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PARANOiA · 22-Nov-2005, 08:01

From http://www.palgn.com.au/article.php?id=3465

- Midnight, March 2nd, 2005
- Premium pack - $650
- Core pack- $500
- 30 games at launch

Not overly exciting, but we probably won't see the PS3 until 2007. Sucks to be me

EDIT: I'm assuming the 2005 means 2006 heh heh

Martin Eddy · 22-Nov-2005, 08:05

Yeah 2006 is right.

I just posted a link to it in this thread.

Bad_Boy · 22-Nov-2005, 08:28

bummer for the aussies.

Shifty Geezer · 22-Nov-2005, 09:42

Hmmm, someone needs to explain to MS what 'worldwide' launch means. Recognising the existence of a Southern Hemisphere would be a god start.

Martin Eddy · 22-Nov-2005, 10:09

The problem is Australia is probably <5% of the worldwide market. If I was Microsoft I wouldn't give a damn about us either. Microsoft needs to make as big an impact in America, Europe and Japan as it possibly can.
The upside for it being delayed 3 months down here is if there are any problems with the hardware, they most likely will be sorted out by the time we get an XBOX 360 in our hands.

Andy · 22-Nov-2005, 10:17

It's not so much the March launch that annoys it, it's more the fact we are a PAL territory, and hence, it should launch over here and New Zealand when all the other PAL terroritories get it ( ie Europe! ). Like I said in another thread, send over 10,000 our way for Christmas, and at that price, that should be plenty of units to satisfy the hardcore gamers hunger!

Now I am just bitter, and will buy a PS3 first instead, and wait until the X360 drops a fair amount in price before I consider picking one up!

london-boy · 22-Nov-2005, 10:31

MARCH?! That's crap! Still, Australia must be in the region of 2% of the global videogame market, if even that. I think it's an even smaller market that the UK alone, so the fact that it's pretty much a "territory" of its own is always going to make it harder to market things down there. At least the UK is together with the rest of the European Union which makes us a third of the whole market, pretty much. Not that it ever mattered but anyway..

Shifty Geezer · 22-Nov-2005, 10:32

The only reason not to release to Australia is the transport. They can use English XB360s, and AFAIK only need a small amount. Australians aren;t as big into video games. Something to do with having beaches and barbies and better things to do with their time

london-boy · 22-Nov-2005, 10:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

The only reason not to release to Australia is the transport. They can use English XB360s, and AFAIK only need a small amount. Australians aren;t as big into video games. Something to do with having beaches and barbies and better things to do with their time

Nope, they can't use UK ones. The plug is different. And i assume there is some sort of region coding for the games?

Oh i was gonna ask, what is the region coding situation with X360? Still locked i assume?

Can't wait till we have global consoles that can play any game from any region dammit.

Trawler · 22-Nov-2005, 10:45

IMO, the important thing is the decent pricing. Good to see that MS aren't giving us the shaft. They learnt their lesson from last time.

Besides, it gives me plenty of time to save up for a new home enterainment system and hopefully by March someone will have figured out how to play DIVX/XVID avis on the 360 so I can dump my oxbox.

Really looking forward to getting stuck into Neon...

croc hunter2 · 22-Nov-2005, 13:24

Its just horseshit really.

The region is the same,my AUS PS2 games are the same as the EUR PS2 games all the way down to the multi language choices on the front menu.

Finding the right plugs for an AUS release a 10 sec search.

Sony for Example treat AUS/NZ as a part of EUR because of the PAL thing.

MS can go and fuck themselves. per capita we are the best market @ about 40% market share but that only gets you bent over. bye bye 360

dantruon · 22-Nov-2005, 13:34

if it really gonna be released in march o fnext year down here, i guess there wont be much people buying the thing since the ps3 is just around the corner, well 6 months is just around the corner.

Shifty Geezer · 22-Nov-2005, 14:12

Unless that too get's an extra delay down south

london-boy · 22-Nov-2005, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantruon

if it really gonna be released in march o fnext year down here, i guess there wont be much people buying the thing since the ps3 is just around the corner, well 6 months is just around the corner.

Well that's unless Sony decide to do a MS and release PS3 5 months after European release, which is gonna be far away enough...

In any case, u're f**ked

Deepak · 22-Nov-2005, 18:34

When is it getting released here in India, any idea?

hugo · 22-Nov-2005, 18:36

In India?
Hahaahahaha

You don't even have decent broadband to start with.Duh!

#1gamer · 22-Nov-2005, 18:46

Question? Didnt the original XBox bomb in Japan? I know it is the majority of the video game market, but for some reason I thought the XBox didnt do very good there. You would think that they would send a few to Australia and NZ. And why does everyplace have to have a different coding and plugins. Can't we all just standardize. Is the Austalian plug the same as the euro? Or do they have a completly different one too?

Point is, if you really want one, I am sure there will be some on ebay soon enough. I remember when the XBox came out, there were people selling the box the console came in, just the box. And it sold for like $500. JUST A BOX!! People are crazy

-#1Gamer. Yeah Shifty, I do work for GameAlmanac.com. But you'll notice I have more posts now.

Deepak · 22-Nov-2005, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by hugo

In India?
Hahaahahaha

You don't even have decent broadband to start with.Duh!

It was a sarcastic remark incase you didn't get it.

Anyway wait till 2020 and you will see consoles getting launched in India/China alongwith US.

mech · 22-Nov-2005, 22:52

Microsoft's aussie website says no HD support in any of the games.

It's the same for all PAL websites.

http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/games/cata...0&s=2&p=1&c=10

What.. the... feck?

hey69 · 22-Nov-2005, 22:54

whats the deal, just import one from england or ANY european country.

hit ebay and buy it!

PARANOiA · 22-Nov-2005, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mech

Microsoft's aussie website says no HD support in any of the games.

It's the same for all PAL websites.

http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/games/cata...0&s=2&p=1&c=10

What.. the... feck?

The Xbox (1) didn't have HD support in Australia. I soft-modded my box to NTSC, and funnily enough I had HD-support. MS majorly fucked Oz with this one. Disabling it in software? Give me a fucking break.

Shifty Geezer · 22-Nov-2005, 23:19

Nice! What a worthless thing to do. It takes more effort to disable it then enable it. What the hell's it supposed to achieve? And for those saying SD quality on XB360 doesn't matter, it sure as hackers does when MS won't let you use HD output!

vjPiedPiper · 23-Nov-2005, 04:44

Well personally i dont mind waiting till march.
It will give me some time to save for a nice HDTV and the xb360.
plus the xbox's we get will most likely be 1.1 or 1.2 units making them much more reliable and bug free in my book.
Not to mention that by then LOTS of very good games will be out, GOW is my personal favorite atm.

To be honest i am suprised it is so soon, i wasn't expecting it till june or july next year.

Although i do know that Australia has just about the highest if not THE highest uptake of xbox's among any country it currently sells in????
maybe this is the reason MS is focusing on other markets first?

As for the HDTV disabling on PAL xbox's, i believe it was done becuase true PAL actually offers a better resolution than 480p, although not necc. a better framerate. (PAL60 just complicates things)

PAL is 720x576, 480p is what 720x480??
so remind me again why it was such a loss to lose the HDTV support?

- Hoping for a speccy new keywring to go with the one i got at the original xbox Aus launch

PP.

Bobbler · 23-Nov-2005, 05:00

The problem is that 720p is 1280x720 which is a bit better than 720x576 (over 2x). If I was in Australia I'd sure be pissed. Whats the point of the "hd era" if you can't partake in it? Sure games will look better, but a lot of the systems power would have gone to waste if its stuck in 720x576 res max.

Kind of a silly choice they made -- I thought that HD resolutions were territory ambiguous? (HD standards are seperate from ntsc/pal so 720p in ntsc areas is the same as it is in pal areas -- maybe I read wrong though?). It doesn't really make a lot of sense, at least from my perspective.

Is this non HD situation with all PAL territories or just Aus? I'd imagine there would have been an uprising if that was the case... Still very odd, regardless of how many people will be affected.

PARANOiA · 23-Nov-2005, 05:09

Plus you're excluding awesome widescreen support and progressive scan. If you've seen games running progressive scan over standard PAL resolutions, you'd know what you're missing.

And they took the HD pack off the market, so the best quality cabling the AU Xbox supports is S-Video. Have you tried hooking an SVideo input to a HDTV? ICK!

Seriously, the difference is huge.

22-Nov-2005, 08:05	#2
Martin Eddy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia,Brisbane Posts: 491	Yeah 2006 is right. I just posted a link to it in this thread. __________________ Busy playing XBOX 360!

22-Nov-2005, 08:28	#3
Bad_Boy god of war. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC. Posts: 3,347	bummer for the aussies. __________________ -BB\|

22-Nov-2005, 09:42	#4
Shifty Geezer Grumpy Mod Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a pretty pink padded cell Posts: 26,011	Hmmm, someone needs to explain to MS what 'worldwide' launch means. Recognising the existence of a Southern Hemisphere would be a god start. __________________ Shifty Geezer ... Tolerance for internet moronism is exhausted. Anyone talking about people's attitudes in the Console fora, rather than games and technology, will feel my wrath. Read the FAQ to remind yourself how to behave and avoid unsightly incidents.

22-Nov-2005, 10:09	#5
Martin Eddy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia,Brisbane Posts: 491	The problem is Australia is probably <5% of the worldwide market. If I was Microsoft I wouldn't give a damn about us either. Microsoft needs to make as big an impact in America, Europe and Japan as it possibly can. The upside for it being delayed 3 months down here is if there are any problems with the hardware, they most likely will be sorted out by the time we get an XBOX 360 in our hands. __________________ Busy playing XBOX 360!

22-Nov-2005, 10:17	#6
Andy Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 176	It's not so much the March launch that annoys it, it's more the fact we are a PAL territory, and hence, it should launch over here and New Zealand when all the other PAL terroritories get it ( ie Europe! ). Like I said in another thread, send over 10,000 our way for Christmas, and at that price, that should be plenty of units to satisfy the hardcore gamers hunger! Now I am just bitter, and will buy a PS3 first instead, and wait until the X360 drops a fair amount in price before I consider picking one up! __________________ A.K.A. stanDarsh from PSiNext

22-Nov-2005, 08:01	#1
PARANOiA Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,084	Australian Xbox 360 launch details From http://www.palgn.com.au/article.php?id=3465 - Midnight, March 2nd, 2005 - Premium pack - $650 - Core pack- $500 - 30 games at launch Not overly exciting, but we probably won't see the PS3 until 2007. Sucks to be me EDIT: I'm assuming the 2005 means 2006 heh heh

22-Nov-2005, 10:31	#7
london-boy Me me me Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,348	MARCH?! That's crap! Still, Australia must be in the region of 2% of the global videogame market, if even that. I think it's an even smaller market that the UK alone, so the fact that it's pretty much a "territory" of its own is always going to make it harder to market things down there. At least the UK is together with the rest of the European Union which makes us a third of the whole market, pretty much. Not that it ever mattered but anyway..

22-Nov-2005, 10:32	#8
Shifty Geezer Grumpy Mod Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a pretty pink padded cell Posts: 26,011	The only reason not to release to Australia is the transport. They can use English XB360s, and AFAIK only need a small amount. Australians aren;t as big into video games. Something to do with having beaches and barbies and better things to do with their time __________________ Shifty Geezer ... Tolerance for internet moronism is exhausted. Anyone talking about people's attitudes in the Console fora, rather than games and technology, will feel my wrath. Read the FAQ to remind yourself how to behave and avoid unsightly incidents.

22-Nov-2005, 10:45	#10
Trawler Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 243	IMO, the important thing is the decent pricing. Good to see that MS aren't giving us the shaft. They learnt their lesson from last time. Besides, it gives me plenty of time to save up for a new home enterainment system and hopefully by March someone will have figured out how to play DIVX/XVID avis on the 360 so I can dump my oxbox. Really looking forward to getting stuck into Neon...

22-Nov-2005, 13:24	#11
croc hunter2 Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: .au Posts: 61	Its just horseshit really. The region is the same,my AUS PS2 games are the same as the EUR PS2 games all the way down to the multi language choices on the front menu. Finding the right plugs for an AUS release a 10 sec search. Sony for Example treat AUS/NZ as a part of EUR because of the PAL thing. MS can go and fuck themselves. per capita we are the best market @ about 40% market share but that only gets you bent over. bye bye 360

22-Nov-2005, 13:34	#12
dantruon Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 487	if it really gonna be released in march o fnext year down here, i guess there wont be much people buying the thing since the ps3 is just around the corner, well 6 months is just around the corner. __________________ is all about the games !!

22-Nov-2005, 14:12	#13
Shifty Geezer Grumpy Mod Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a pretty pink padded cell Posts: 26,011	Unless that too get's an extra delay down south __________________ Shifty Geezer ... Tolerance for internet moronism is exhausted. Anyone talking about people's attitudes in the Console fora, rather than games and technology, will feel my wrath. Read the FAQ to remind yourself how to behave and avoid unsightly incidents.

22-Nov-2005, 18:34	#15
Deepak B3D Yoddha Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Nai Dilli (New Delhi), Bharat (India) Posts: 2,687	When is it getting released here in India, any idea?

22-Nov-2005, 18:36	#16
hugo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 172	In India? Hahaahahaha You don't even have decent broadband to start with.Duh!

22-Nov-2005, 18:46	#17
#1gamer Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23	Question? Didnt the original XBox bomb in Japan? I know it is the majority of the video game market, but for some reason I thought the XBox didnt do very good there. You would think that they would send a few to Australia and NZ. And why does everyplace have to have a different coding and plugins. Can't we all just standardize. Is the Austalian plug the same as the euro? Or do they have a completly different one too? Point is, if you really want one, I am sure there will be some on ebay soon enough. I remember when the XBox came out, there were people selling the box the console came in, just the box. And it sold for like $500. JUST A BOX!! People are crazy -#1Gamer. Yeah Shifty, I do work for GameAlmanac.com. But you'll notice I have more posts now.

22-Nov-2005, 22:52	#19
mech Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 535	Microsoft's aussie website says no HD support in any of the games. It's the same for all PAL websites. http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/games/cata...0&s=2&p=1&c=10 What.. the... feck?

22-Nov-2005, 22:54	#20
hey69 i have a monster Join Date: May 2003 Location: Belcika Posts: 2,931	whats the deal, just import one from england or ANY european country. hit ebay and buy it!

22-Nov-2005, 23:19	#22
Shifty Geezer Grumpy Mod Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a pretty pink padded cell Posts: 26,011	Nice! What a worthless thing to do. It takes more effort to disable it then enable it. What the hell's it supposed to achieve? And for those saying SD quality on XB360 doesn't matter, it sure as hackers does when MS won't let you use HD output! __________________ Shifty Geezer ... Tolerance for internet moronism is exhausted. Anyone talking about people's attitudes in the Console fora, rather than games and technology, will feel my wrath. Read the FAQ to remind yourself how to behave and avoid unsightly incidents.

23-Nov-2005, 04:44	#23
vjPiedPiper Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Melbourne Aus. Posts: 20	Well personally i dont mind waiting till march. It will give me some time to save for a nice HDTV and the xb360. plus the xbox's we get will most likely be 1.1 or 1.2 units making them much more reliable and bug free in my book. Not to mention that by then LOTS of very good games will be out, GOW is my personal favorite atm. To be honest i am suprised it is so soon, i wasn't expecting it till june or july next year. Although i do know that Australia has just about the highest if not THE highest uptake of xbox's among any country it currently sells in???? maybe this is the reason MS is focusing on other markets first? As for the HDTV disabling on PAL xbox's, i believe it was done becuase true PAL actually offers a better resolution than 480p, although not necc. a better framerate. (PAL60 just complicates things) PAL is 720x576, 480p is what 720x480?? so remind me again why it was such a loss to lose the HDTV support? - Hoping for a speccy new keywring to go with the one i got at the original xbox Aus launch PP.

23-Nov-2005, 05:00	#24
Bobbler Shazbot! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,827	The problem is that 720p is 1280x720 which is a bit better than 720x576 (over 2x). If I was in Australia I'd sure be pissed. Whats the point of the "hd era" if you can't partake in it? Sure games will look better, but a lot of the systems power would have gone to waste if its stuck in 720x576 res max. Kind of a silly choice they made -- I thought that HD resolutions were territory ambiguous? (HD standards are seperate from ntsc/pal so 720p in ntsc areas is the same as it is in pal areas -- maybe I read wrong though?). It doesn't really make a lot of sense, at least from my perspective. Is this non HD situation with all PAL territories or just Aus? I'd imagine there would have been an uprising if that was the case... Still very odd, regardless of how many people will be affected.

23-Nov-2005, 05:09	#25
PARANOiA Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,084	Plus you're excluding awesome widescreen support and progressive scan. If you've seen games running progressive scan over standard PAL resolutions, you'd know what you're missing. And they took the HD pack off the market, so the best quality cabling the AU Xbox supports is S-Video. Have you tried hooking an SVideo input to a HDTV? ICK! Seriously, the difference is huge.

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