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Angelcurio · 08-Sep-2006, 05:21

There was some serious downgrade on this game.

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/lair.htm

Eagle-Vision · 08-Sep-2006, 05:27

The first one looks like complete and utter crap. The others look kinda decent. I'm dissapointed in Factor 5.

Acert93 · 08-Sep-2006, 05:27

Tha last one looks nice. Is this still a launch title? Hopefully the finished product will show the Factor5 magic and it will exceed even their best footage they have shown thus far (the above falling decidedly short of such). Factor5 are some of the most tech savvy devs in the game, so I look forward to this title to give us a glimpse of what to expect over the next 5-6 years.

JigenD · 08-Sep-2006, 05:34

Cool, so Factor 5 is going back to Nintendo with the Wii?

Horrible, horrible graphics.
This could be a Wii title.

Hardknock · 08-Sep-2006, 05:35

Factor 5 has failed us.

what happened to those initial screens and videos??? The detail was almost popping off the screen!

Found the gifs of what it looked like before:

Bad_Boy · 08-Sep-2006, 05:40

I have a feeling these are old shots. I remember seeing a scan with that exact scene with the tail bent like that on the first image. This was a while ago.

Hardknock · 08-Sep-2006, 05:42

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Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

I have a feeling these are old shots. I remember seeing a scan with that exact scene with the tail bent like that on the first image. This was a while ago.

This screen was even longer ago July 2005 and claimed to be real-time.

patsu · 08-Sep-2006, 05:45

Ah ! finally. Is it going to be playable in TGS ? 15 more days.

Bad_Boy · 08-Sep-2006, 05:47

and this image is old as well... whats your point?
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs...908/lair02.jpg

All I'm saying is, lets wait till TGS until we judge some old media. The game will be playable there so I'm sure we will get some hands on discussion.

Hardknock · 08-Sep-2006, 05:49

My point is the time that these shots were taken has no relevance on how much this game has been downgraded from the initial supposed real-time screens.

Crayon · 08-Sep-2006, 05:51

Alright, all bets are off on Lair. The game has been through 3 different looks. And with that first shot above, you can add a fourth.

A fourth called HORSESHIT!!!!

Sankari · 08-Sep-2006, 05:54

This better not be what it looks like in TGS or I'll be majorly disappointed.

Bad_Boy · 08-Sep-2006, 05:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardknock

My point is the time that these shots were taken has no relevance on how much this game has been downgraded from the initial supposed real-time screens.

eh? does that make any sense?
the time has plenty relevance. the GDC shot looks improved over the orginal 'real time' trailer imo I'd say. Looks much more realistic than just say shiny dragons. Lets just wait till TGS shall we?

scooby_dooby · 08-Sep-2006, 06:01

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Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

eh? does that make any sense?
the time has plenty relevance. the GDC shot looks improved over the orginal 'real time' trailer imo I'd say. Looks much more realistic than just say shiny dragons. Lets just wait till TGS shall we?

These are the most recent screens we've seen, your 'feeling' is the only thing suggesting they are old.

Why would anyone wait until TGS to comment on these specific screens?

Hardknock · 08-Sep-2006, 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

eh? does that make any sense?
the time has plenty relevance. the GDC shot looks improved over the orginal 'real time' trailer imo I'd say. Looks much more realistic than just say shiny dragons. Lets just wait till TGS shall we?

Is this really that hard to grasp? The intial real-time screens have been downgraded. Regardless of when these were taken (which was only a few months ago actually

) they were still taken after the intial screens. The game has been majorly downgraded and most everyone can see it.

Sankari · 08-Sep-2006, 06:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardknock

Is this really that hard to grasp? The intial real-time screens have been downgraded. Regardless of when these were taken (which was only a few months ago actually

) they were still taken after the intial screens. The game has been majorly downgraded and most everyone can see it.

Yeap, the game must suck now.

scooby_dooby · 08-Sep-2006, 06:05

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Originally Posted by Sankari

Yeap, the game must suck now.

give it a rest, nobody said anything remotely close to that.

Bad_Boy · 08-Sep-2006, 06:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

These are the most recent screens we've seen, your 'feeling' is the only thing suggesting they are old.

The screens were in EGM a while back.

Quote:

Why would anyone wait until TGS to comment on these specific screens?

maybe because the game will be playable there? a not just views of old screens that appeared in EGM months ago?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardknock

Is this really that hard to grasp? The intial real-time screens have been downgraded. Regardless of when these were taken (which was only a few months ago actually

) they were still taken after the intial screens. The game has been majorly downgraded and most everyone can see it.

Is it so hard to grasp that people prefer the GDC screen to this stuff (maybe you dont, but thats fine, thats your opinion), which is more current than the real time demo?

I'll say it one last time.
TGS
if the game looks like ass then, then I have no problem with you guys getting on my case. But its honestly hopeless ATM to judge the game by these shots.

Sankari · 08-Sep-2006, 06:11

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Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

give it a rest, nobody said anything remotely close to that.

Well you guys were remotely implying it, so why don't we wait til TGS and give our impressions after it? Somehow I don't believe these are showing us what the game looks like at the moment because that looks like something PS2 could do, maybe not PS2 but atleast xbox.

scooby_dooby · 08-Sep-2006, 06:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sankari

Well you guys were remotely implying it, so why don't we wait til TGS and give our impressions after it? Somehow I don't believe these are showing us what the game looks like at the moment because that looks like something PS2 could do, maybe not PS2 but atleast xbox.

Show me one sentance that implies it. You're imagination seems to be getting carried away. The graphics are poor, especially compared to the previous shots, that's all anyone has said.

Acert93 · 08-Sep-2006, 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

I'll say it one last time.
TGS
if the game looks like ass then, then I have no problem with you guys getting on my case. But its honestly hopeless ATM to judge the game by these shots.

Yeah, who knows if they are downgraded. That would be a leap. Obviously they are a step down, but we don't know why and if this is how it will be at launch. So we can leave it at: they look worse, but the game is playable in 2 weeks, so a more definitive summary of the game can be made then.

Crayon · 08-Sep-2006, 06:15

Wait...

The other two are two small to see... but there is something seriosuly fishy with the first pic. The really nasty looking one.

Things have kind of a "placeholder" look. The textures. They don't look like Factor 5's work. Nor do the models.

The game has obviously gone through a few different looks over the last year. Perhaps these screens where not meant to be seen at all? It almost strikes me as some sort of test.

Hardknock · 08-Sep-2006, 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

The screens were in EGM a while back.

maybe because the game will be playable there? a not just views of old screens that appeared in EGM months ago?

Actually only the first screen was in EGM. The other 2 are completely new. And are the exact same small resolution just like the other new screens for Motorstorm, Unknown Realms, etc... that were released tonight.

patsu · 08-Sep-2006, 06:19

What were they doing in SIGGRAPH 2006 ?

Sankari · 08-Sep-2006, 06:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

Show me one sentance that implies it. You're imagination seems to be getting carried away. The graphics are poor, especially compared to the previous shots, that's all anyone has said.

Well I ain't getting to this with you guys but I admit the graphics are poor but I don't believe for a second that this is what the game looks at the moment nor will it look like this in TGS. If it does, hats off to you fellows.

08-Sep-2006, 05:21	#1
Angelcurio Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 324	New Lair pics There was some serious downgrade on this game. http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/lair.htm

08-Sep-2006, 05:27	#3
Acert93 Artist formerly known as Acert93 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 7,714	Tha last one looks nice. Is this still a launch title? Hopefully the finished product will show the Factor5 magic and it will exceed even their best footage they have shown thus far (the above falling decidedly short of such). Factor5 are some of the most tech savvy devs in the game, so I look forward to this title to give us a glimpse of what to expect over the next 5-6 years. __________________ "In games I don't like, there is no such thing as "tradeoffs," only "downgrades" or "lazy devs" or "bugs" or "design failures." Neither do tradeoffs exist in games I'm a rabid fan of, and just shut up if you're going to point them out." -- fearsomepirate

08-Sep-2006, 05:40	#6
Bad_Boy god of war. Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,355	I have a feeling these are old shots. I remember seeing a scan with that exact scene with the tail bent like that on the first image. This was a while ago. __________________ -BB\|

08-Sep-2006, 05:47	#9
Bad_Boy god of war. Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,355	and this image is old as well... whats your point? http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs...908/lair02.jpg All I'm saying is, lets wait till TGS until we judge some old media. The game will be playable there so I'm sure we will get some hands on discussion. __________________ -BB\|

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08-Sep-2006, 05:27	#2
Eagle-Vision Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 270	The first one looks like complete and utter crap. The others look kinda decent. I'm dissapointed in Factor 5.

08-Sep-2006, 05:34	#4
JigenD Naughty Boy! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 47	Cool, so Factor 5 is going back to Nintendo with the Wii? Horrible, horrible graphics. This could be a Wii title.

08-Sep-2006, 05:35	#5
Hardknock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,192	Factor 5 has failed us. what happened to those initial screens and videos??? The detail was almost popping off the screen! Found the gifs of what it looked like before:

08-Sep-2006, 05:45	#8
patsu Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 25,532	Ah ! finally. Is it going to be playable in TGS ? 15 more days.

08-Sep-2006, 05:49	#10
Hardknock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,192	My point is the time that these shots were taken has no relevance on how much this game has been downgraded from the initial supposed real-time screens.

08-Sep-2006, 05:51	#11
Crayon Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California, United States of Canada Posts: 643	Alright, all bets are off on Lair. The game has been through 3 different looks. And with that first shot above, you can add a fourth. A fourth called HORSESHIT!!!!

08-Sep-2006, 05:54	#12
Sankari Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 649	This better not be what it looks like in TGS or I'll be majorly disappointed.

08-Sep-2006, 06:15	#22
Crayon Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California, United States of Canada Posts: 643	Wait... The other two are two small to see... but there is something seriosuly fishy with the first pic. The really nasty looking one. Things have kind of a "placeholder" look. The textures. They don't look like Factor 5's work. Nor do the models. The game has obviously gone through a few different looks over the last year. Perhaps these screens where not meant to be seen at all? It almost strikes me as some sort of test.

08-Sep-2006, 06:19	#24
patsu Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 25,532	What were they doing in SIGGRAPH 2006 ?

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