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Old 11-Nov-2005, 01:00   #701
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Well im drom Denmark and i talked to the shop TODAY. And guess what, they are sending my card tomorrow I got one from the first shipment. So yes it IS in Denmark
Nice but paying $890 for that card = ouch
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 01:13   #702
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But you have to admit - the fact that Walt is so quiet is proof positive of the state of the industry. Wait till the G80 flops and R600 is king - he'll be back with a vengeance!
I don't see a reason for anybody that's in the ATI camp to really switch over. The X1800 XT still offers MSAA on FP16 framebuffers, and will be faster for dynamic branching situations. It may also do better as its drivers mature.

But nVidia's going to have the trump in current benchmarks at least until ATI releases the R580, though by that time nVidia may be preparing to release their own 90nm version of the GTX.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 01:50   #703
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assuming ati doesn't release a new card in a month
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 02:02   #704
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assuming ati doesn't release a new card in a month
They'd have to be shipping the chips out to board vendors now, so I rather doubt it.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 02:19   #705
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They'd have to be shipping the chips out to board vendors now, so I rather doubt it.
Me too. They aren't even selling X1800XT in volume yet at $599. I would think the last thing they'd want is a credible rumor leaking from the AIBs that R580 will be here in a month. There is a bit of room tho between Anand's "CeBit" and "R580 is already ramping". Tho the closer to now they bring it, I would think the more annoyed the $599 X1800XT crowd will be. NV cut it pretty close at 4 months. I could see ATI shortening that, but one month? That I don't see.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 08:10   #706
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Here are some interesting posts from nvnews.net (for those too lazy to look themselves):

F.E.A.R 1600x1200/ 4x AA / 16x AF / Softshadows On
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=411

3DMark05with 7800 GTX 512 on a X2 3800+ at stock clocks:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=410
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=468

7800 GTX 512 overclocked to 600/1800 with overclocked X2 3800+ breaks
10K in 3DMark05:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=438

Very impressive card indeed.

Give me one. NOW!
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 09:50   #707
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As I posted a while back:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456

10105 on the XT OC'd. We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...

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Old 11-Nov-2005, 10:09   #708
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The XT can hit 10k without breaking a sweat, that doesn't necessarily translate into real world performance though.
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The XT can hit 10k without breaking a sweat, that doesn't necessarily translate into real world performance though.
Which is why we spent a while, back a few pages, discussing the effect of XT's memory architecture on performance - rather than core speed. Specifically for high AA/AF.

Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding on Monday...

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Old 11-Nov-2005, 11:03   #710
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As I posted a while back:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456

10105 on the XT OC'd. We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...
Without being picky:
The XT was overclocked from 625/700 to 729/828 and ran on an OC'ed X2 4400+
The 512 was overclocked from 580/865 to 600/900 and ran on an OC'ed X2 3800+

Bit of a difference....

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We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...
Really? I've missed that. Could you give a link?

Anyway, both cards are great and what I will get mainly depends on what will be available in germany on monday...
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A stock card: stock cooler, stock volts.

I didn't say stock clocks. God this is tedious sometimes.

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Old 11-Nov-2005, 11:53   #712
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Without being picky:
The XT was overclocked from 625/700 to 729/828 and ran on an OC'ed X2 4400+
The 512 was overclocked from 580/865 to 600/900 and ran on an OC'ed X2 3800+

Bit of a difference....
Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:02   #713
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Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX
It will be for certain brands, I think.

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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:02   #714
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Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX
It's the stock clock on the XFX the guy from nvnews.net got. That's stock enough for me.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:13   #715
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True, but I'm sure most reviews are going to bench with reference clocks come Monday. It's tempting to upgrade to this from a regular GTX but I only play WoW these days and who knows when the 512 is going to get trumped.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:29   #716
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That guy at nvnews said the box reported 550 for the core, so I guess that the clock will be 550 and that coolbits reads the vertex domain which is +30 over the pixel and ROPS domains, ie 580/550/550.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:33   #717
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... and who knows when the 512 is going to get trumped.
My bet is the R580 will arrive end of february (earliest) or (early to late) march, if there are no further problems. And we will probably see a nVidia high-end 90 nm G7x part as well, roughly in the same timeframe.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 12:36   #718
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That guy at nvnews said the box reported 550 for the core, so I guess that the clock will be 550 and that coolbits reads the vertex domain which is +30 over the pixel and ROPS domains, ie 580/550/550.
To quote Murray Walker, "Unless I am very much mistaken .. hold on, I am very much mistaken"

Sampsa reports that his clocks are all the same, also that it runs 1.5v and also that

" I'm at 625/1890 with default cooling "

which was nice
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 13:17   #719
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I'm really interested in seeing how the vertex tests go between an XT and GTX, both at 625 (assuming no delta on the GTX).
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 13:29   #720
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I'm really interested in seeing how the vertex tests go between an XT and GTX, both at 625 (assuming no delta on the GTX).
From the link below, Sampsa reaches 625/1900 on stock cooling. He also mentions all 3 clock domains report the same speed.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...84#post1130284
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 13:35   #721
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Oh.. a thought just dawned on me.. Maybe now we can do the *true* *efficiency* test?

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Well yeah, but you'd still have to disable 8 pipes on the GTX card.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 15:42   #723
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My bet is the R580 will arrive end of february (earliest) or (early to late) march, if there are no further problems. And we will probably see a nVidia high-end 90 nm G7x part as well, roughly in the same timeframe.
While I can't believe we'd see R580 before New Years (when you've got a new expensive part for sale and just hitting volume, why would you want to create any doubt in the market during the best shopping season of the year?), there have been enuf smirks around to make me think that Anand's "CeBit" (i.e. mid-March) is the outer bounds rather than the inner bounds.

As for NV, they've been pretty close-mouthed, but I'm not getting any sense they are close to anything on that front, and obviously they've got a new expensive part to sell without market-freezing distraction as well.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 15:47   #724
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ATI will be lucky to have the R520 shipping in quantity in a month. I dont think a new GPU is in the mix.
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Old 11-Nov-2005, 18:26   #725
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Looks like the last shots have yet to be fired.
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