new GTA thread, and I'll make sure unwanted talk doesn't pollute it. IMO the comparison talk has been done now and doesn't warrant any further talk; all that's been coming up over the past pages is fanboy warisms. If anyone wants to consider the technical differences between platforms and possible hardware reasons, not that I think that's possible with such tiddly differences, there's a technology forum to post in, but you'd better stay technical and not gripe about who's a fan of what platform they are and how the internet is entirely prejudiced - those aren't topics for any of the Embedded 3D forums.