[BRiT]

Originally Posted by epicstruggle

Invest for the long term. You could also dollar cost average your stock purchase. Get $500 in amd stock now and it should average to $9.9/share. Or put $1000 and it averages down to $8.6/share.

That's assuming the stock prices won't continue to fall ... ala SCOX.

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by BRiT

That's assuming the stock prices won't continue to fall ... ala SCOX.

I dont see amd going down too much longer. At some point the pieces would be more valuable than the whole. A fund of some sort would buy it just to break it up and sell the pieces. I think we are very close to that point.

[Fox5]

Originally Posted by epicstruggle

I dont see amd going down too much longer. At some point the pieces would be more valuable than the whole. A fund of some sort would buy it just to break it up and sell the pieces. I think we are very close to that point.

Except AMD competes in the high tech silicon market, a market where being 2nd place means you're worthless and a single provider can scale to cover the entire market. I'd say AMD's engineers are about the only real value the company has right now.

[AlexV]

Originally Posted by Fox5

Except AMD competes in the high tech silicon market, a market where being 2nd place means you're worthless and a single provider can scale to cover the entire market. I'd say AMD's engineers are about the only real value the company has right now.

Fabs are worth a lot. They're not cheap to make or equip by any stretch of imagination. AMDs are fairly advanced and would be interesting in themselves, and certainly not very cheap. I don't think AMD will die as in disappear. Hector and the gang might go away and ownership might change, but they'll still be around, same name, new masters, new management team, possibly new focus.

[3dilettante]

For those investing for the long-term, Phil Hester has done one of the following things:
1) confirmed many month's worth of rumors
2) misspoke
3) was misquoted
in this blog entry.

http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/takah...s-phil-hester/

Specifically, it's the part where he states that AMD is "on schedule" for the introduction of 45nm products in 2009.

That's right, not the fuzzy 2H 08, just a solid year running with its uninspiring process and uninspiring design.
I'm also running across rumors that the B3 stepping has failed to fix the TLB bug, so it's possibly a full 6 months of a buggy version of an uninspired design.

I really don't know where the break-even part of their previous conference call is going to come from.
AMD is managing to underpromise and still underdeliver.

[MTd2]

With these new Wolfdales, we can conclude that CPU business is dead for AMD. At least we can have some hope with the graphics line. Maybe nice stuff is coming.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by MTd2

With these new Wolfdales, we can conclude that CPU business is dead for AMD.

Yet OEM's are picking up the new CPU's.

[Freak'n Big Panda]

AMD CPUs can still sell just at lower price points and they wont be able to compete with intel on a performance basis for at least a year if not more. But AMD has been in this situation before, remember the k6-2 days? Intels chips were faster and yet OEMs still bought k6-2s so it's not like they wont be able to move the chips if the price is low enough.

[Fox5]

Originally Posted by Freak'n Big Panda

AMD CPUs can still sell just at lower price points and they wont be able to compete with intel on a performance basis for at least a year if not more. But AMD has been in this situation before, remember the k6-2 days? Intels chips were faster and yet OEMs still bought k6-2s so it's not like they wont be able to move the chips if the price is low enough.

AMD was a big loser then and only managed to pull through thanks to buying an innovative design team and a BIG loan from Germany. They don't have anything like that now, ATI was their big future gamble and that doesn't look like it's going to pay off.

[OpenGL guy]

Originally Posted by Fox5

AMD was a big loser then and only managed to pull through thanks to buying an innovative design team and a BIG loan from Germany. They don't have anything like that now, ATI was their big future gamble and that doesn't look like it's going to pay off.

Yeah, it's not like ATI is selling video cards or anything...

[Geeforcer]

Originally Posted by OpenGL guy

Yeah, it's not like ATI is selling video cards or anything...

What is the net profit at graphics division since the merger was complete? How much money did you make for AMD?

[OpenGL guy]

Originally Posted by Geeforcer

What is the net profit at graphics division since the merger was complete? How much money did you make for AMD?

Read the quarterly results and see for yourself.

[Geeforcer]

Q3: graphics lost $3 million and consumer electronics lost $3 million. $76 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

Q2: graphics lost $50 million and consumer electronics lost $22 million. $130 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

Q1: graphics lost $37 million and consumer electronics lost $4 million. $113 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

$5.4 billion ($4.2 in much-needed cash) doesn't go as far as it used to nowadays.

[dizietsma]

I'd expect the graphics part to do better in the 4th quarter, it maybe will be that the Ati part of AMD will actually help while the cpu side sorts itself out.

If TLB is sorted out with B3 and perhaps some higher clocked parts can come out I can see them being fairly popular, the one big problem seeming to be that of course AMD will not make as much money per core as they would wish, not being able to charge a premium price and exist on bottom feeding.

I hope things go well for them though.

[OpenGL guy]

Originally Posted by Geeforcer

Q3: graphics lost $3 million and consumer electronics lost $3 million. $76 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

Q2: graphics lost $50 million and consumer electronics lost $22 million. $130 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

Q1: graphics lost $37 million and consumer electronics lost $4 million. $113 million ATI acquisition-related charge.

$5.4 billion ($4.2 in much-needed cash) doesn't go as far as it used to nowadays.

And what about the gaming revenue that comes from the consoles? Chipset sales aren't broken out at all.

[hoho]

Originally Posted by OpenGL guy

And what about the gaming revenue that comes from the consoles? Chipset sales aren't broken out at all.

It is all included in the consumer electronic numbers. Also I doubt chipsets are big money makers. It's not like they make all that many of them or that they cost a lot (== bring in lots of money)

[OpenGL guy]

Originally Posted by hoho

It is all included in the consumer electronic numbers. Also I doubt chipsets are big money makers. It's not like they make all that many of them or that they cost a lot (== bring in lots of money)

Chipset sales are actually in the "computing solutions" numbers.

[hoho]

Yes, they are. Sorry for not breaking up the quote. I meant that consoles and handhelds are in the consumer electronics and chipsets in computing solutions.

Btw, how much did the computing solutions earn for AMD?

[vertex_shader]

VALVE sending free gift to NVIDIA users, and joined TWIMTBP

(i not find any other thread to this news where its not fully off, maybe its deserve a own thread, this is a real shocker)

[Geeforcer]

Originally Posted by OpenGL guy

And what about the gaming revenue that comes from the consoles? Chipset sales aren't broken out at all.

Consoles = consumer electronics.
Chipsets =? Breakdown not provided.

It's sort of a loop, is it not? I asked how much money ATI has made for AMD, you asked me to look at 10-Qs, I did and provide the numbers only to get "well, you are missing some data which is not included in 10-Qs" as the response. What was the point of that exercise?

To get back your first post:

Yeah, it's not like ATI is selling video cards or anything...

Yes, they are selling them, at the loss up until this point. That's hardly an adequate rebuttal to someone questioning whether a deal that has cost AMD over $6 billion dollars up until this point (in acquisition expenses, losses, chargers and interest) is a gamble that is going to pay off.

[Geeforcer]

Originally Posted by vertex_shader

VALVE sending free gift to NVIDIA users, and joined TWIMTBP

(i not find any other thread to this news where its not fully off, maybe its deserve a own thread, this is a real shocker)

I have a hard time believing this. This would be huge news and I would take it with a pinch of salt until a site I've actually heard of before reports it.

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Originally Posted by Geeforcer

I have a hard time believing this. This would be huge news and I would take it with a pinch of salt until a site I've actually heard of before reports it.

There's only so long Valve are going to tie themselves to a perceived sinking ship. It's not like AMD have either the GPU or CPU superiority that led Valve to first take the side (and cash) of ATI.

If Nvidia ponied up the cash, has better tech, and Valve wanted to side with Intel (which presumably would be difficult with an AMD deal), it would be no surprise to me to see Valve switch to TWIMTBP in their ever-hungry quest for profits. Everyone else has done it.

If AMD ever manage to pick themselves up, then I'm sure any software company would look to again side with them as a market and technology leader, but right now (and for some time into the future) that leader doesn't look like it's going to be AMD.

[Geo]

There's no real evidence that the ATI acquisition made Phenom late and busted, and that's the real root of the problem right now.

[ShaidarHaran]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

Yet OEM's are picking up the new CPU's.

In record quantities no doubt

Unless you care to share sales numbers with us, all we have to go on is the general "feeling" that Phenom isn't selling.

[Geo]

Less than two weeks to the next opportunity for some real data.