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neliz · 15-Apr-2007, 14:21

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Well we haven't had a driver cheating fiasco in a while and you know how much everybody loves those

Colored mipmaps ftw! But seriously, I think those scars run deep and won't soon be forgotten.

I heard the 8.371 launch drivers will only draw wireframes and all shader programs will be replaced with color values of 0,0,0.
Only in those circumstances will the XTX be 20% faster than overclocked GTX's

_xxx_ · 15-Apr-2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Heh, considering Nvidia has moved only a couple hundred thousand G80's to this point

'Only'?

That's huge for the high-end card.

_xxx_ · 15-Apr-2007, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Anarchist4000

I'm sure Nvidia alone is a major part of what has hampered the Vista launch.

Revenge for the ATI getting the X360 deal?

Cuthalu · 15-Apr-2007, 14:39

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Originally Posted by neliz

driver says 8.351, remember fudzilla's item about 8.361 providing a lot of improvements over that version...(8.351)
Current highest score for non-OC 6600 plus SLI 8800GTX is 11339

But single 8800gtx gets ~10000, doesn't look very good for that card if it's XT.

trinibwoy · 15-Apr-2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by _xxx_

'Only'?

That's huge for the high-end card.

Yeah I know. The "only" was in context of the claimed millions of orders. According to JPR Q4 numbers only 450,000 cards in the $250-700 range were shipped in Q4.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...413235044.html

neliz · 15-Apr-2007, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Cuthalu

But single 8800gtx gets ~10000, doesn't look very good for that card if it's XT.

Apple's Oranges?
Fastest 2.4Ghz CPu with 8800GTX's in SLI scores 12981 points
Can you show me scores for a E6600 running a single 8800 attaining that score?

neliz · 15-Apr-2007, 14:56

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Yeah I know. The "only" was in context of the claimed millions of orders. According to JPR Q4 numbers only 450,000 cards in the $250-700 range were shipped in Q4.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...413235044.html

What millions of orders? of sales of RV610? no one ever claimed selling millions of high end cards here..

Cuthalu · 15-Apr-2007, 14:59

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Originally Posted by neliz

Apple's Oranges?
Fastest 2.4Ghz CPu with 8800GTX's in SLI scores 12981 points
Can you show me scores for a E6600 running a single 8800 attaining that score?

Yes, that was with E6600 and Vista. Here's one of the many: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1279169

trinibwoy · 15-Apr-2007, 15:09

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Originally Posted by neliz

What millions of orders? of sales of RV610? no one ever claimed selling millions of high end cards here..

I was responding to this (my bolding) :

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Originally Posted by Silent_Buddha

Again, please note the big IF the rumor is true that they are selling "millions" of R600s to OEMs.

Unknown Soldier · 15-Apr-2007, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Jawed

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=526&Itemid=1

I'm still convinced R600 is a vector architecture, for what it's worth. The implication is R600 is 64 vec5. A 4:1 ALU:TEX ratio then implies 16 TMUs. And, well, 16 ROPs seems likely too.

16 TMUs fits into the ALU:TEX ratio, but it seems awfully low.

Jawed

Hmm.. HD2900XT to have 64 shaders only while the HD2900XTX to have 128 Shaders?

US

Kaotik · 15-Apr-2007, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Hmm.. HD2900XT to have 64 shaders only while the HD2900XTX to have 128 Shaders?

US

Ehm.. 64 what? 128 what? that 64 would be 64x Vec4+Scalar or 64x Vec5, as we know they have "320 MADD units"
How do you fit 128 into that?

trinibwoy · 15-Apr-2007, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Hmm.. HD2900XT to have 64 shaders only while the HD2900XTX to have 128 Shaders?

US

XTX probably just has higher clocks.

Unknown Soldier · 15-Apr-2007, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Kaotik

Ehm.. 64 what? 128 what? that 64 would be 64x Vec4+Scalar or 64x Vec5, as we know they have "320 MADD units"
How do you fit 128 into that?

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Everyone expects 128 Unified Shaders but R600 doesn’t have more than 64. It seems to be enough to make Nvidia G80 GTX run for its money. Nvidia has 128 unified Shaders but we are puzzled where does the difference comes from.

The Shaders are divided in four blocks and each has 16 units.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=526&Itemid=1

US

Unknown Soldier · 15-Apr-2007, 15:58

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

XTX probably just has higher clocks.

Ye.. I would agree except that they mentioned a while ago that all the R600's would run the same clocks. Of course that could've changed since then .. but wouldn't the 800 core XT with GDDR3 still be slower than 800 core XTX with GDDR4?

Seems to me that it would.

US

trinibwoy · 15-Apr-2007, 16:14

Yeah my recollection of the rumours is that the XTX and XT would be at different clocks. Not really sure though. And nobody was expecting 128 shaders, the Inq was just being asinine as usual. They probably mean that people are expecting 128 because g80 has 128.

IbaneZ · 15-Apr-2007, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Nv500

According to the guy in this post (you may need a reviewer permission to see the stuff):

http://we.pcinlife.com/attachment.ph...es&nothumb=yes

The card is a 2900XTX 1G DDR4 version, and in Windows XP with a OCed E6600 (edited, it is a E6600@300x9 as the guy suggested), it got a 3D MARK 06 of 10572.

Here's the screenshot of that score.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6...t13b44fsm3.jpg

1024 MB. That alone makes my hangover to feel less sucky.

Unknown Soldier · 15-Apr-2007, 16:22

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Yeah my recollection of the rumours is that the XTX and XT would be at different clocks. Not really sure though. And nobody was expecting 128 shaders, the Inq was just being asinine as usual. They probably mean that people are expecting 128 because g80 has 128.

Ye I suppose... I guess covering their ars.. erm .. I mean bases.

US

Kaotik · 15-Apr-2007, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=526&Itemid=1

US

Everyone is expecting... why? Because 8800 has?
That's just bullcrap and nonsense, it's irrelevant "how many units" it has compared to 8800, when they're not even the same type of units (scalar vs vec4+scalar or vec5)

vertex_shader · 15-Apr-2007, 16:32

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Originally Posted by neliz

I heard the 8.371 launch drivers will only draw wireframes and all shader programs will be replaced with color values of 0,0,0.
Only in those circumstances will the XTX be 20% faster than overclocked GTX's

No, AMD not cheating with any r600 drivers.
XT already faster 20% in some circumstances than the 8800 gtx oc.

vertex_shader · 15-Apr-2007, 16:33

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Originally Posted by IbaneZ

Here's the screenshot of that score.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6...t13b44fsm3.jpg

1024 MB. That alone makes my hangover to feel less sucky.

Funny

INKster · 15-Apr-2007, 17:00

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Originally Posted by vertex_shader

No, AMD not cheating with any r600 drivers.
XT already faster 20% in some circumstances than the 8800 gtx oc.

We won't know that for sure until the tests prove consistency.

neliz · 15-Apr-2007, 17:07

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

I was responding to this (my bolding) :

Sorry, I allready posted it a couple of pages down, someone misquoted fudzilla when it reported that the reason of the launch delay is because ati is busy with the OEM orders for RV610's, which (logically) is normal business. No one ever (even at the level of Inq) ever said amd sold or had pre-orders for millions of R600's

neliz · 15-Apr-2007, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Cuthalu

Yes, that was with E6600 and Vista. Here's one of the many: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1279169

Ah sorry.. I had my search on FM approved drivers

Even though it says stock, there is still a lot of variance in memory speed on those gtx's

Razor1 · 15-Apr-2007, 17:43

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1062

right around 10k for stock 8800 gtx on a 6600e

leoneazzurro · 15-Apr-2007, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Razor1

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1062

right around 10k for stock 8800 gtx on a 6600e

That score is at 1024x768, the other score is at 1280x1024

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Razor1 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY, NY Posts: 2,680	http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1062 right around 10k for stock 8800 gtx on a 6600e

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