[drpepper]

Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

Edit: Damn I'm on fire today....goto Checkout at Futurehop or best buy...what do they show as a ship date? Drumroll please............. March 23. Bingo. So Bestbuy, Futureshop, Ebgames & Gamestop all taking open ended preorders and prmising to ship on March 23 or 24th, still think MS is not stockpiling consoles?

Umm, no, and like i said, what's the point of stockpiling it? MS should market the hell out of the games coming out, not the availability of their console.

March 23? That's no big deal. I order Sims 2 and Sim 2 University at amazon.ca and it didn't even leave the docks till a week later. This is Sims! man. Why the long ship dates for a game like that I don't know. but still not convinced of massive shortages.

[wco81]

Originally Posted by drpepper

I'd order it up but I'm planning on buying an iPod video

Rumors are, Apple may intro an iPod with a larger screen in time for their 30th anniversary on April 1st.

Rummors may not turn out to be true but their anniversary really is April 1st.

Which is a Saturday.

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by Titanio

This article has a couple of interesting/different comments..

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusin...10005217.shtml





Playing it safe with Nov? Also might perhaps bode well for early manufacturing?

I think it definitely bodes well for developers and gamers. Just get the stuff ready and out the door when it's done. I don't care of spec increases, I just want a functioning machine when the time arrives.

Now hopefully I'll get a nice cushy job with the government after I defend in August!

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by wco81

Rumors are, Apple may intro an iPod with a larger screen in time for their 30th anniversary on April 1st.

Rummors may not turn out to be true but their anniversary really is April 1st.

Which is a Saturday.

Sorry for going off topic (again, ), but thanks for the tip. That's why I haven't ordered yet. Though, if they have an iPod nano with more storage than I'll get that, I just don't like the fact that the nano has less capacity than my 1G iPod at 5 GB.

[scooby_dooby]

Originally Posted by drpepper

Umm, no, and like i said, what's the point of stockpiling it? MS should market the hell out of the games coming out, not the availability of their console.

March 23? That's no big deal. I order Sims 2 and Sim 2 University at amazon.ca and it didn't even leave the docks till a week later. This is Sims! man. Why the long ship dates for a game like that I don't know. but still not convinced of massive shortages.

I already explained the point of stockpiling liek 4 posts ago, you're free to check it out.

I'm chalking you up to a lost cause. The fact 4 of the biggest retailers in NA all show the exact same dates for shipping of their unlimited preorders is just a coincidence...sure it is.

And the fact that no futureshop or bestbuy is actually showing ANY 360 stock in-store is not enough to convince you of a shortage...I don't know what else I can say. Believe what you will I guess..

p.s. Maybe you missed this on the FS site: "Out of Stock: Will ship when available" strange how the ship date matches the other major retailers...awfully peculiar ain't it?

[expletive]

Originally Posted by Titanio

Playing it safe with Nov? Also might perhaps bode well for early manufacturing?

Theyve already stated manufacturing data, which always tend to be best case. I dont think its worthwhile to try and uncover any more than the actual facts we've been given. For all we know the quote could have been "Put it out in July wihtout HDMI 1.3", but what's the point anyway, we'd only be trying to get to a point where we know how many units they could deliver per month and how many they would have for launch, which we pretty much know already.

EDIT: If sony wants to sell the idea that having 2 million units for a holiday season in which they could sell twice that is "solid", then more power to them.

[Edge]

So February's numbers are a good look into MS manufacturing numbers, and it's 100 days till June. Unless MS can increase manufacturing between now and then, and assuming demand can absorb that increase, then it's quite clear MS cannot meet it's target, unless they lie.

If MS should lie, than Xbox fans will reject the console en mass, and all become Nintendo fans, or non-fans of any console, if Nintendo should ever be caught in a lie.

[scooby_dooby]

Originally Posted by Edge

So February's numbers are good look into MS manufacturing numbers.

First of all, why don't you tell me what the "february numbers" worldwide are? And I don't want any half baked extrapolation, if you have the #'s lets here them.

[drpepper]

What does this all have to do with the PS briefing? I'm surprised that I got carried away with an offtopic discussion and I've pretty much given up on it. But I have a feeling lockage is in order unless the discussion is back on track.

this thread was rated 4 stars so let's keep it that way.

[Edge]

Originally Posted by drpepper

What does this all have to do with the PS briefing? I'm surprised that I got carried away with an offtopic discussion and I've pretty much given up on it. But I have a feeling lockage is in order unless the discussion is back on track.

this thread was rated 4 stars so let's keep it that way.

Sorry back on topic.

I have a question about the HDMI spec, what does the upgraded spec offer the PS3? Interms of gaming or Blu-ray video?

[expletive]

Originally Posted by Edge

Sorry back on topic.

I have a question about the HDMI spec, what does the upgraded spec offer the PS3? Interms of gaming or Blu-ray video?

HDMI 1.3 means that the PS3 can send Dolby Digital HD and DTS HD over HDMI in their native format without having to convert them to PCM first.

EDIT:Just an FYI, this is really only for BR movie playback and goes to KK's point on how the PS3 wouldnt be a 'poor man's BR player'. If it couldnt do this then the hardcore would certainly label it a such.

[Npl]

Originally Posted by expletive

HDMI 1.3 means that the PS3 can send Dolby Digital HD and DTS HD over HDMI in their native format without having to convert them to PCM first.

EDIT:Just an FYI, this is really only for BR movie playback and goes to KK's point on how the PS3 wouldnt be a 'poor man's BR player'. If it couldnt do this then the hardcore would certainly label it a such.

It also supports better colour-resolution and higher refreshrates in 1080p: http://www.hdmi.org/press/pr/pr_20060103.asp

[Laa-Yosh]

Originally Posted by Edge

The main thing to stop Sony from being No. 1, would be Sony. They are doing everything well, and so the status quo will not change.

I'm sorry but that gave me a really good laugh.
Pushing the release date back 6 months and announcing a worldwide launch that'll make the X360 launch a full success is certainly a prime example of 'doing everything well', yes...

[Laa-Yosh]

I would be very surprised to see any changes to the PS3's memory configuration at this point. RSX is completed with its memory controller, so is Cell. What's perhaps even more important is that developers have already budgeted their assets based on the specs and are well into production using those specs. Rearranging anything in the hardware would probably make nAo and Deano jump out of the window...

[one]

Originally Posted by expletive

HDMI 1.3 means that the PS3 can send Dolby Digital HD and DTS HD over HDMI in their native format without having to convert them to PCM first.

EDIT:Just an FYI, this is really only for BR movie playback and goes to KK's point on how the PS3 wouldnt be a 'poor man's BR player'. If it couldnt do this then the hardcore would certainly label it a such.

Maybe you are looking at a different thing? Deep color representation on future TVs is important for HDR in gaming, let alone higher frame rates. Besides, it's not decided if it's called HDMI 1.3.

[Titanio]

Originally Posted by Laa-Yosh

I would be very surprised to see any changes to the PS3's memory configuration at this point. RSX is completed with its memory controller, so is Cell. What's perhaps even more important is that developers have already budgeted their assets based on the specs and are well into production using those specs. Rearranging anything in the hardware would probably make nAo and Deano jump out of the window...

I'd be very surprised too, and don't see it happening, and I was also thinking of what launch title developers would do to take advantage of such a move - but it would be of benefit beyond initial titles, and with enough notice, some might take advantage of it. More memory would also presumably mean more bandwidth which could be used for the game's benefit more immediately without requiring content creation.

If they were going to make any changes, IMO, more or faster RAM would be the best upgrade. But I absolutely do not expect it - I think Sony will be aiming for max manufacturability rather than boosting spec still further.

[expletive]

Originally Posted by one

Maybe you are looking at a different thing? Deep color representation on future TVs is important for HDR in gaming, let alone higher frame rates. Besides, it's not decided if it's called HDMI 1.3.

The current spec (up through 1.2) supports 1080/60p but i did forget about the added color depths. I had thought that BR (and games as well) would only be supporting 8 bit color so i ahdnt even considered the additional video stuff. I'll see if i can dig up more info. I'm pretty sure the big win was for native HD audio stuff though.

[GB123]

Originally Posted by Edge

I think MS is great competition, and the 360 is an awesome console, but it's going to take a lot to dislodge Sony. The main thing to stop Sony from being No. 1, would be Sony. They are doing everything well, and so the status quo will not change. They would have to screw up big time to lose their position. The PS3 looks like it will be monster of a console, and largely negate any advantage that MS may have had like the harddisk, and Live!

I agree but like Acert said that come March if PS3 have sold 6 million and 360 sales are at 12 million developers will have to take this into account and decide which is the best option for making profit.

MS have said many times that they don't plan on beating Sony in 1 or 2 generations but they plan on chipping away at their market share over a long period, i think for this generation Sony are safe as No 1, next gen will be were MS will make its move to dominate the market.

MS have been pretty clever launching a whole year in advance and having pretty much the same standard of technology in it's console. (obviously this is yet to be seen but visually i doubt there will be much difference at all).

[zRifle1z]

Originally Posted by Titanio

I'd be very surprised too, and don't see it happening, and I was also thinking of what launch title developers would do to take advantage of such a move - but it would be of benefit beyond initial titles, and with enough notice, some might take advantage of it. More memory would also presumably mean more bandwidth which could be used for the game's benefit more immediately without requiring content creation.

If they were going to make any changes, IMO, more or faster RAM would be the best upgrade. But I absolutely do not expect it - I think Sony will be aiming for max manufacturability rather than boosting spec still further.

Titano, I'm just quoting you for an example and this is not directed towards you.

Ya know after seeing what the XBXO 360 was capable of I was really looking forward to enjoying the PS3 in 2007 when it would be available. I am just interested in it for the games, and after attending E3 last year I knew Sony was blowing smoke about a spring release.

As Sony continues to "hide" actual in-game footage of PS3 games, and their intentionally vague PR misinformation campaign, I'm beginning to loose interest. Don't get me wrong, all of the additional functions of the PS3 are nice, but I can do the same things with guess what? A computer.

The point I'm trying to get at is yes Sony is doing a wonderful job marketing what the PS3 "will eventually be capable of at some point", but as Titano’s post and many others over the last 22 pages show, Sony has revealed nothing.

To top it off Sony has successfully side-stepped the issue of not showing games running on the PS3 with what?

A Power Point Presentation.

GDC is going to be something to behold

[!eVo!-X Ant UK]

This tread is a mix of people really excited by the news, and people who dont support Sony just trolling and making white noise.

I think its great news as it forces Microsoft to up there game slightly.

[Titanio]

*Looks at my post*

*Looks at zRifle1z's post*



I'm not sure how you got to there from my post, but whatever keeps you happy

[zRifle1z]

Originally Posted by Titanio

*Looks at my post*

*Looks at zRifle1z's post*



I'm not sure how you got to there from my post, but whatever keeps you happy

And that is why I said it was not directed at you along with ending with this:

The point I'm trying to get at is yes Sony is doing a wonderful job marketing what the PS3 "will eventually be capable of at some point", but as Titano’s post and many others over the last 22 pages show, Sony has revealed nothing.

My apologies if you took it the wrong way.

[Titanio]

I still don't see the link. My post doesn't show "Sony has revealed nothing". I'm very confused. Without commenting on the validity or merit of your statements at all, I just don't see how they relate to my post. Maybe you're reading something into my posts I didn't intend, I don't know.

I don't mind your post at all, even if I wouldn't necessarily agree with it, I just don't see how it matches up as a response to my post at all!

[onanie]

Originally Posted by zRifle1z

And that is why I said it was not directed at you along with ending with this:
The point I'm trying to get at is yes Sony is doing a wonderful job marketing what the PS3 "will eventually be capable of at some point", but as Titano’s post and many others over the last 22 pages show, Sony has revealed nothing.

My apologies if you took it the wrong way.

It's hard not to be confused. What exactly do you want Sony to reveal, and why should they?

[GB123]

Originally Posted by zRifle1z

Titano, I'm just quoting you for an example and this is not directed towards you.

Ya know after seeing what the XBXO 360 was capable of I was really looking forward to enjoying the PS3 in 2007 when it would be available. I am just interested in it for the games, and after attending E3 last year I knew Sony was blowing smoke about a spring release.

As Sony continues to "hide" actual in-game footage of PS3 games, and their intentionally vague PR misinformation campaign, I'm beginning to loose interest. Don't get me wrong, all of the additional functions of the PS3 are nice, but I can do the same things with guess what? A computer.

The point I'm trying to get at is yes Sony is doing a wonderful job marketing what the PS3 "will eventually be capable of at some point", but as Titano’s post and many others over the last 22 pages show, Sony has revealed nothing.

To top it off Sony has successfully side-stepped the issue of not showing games running on the PS3 with what?

A Power Point Presentation.

GDC is going to be something to behold

This pretty much sums things up Sony haven't really said anything to get excited about, other than the piece about the HDD and we still have no concrete evidence what this actually means.

The first 4-5 pages of this thread were as if something huge had been announced yet we are no clearer than we were last week.

Yes the PS3 is coming in November(fall) which has been speculated for a while now.

Sony haven't answered anything, they have simply put more questions out there and brought the PS3 back into the News.

You have to love how they managed to make something out of nothing though.

This tread is a mix of people really excited by the news, and people who dont support Sony just trolling and making white noise.

I think its great news as it forces Microsoft to up there game slightly.

What news and what exactly are MS supposed to up their game in regards to ?