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Moloch · 25-Jan-2006, 21:31

I notice the 7800 family all makes a poor showing in far cry compared with the 1800/1900 family.
What about far cry makes these cards run slow compared to their competitors?

AlStrong · 26-Jan-2006, 00:04

dynamic branching?

Razor1 · 26-Jan-2006, 00:14

no its polygon counts, far cry uses quite a bit more then most games when it comes to polygon counts. UT 2004 and Doom 3, and Quake 4 use around 100k-150k per scene unshadowed. Far Cry some outside areas reach up to 275k. nV's vertex shaders aren't as optimal because of the lower fequencies they run at.

Moloch · 26-Jan-2006, 00:20

that makes sense

Diplo · 26-Jan-2006, 00:27

'Far Cry' seems to be one of those games were you get wildly different results depending on what maps were benchmarked. Outdoor and indoor scenes tend to emphasis different aspects of a card, with outdoor being high poly and indoor using more shaders and dynamic lights.

EDIT: Looking at these X-bit benchmarks I don't really see a massive difference between 7800 and 1800 scores. *shrug*

Hellbinder · 27-Jan-2006, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diplo

'Far Cry' seems to be one of those games were you get wildly different results depending on what maps were benchmarked. Outdoor and indoor scenes tend to emphasis different aspects of a card, with outdoor being high poly and indoor using more shaders and dynamic lights.

EDIT: Looking at these X-bit benchmarks I don't really see a massive difference between 7800 and 1800 scores. *shrug*

This is totally true.

MuFu · 27-Jan-2006, 02:31

Far Cry's also a bitch for transparency AA (if enabled).

digitalwanderer · 27-Jan-2006, 02:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuFu

Far Cry's also a bitch for transparency AA (if enabled).

Is it a bitch for adaptive AA on ATi cards? (I don't even think I have FarCry installed anymore. )

BrynS · 27-Jan-2006, 06:58

Yeah, on just about all the outdoor levels the excessive foliage and shrubbery will up the Adaptive AA workload considerably, causing framerates to plummet as the applied FSAA setting (2x/4x/6x) results in a similar level of Super-Sampling AA being applied to large portions of the screen.

Does the X1K range now have a Mutli-Sampling (Performance?) Adaptive AA toggle in the Catalysts?

Jawed · 27-Jan-2006, 09:20

I thought adaptive AA has always had performance and quality options on the slider.

Jawed

dizietsma · 27-Jan-2006, 09:26

I always assumed the outdoor jungle scenes favoured Ati due to the amount of vertex work needed doing but that was just an assumption I made.

Talking of Far Cry I loaded it up again the other day this time with HDR. After a while of tweaking HDR so it was not too excessive I was struck again how beautiful Far Cry looks. While things like Quake 4 and Doom 3 look cartoon like and Half Life 2 looks almost 2D and sparse, Far Cry looks full and lush. Whether this is because the sea/jungle setting just looks "full" and colourful or whether it is just good coding but this game still looks fantastic.

martrox · 27-Jan-2006, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jawed

I thought adaptive AA has always had performance and quality options on the slider.

Jawed

Yes it does......but even performace adaptive AA can cause pretty healthy slowdowns if the screen is covered with alpha textures. The difference between 7800 transparancy and X1xxx adaptive seems to be by degree. While adaptive seems to cause a smaller drop in FPS, the difference isn't huge, either. It's certianly noticable, but not a gamebreaker. (Pun not intended....really!)

Matas · 15-Feb-2006, 17:40

[QUOTE=Diplo]'Far Cry' seems to be one of those games were you get wildly different results depending on what maps were benchmarked. Outdoor and indoor scenes tend to emphasis different aspects of a card, with outdoor being high poly and indoor using more shaders and dynamic lights.

So, in what kind of scenes GeForce 7800xxx should run better?

25-Jan-2006, 21:31	#1
Moloch God of Wicked Games Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,900	7800 far cry scores.. why so weak? I notice the 7800 family all makes a poor showing in far cry compared with the 1800/1900 family. What about far cry makes these cards run slow compared to their competitors? __________________ Ice109: I had never truly known the meaning of "so happy i just pulled out my d**k and started beating it" until right then

26-Jan-2006, 00:20	#4
Moloch God of Wicked Games Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,900	that makes sense __________________ Ice109: I had never truly known the meaning of "so happy i just pulled out my d**k and started beating it" until right then

26-Jan-2006, 00:27	#5
Diplo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,474	'Far Cry' seems to be one of those games were you get wildly different results depending on what maps were benchmarked. Outdoor and indoor scenes tend to emphasis different aspects of a card, with outdoor being high poly and indoor using more shaders and dynamic lights. EDIT: Looking at these X-bit benchmarks I don't really see a massive difference between 7800 and 1800 scores. shrug __________________ "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins Last edited by Diplo; 26-Jan-2006 at 00:33.

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26-Jan-2006, 00:04	#2
AlStrong rwaaaraararagh Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: beaver Posts: 14,057	dynamic branching?

26-Jan-2006, 00:14	#3
Razor1 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY, NY Posts: 2,680	no its polygon counts, far cry uses quite a bit more then most games when it comes to polygon counts. UT 2004 and Doom 3, and Quake 4 use around 100k-150k per scene unshadowed. Far Cry some outside areas reach up to 275k. nV's vertex shaders aren't as optimal because of the lower fequencies they run at.

27-Jan-2006, 06:58	#9
BrynS Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 406	Yeah, on just about all the outdoor levels the excessive foliage and shrubbery will up the Adaptive AA workload considerably, causing framerates to plummet as the applied FSAA setting (2x/4x/6x) results in a similar level of Super-Sampling AA being applied to large portions of the screen. Does the X1K range now have a Mutli-Sampling (Performance?) Adaptive AA toggle in the Catalysts?

27-Jan-2006, 09:20	#10
Jawed Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 9,867	I thought adaptive AA has always had performance and quality options on the slider. Jawed

27-Jan-2006, 09:26	#11
dizietsma Naughty Boy! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,172	I always assumed the outdoor jungle scenes favoured Ati due to the amount of vertex work needed doing but that was just an assumption I made. Talking of Far Cry I loaded it up again the other day this time with HDR. After a while of tweaking HDR so it was not too excessive I was struck again how beautiful Far Cry looks. While things like Quake 4 and Doom 3 look cartoon like and Half Life 2 looks almost 2D and sparse, Far Cry looks full and lush. Whether this is because the sea/jungle setting just looks "full" and colourful or whether it is just good coding but this game still looks fantastic.

15-Feb-2006, 17:40	#13
Matas Registered Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 159	[QUOTE=Diplo]'Far Cry' seems to be one of those games were you get wildly different results depending on what maps were benchmarked. Outdoor and indoor scenes tend to emphasis different aspects of a card, with outdoor being high poly and indoor using more shaders and dynamic lights. So, in what kind of scenes GeForce 7800xxx should run better?

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