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Old 05-Nov-2005, 18:47   #1
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Well, it seems that Microsoft has a 1 year launch window after all.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html

In my opinion, it now doesn't really matter if one console is technically superior to the other. Microsoft has this generation in the bag. Sony must have known that they would have been late quite a while ago (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showth...87#post571687).

I believe they run the risk of alienating their core audience by promising something they knew they could not deliver.

Thoughts?
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 18:49   #2
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First of all, this article is old, and was posted already (The Hollywood Reporter article). See: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25163

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In my opinion, it now doesn't really matter if one console is technically superior to the other. Microsoft has this generation in the bag.
Yeah, seems over.

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I believe they run the risk of alienating their core audience by promising something they knew they could not deliver.
Like what?

As for thoughts - duh. PS3 in Spring in Japan and late 06 in the US has always been the most likely option.

But we actually don't have any confirmation of a release period yet, for the US. The article contains the author's own statement that it'll release a year from now, which is likely derived from the "anonymous film exec" quote included in the article, not from Stringer or Sony.

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Old 05-Nov-2005, 19:30   #3
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In my opinion, it now doesn't really matter if one console is technically superior to the other. Microsoft has this generation in the bag. Sony must have known that they would have been late quite a while ago
WOW! Some people really do hate Sony. Man just wow. Why? What did they do to you as a child?
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 19:37   #4
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WOW! Some people really do hate Sony. Man just wow. Why? What did they do to you as a child?
Other children felt neglected because they gave all the love to you
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 19:38   #5
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WOW! Some people really do hate Sony. Man just wow. Why? What did they do to you as a child?
Such Q&A will not help anyone or anything in the long run. Let it pass.


As for the (rumored) 1 year head start in North America, MS will need it. NA is the only territory MS has shown they can go toe-to-toe with Sony and win, even if only by a sliver. They will need that success to bolster support in other regions. Heck, they might even sell 1 million X360's in Japan.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 19:39   #6
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It has been well established among this forum that Sony would launch the PS3 in Japan for spring 06 then in late fall 06 for north america.

Not only has that article been posted before but the news bit comes off as a "meh" since most people had a feeling the PS3 would likely be released in North america next fall.

And to say microsoft has this console "in the bag" is as laughable as saying the Leafs will win the Cup this year...

Come summer 06, the North american anticipation of the PS3 will become unbearable!
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 19:56   #7
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Being first doesnt mean you're going to be the best. Take a look at the Saturn.. or Dreamcast.

In fact, take a look at this comparison; http://360countdown.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 20:42   #8
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Well, it seems that Microsoft has a 1 year launch window after all.
Thoughts?
I think you're maths is way out. From article...
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In a demonstration of the swift collaborative response to consumer-driven marketplace changes that a revitalized Sony can deliver, the company soon will unveil a line of compact, portable video devices to fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.
With the article dated May this year, a year from May 05 is May 06. XB360 launches end of November. End of November 05 to May 06 isn't a year's headstart.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 20:52   #9
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I think you're maths is way out. From article...
With the article dated May this year, a year from May 05 is May 06. XB360 launches end of November. End of November 05 to May 06 isn't a year's headstart.
Um... The article is dated november.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 21:00   #10
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Sorry. Forgot it's a US site with stupidly backward dates
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 21:06   #11
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There is still an element of truth to your statement Shifty, the PS3 is expected to be released Spring 06 in Japan. Therefore, the 360 is technically having a few months head start not a year.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 21:12   #12
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MS does not have this next gen in the bag, like always, it's anyone's game.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 21:34   #13
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I don't see how an inferior console will win the next generation, against the dominate player, if they could not win the current generation with a much superior console. It makes no sense.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 22:23   #14
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I dont get how stubborn these people are. Last gen the ps2 was very disadvantage due to it lack of hardware supremacy and hard to developed for and the next gen, the ps3 will be the most powerful and relatively easier to develop for and Yet some people still think ps3 is the xbox of the current gen.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 22:36   #15
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I dont get how stubborn these people are. Last gen the ps2 was very disadvantage due to it lack of hardware supremacy and hard to developed for and the next gen, the ps3 will be the most powerful and relatively easier to develop for and Yet some people still think ps3 is the xbox of the current gen.
Ah but it had an 8 million unit head start. Dont casually leave that out!
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 22:51   #16
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Ah but it had an 8 million unit head start. Dont casually leave that out!
That was a factor among others. After all Sony's been a hardware player for a long time...
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 23:05   #17
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That was a factor among others. After all Sony's been a hardware player for a long time...
Yes, which is why i find it funny that the PS2 could possibly be chracterized as 'very disadvadvantaged' last generation.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 23:08   #18
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Yes, which is why i find it funny that the PS2 could possibly be chracterized as 'very disadvadvantaged' last generation.
Because it is harder to develop for than the Xbox. Some people tend to think that is a major disadvantage for the PS3 when compared to the 360 too.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 23:22   #19
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Because it is harder to develop for than the Xbox. Some people tend to think that is a major disadvantage for the PS3 when compared to the 360 too.
Yeah, but the PS2 headstart meant developers had no choice. They had to adapt or they'd lose out on a huge revenue stream. By the time XBox came out, the developers had already released major titles on PS2 and created game engines for it.

Its very different this time. MS made an excellent development platform and they're coming out first. The only disadvantage Microsoft has this time is fighting against the PlayStation brand.
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Old 05-Nov-2005, 23:24   #20
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Well, it seems that Microsoft has a 1 year launch window after all.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html

In my opinion, it now doesn't really matter if one console is technically superior to the other. Microsoft has this generation in the bag. Sony must have known that they would have been late quite a while ago (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showth...87#post571687).

I believe they run the risk of alienating their core audience by promising something they knew they could not deliver.

Thoughts?
It's an interesting interview and lends a lot of credence to those who still believe in Sony's Spring '06 launch and a price of 300-400. I find it interesting, especially given Merril Lynch's report that says Sony won't sell PS3 at a loss based on the CEO's financial guidance, and yet we have here the CEO saying "We'll subsidize the thing."

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Yeah, but the PS2 headstart meant developers had no choice. They had to adapt or they'd lose out on a huge revenue stream. By the time XBox came out, the developers had already released major titles on PS2 and created game engines for it.

Its very different this time. MS made an excellent development platform and they're coming out first. The only disadvantage Microsoft has this time is fighting against the PlayStation brand.
Also, the main thing is that by the time the xbox came out, the installed base of PS2 was large and exploding. There were no such guarantees on the xbox, regardless how successful its launch was. The choice on what to develop on was much more clear cut with PS2: Sony had been around, had a console that was steamrolling, and the alternatives were either unproven or less-conventional.
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It's an interesting interview and lends a lot of credence to those who still believe in Sony's Spring '06 launch and a price of 300-400. I find it interesting, especially given Merril Lynch's report that says Sony won't sell PS3 at a loss based on the CEO's financial guidance, and yet we have here the CEO saying "We'll subsidize the thing."

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The ML report is very vague about the no subsidy policy.

We know that more than 75% of Sony's revenues come from the CE division, and next year Sony Pictures should be receiving a windfall from the Da Vinci Code.

There's a strong possibility that if the CE division is able to turn itself around marginally and Sony Pictures generates some decent profits based on some of the titles lined up for it (Memoirs of a Geisha-DVD, Pink Panther) then a subsidised PS3 might not necessarily mean Sony will post a loss for FY2006.
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Ah but it had an 8 million unit head start. Dont casually leave that out!
Sony had a 5 million head start in North America, and now MS is at 11 million, and Sony almost at 40 million in North America. Sony has lapped MS like four times, and month to month continue to outsell them 3:1. Sony's early lead was only 5 million, now they are 29 million ahead.
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Sony had a 5 million head start in North America, and now MS is at 11 million, and Sony almost at 40 million in North America. Sony has lapped MS like four times, and month to month continue to outsell them 3:1. Sony's early lead was only 5 million, now they are 29 million ahead.
People always talk about the boxes sold, imo its more about the software than the hardware. How many titles did ps2 have when xbox released?
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Also, the main thing is that by the time the xbox came out, the installed base of PS2 was large and exploding. There were no such guarantees on the xbox, regardless how successful its launch was. The choice on what to develop on was much more clear cut with PS2: Sony had been around, had a console that was steamrolling, and the alternatives were either unproven or less-conventional.
wait a second, how about Dreamcast that was out before the ps2 ?
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