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07-Dec-2005, 21:51
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Mainstream Video Quality Shootout
Alan finally got around to publish his latest article, Mainstream Video Quality Shootout: ATI vs NVIDIA & XGI.
And for the lazy ones (  )"Our sources indicate that ATI is testing new drivers that will use more of the video hardware in the X1800 and the X800. The buzz we’re getting from our sources is that this new driver may bring ATI’s video performance into the triple digits in the HQV Benchmark!" 
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08-Dec-2005, 00:08
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Y'know, I gave Alan's video work "specialty niche reporting of the year" for 2005, and it certainly was deserving. . .but it would be so much more satisfying if this piece was 7600 vs X1600.
I would have gladly waited another month, or two, for that. :sigh:
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08-Dec-2005, 00:27
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Interesting, but the products used dont really make sense to me. I think a much better comparison would be 7800GT(X) X1800XL(XT) and the XGI product of your choice (dont know the lineup). Since the X800XL does not represent the most current video quality solution from ATi, and apparently the 6600GT does not either for Nvidia.
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08-Dec-2005, 00:32
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The word "mainstream" is your clue there --he was after a pricing thing for the comparison. Hence my sigh --we ought to be just about to see new mainstream parts (NV) or they are just becoming available (ATI).
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08-Dec-2005, 00:36
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Then was it truely impossible to find an X1300? The range doesnt make sense to me, no matter how you slice it.
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08-Dec-2005, 00:40
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It was still a good read, and I have a 9600 in my htpc
 Ah well, I am somewhat dissapointed about the 6600 thing b/c my 6200 is of course unlocked and was sdestined for being the HTPC card later, but unfortunately the drivers won't allow pure video to function on a 6200 even if it is essentially a 6600 ah well...
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08-Dec-2005, 00:46
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08-Dec-2005, 00:54
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Edit: Urrp! $19.95 for the cheapie, and up to $49.95 if you want some Dolby goodness. Tho there is a free 30 day trial if you want to see if you like it. And it was the GT/Ultra that have decode problems. They aren't accelerated for decode.
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08-Dec-2005, 01:01
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Thank's Geo, that seems to be what I recall.
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08-Dec-2005, 13:29
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I thought it was $20.00, but it doesn't really matter.
On newer cards it uses the hardware to do stuff with the video, and they said that it will only function on a minimum of a 6600 due to the 6200 not having enough power. I got my 6200 with the idea of putting it in my htpc later and did not know that at the time it was a dissapointment especially since as I said it is unlocked, of course it was only $50.00 so that is still a cheap card and I cannot complain too much. Here is Nvidias info, if you scroll down you will see what I mean, the 6200 pci-e does do some of the stuff, but it misses out on other bits that the rest of 6 series does. Basically I don't want to buy it (purevideo) and then see if it will work, I would rather know in advance...
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08-Dec-2005, 17:06
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It seems to me that ATI has been resting on its laurels for years now. Pretty sad.
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08-Dec-2005, 17:19
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08-Dec-2005, 20:20
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No, but with talk of improved video decoding coming to non-AVIVO cards, it seems to me that ATI has waited to get called-out on poor quality decoding before acting.
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09-Dec-2005, 00:51
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 , I don't care about the other bit b/c it doesn't affect me. But the 6800GS should probably work as well.
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09-Dec-2005, 21:02
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NVidia didn't "lie".. but from reading their official response (and reading between the lines), you can extropolate that there is a hardware flaw. Like any company that has a flaw in their product.. it isn't "said" until a "later date". Last edited by Deathlike2; 10-Dec-2005 at 14:29. |
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10-Dec-2005, 14:21
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10-Dec-2005, 18:02
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 ), they're too much old; if nVidia didn't fix this in driver i don't understand why their support page lists NV40 AGP as "broken" and his PCI-E counterpart (NV45) as "fully functional"...it's a non-sense (let's list as "broken" or "fully functional" both!  ).However, if the "broken part" it's only the WMV9 acceleration i can tolerate this one, cause the image quality is the same as newer chips. |
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10-Dec-2005, 19:29
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The G70, NV41 (6600 AGP), NV43 (6600 PCI-E), 6800 vanilla, and NV42 (6800GS) is not affected by this issue (the AGP/PCI-E version has no significance in the matter). The issue is just over the CPU utilzation (since it cannot be done on the video card, it will be done over the CPU)... there should be no image quality differences in the first place... http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=530&st=0 If you're not into looking into Anandtech's info.. there's always NVidia's forums... Last edited by Deathlike2; 10-Dec-2005 at 19:47. |
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10-Dec-2005, 20:13
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I would like to see new tests made with new drivers, new PureVideo decoder and 6600 GT PCI-E versus 6800 GT PCI-E (not AGP)... 
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10-Dec-2005, 20:37
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NV40 (Geforce 6800 Ultra/GT AGP) and NV45 (Geforce 6800 Ultra/GT PCI-E) are the hardware with the bug... I'll cut them a "little slack" as their tables are huge.. though it should be their job to get the info correct. Did I not say that new drivers won't fix the FLAW in the hardware? You will not get any performance benefits if the hardware is not able to support it... Last edited by Deathlike2; 10-Dec-2005 at 20:39. |
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