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Pressure · 11-Nov-2005, 01:00

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Originally Posted by m4trix

Well im drom Denmark and i talked to the shop TODAY. And guess what, they are sending my card tomorrow

I got one from the first shipment. So yes it IS in Denmark

Nice but paying $890 for that card = ouch

Chalnoth · 11-Nov-2005, 01:13

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

But you have to admit - the fact that Walt is so quiet is proof positive of the state of the industry. Wait till the G80 flops and R600 is king - he'll be back with a vengeance!

I don't see a reason for anybody that's in the ATI camp to really switch over. The X1800 XT still offers MSAA on FP16 framebuffers, and will be faster for dynamic branching situations. It may also do better as its drivers mature.

But nVidia's going to have the trump in current benchmarks at least until ATI releases the R580, though by that time nVidia may be preparing to release their own 90nm version of the GTX.

jvd · 11-Nov-2005, 01:50

assuming ati doesn't release a new card in a month

Chalnoth · 11-Nov-2005, 02:02

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Originally Posted by jvd

assuming ati doesn't release a new card in a month

They'd have to be shipping the chips out to board vendors now, so I rather doubt it.

Geo · 11-Nov-2005, 02:19

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Originally Posted by Chalnoth

They'd have to be shipping the chips out to board vendors now, so I rather doubt it.

Me too. They aren't even selling X1800XT in volume yet at $599.

I would think the last thing they'd want is a credible rumor leaking from the AIBs that R580 will be here in a month. There is a bit of room tho between Anand's "CeBit" and "R580 is already ramping". Tho the closer to now they bring it, I would think the more annoyed the $599 X1800XT crowd will be. NV cut it pretty close at 4 months. I could see ATI shortening that, but one month? That I don't see.

N00b · 11-Nov-2005, 08:10

Here are some interesting posts from nvnews.net (for those too lazy to look themselves):

F.E.A.R 1600x1200/ 4x AA / 16x AF / Softshadows On
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=411

3DMark05with 7800 GTX 512 on a X2 3800+ at stock clocks:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=410
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=468

7800 GTX 512 overclocked to 600/1800 with overclocked X2 3800+ breaks
10K in 3DMark05:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=438

Very impressive card indeed.

Give me one. NOW!

Jawed · 11-Nov-2005, 09:50

As I posted a while back:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456

10105 on the XT OC'd. We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...

Jawed

ANova · 11-Nov-2005, 10:09

The XT can hit 10k without breaking a sweat, that doesn't necessarily translate into real world performance though.

Jawed · 11-Nov-2005, 10:13

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Originally Posted by ANova

The XT can hit 10k without breaking a sweat, that doesn't necessarily translate into real world performance though.

Which is why we spent a while, back a few pages, discussing the effect of XT's memory architecture on performance - rather than core speed. Specifically for high AA/AF.

Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding on Monday...

Jawed

N00b · 11-Nov-2005, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Jawed

As I posted a while back:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456

10105 on the XT OC'd. We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...

Without being picky:
The XT was overclocked from 625/700 to 729/828 and ran on an OC'ed X2 4400+
The 512 was overclocked from 580/865 to 600/900 and ran on an OC'ed X2 3800+

Bit of a difference....

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Originally Posted by Jawed

We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card...

Really? I've missed that. Could you give a link?

Anyway, both cards are great and what I will get mainly depends on what will be available in germany on monday...

Jawed · 11-Nov-2005, 11:41

A stock card: stock cooler, stock volts.

I didn't say stock clocks. God this is tedious sometimes.

Jawed

trinibwoy · 11-Nov-2005, 11:53

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Originally Posted by N00b

Without being picky:
The XT was overclocked from 625/700 to 729/828 and ran on an OC'ed X2 4400+
The 512 was overclocked from 580/865 to 600/900 and ran on an OC'ed X2 3800+

Bit of a difference....

Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX

Arun · 11-Nov-2005, 12:02

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX

It will be for certain brands, I think.

Uttar

N00b · 11-Nov-2005, 12:02

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Well without being picky, 580 may not be "stock" on the GTX

It's the stock clock on the XFX the guy from nvnews.net got. That's stock enough for me.

trinibwoy · 11-Nov-2005, 12:13

True, but I'm sure most reviews are going to bench with reference clocks come Monday. It's tempting to upgrade to this from a regular GTX but I only play WoW these days and who knows when the 512 is going to get trumped.

dizietsma · 11-Nov-2005, 12:29

That guy at nvnews said the box reported 550 for the core, so I guess that the clock will be 550 and that coolbits reads the vertex domain which is +30 over the pixel and ROPS domains, ie 580/550/550.

N00b · 11-Nov-2005, 12:33

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

... and who knows when the 512 is going to get trumped.

My bet is the R580 will arrive end of february (earliest) or (early to late) march, if there are no further problems. And we will probably see a nVidia high-end 90 nm G7x part as well, roughly in the same timeframe.

dizietsma · 11-Nov-2005, 12:36

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Originally Posted by dizietsma

That guy at nvnews said the box reported 550 for the core, so I guess that the clock will be 550 and that coolbits reads the vertex domain which is +30 over the pixel and ROPS domains, ie 580/550/550.

To quote Murray Walker, "Unless I am very much mistaken .. hold on, I am very much mistaken"

Sampsa reports that his clocks are all the same, also that it runs 1.5v and also that

" I'm at 625/1890 with default cooling "

which was nice

trinibwoy · 11-Nov-2005, 13:17

I'm really interested in seeing how the vertex tests go between an XT and GTX, both at 625 (assuming no delta on the GTX).

lopri · 11-Nov-2005, 13:29

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

I'm really interested in seeing how the vertex tests go between an XT and GTX, both at 625 (assuming no delta on the GTX).

From the link below, Sampsa reaches 625/1900 on stock cooling. He also mentions all 3 clock domains report the same speed.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...84#post1130284

lopri · 11-Nov-2005, 13:35

Oh.. a thought just dawned on me.. Maybe now we can do the *true* *efficiency* test?

Subtlesnake · 11-Nov-2005, 13:59

Well yeah, but you'd still have to disable 8 pipes on the GTX card.

Geo · 11-Nov-2005, 15:42

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Originally Posted by N00b

My bet is the R580 will arrive end of february (earliest) or (early to late) march, if there are no further problems. And we will probably see a nVidia high-end 90 nm G7x part as well, roughly in the same timeframe.

While I can't believe we'd see R580 before New Years (when you've got a new expensive part for sale and just hitting volume, why would you want to create any doubt in the market during the best shopping season of the year?), there have been enuf smirks around to make me think that Anand's "CeBit" (i.e. mid-March) is the outer bounds rather than the inner bounds.

As for NV, they've been pretty close-mouthed, but I'm not getting any sense they are close to anything on that front, and obviously they've got a new expensive part to sell without market-freezing distraction as well.

Maintank · 11-Nov-2005, 15:47

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Originally Posted by jvd

assuming ati doesn't release a new card in a month

ATI will be lucky to have the R520 shipping in quantity in a month. I dont think a new GPU is in the mix.

kemosabe · 11-Nov-2005, 18:26

Looks like the last shots have yet to be fired.

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11-Nov-2005, 08:10	#706
N00b Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 568	Here are some interesting posts from nvnews.net (for those too lazy to look themselves): F.E.A.R 1600x1200/ 4x AA / 16x AF / Softshadows On http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=411 3DMark05with 7800 GTX 512 on a X2 3800+ at stock clocks: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=410 http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=468 7800 GTX 512 overclocked to 600/1800 with overclocked X2 3800+ breaks 10K in 3DMark05: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=438 Very impressive card indeed. Give me one. NOW!

11-Nov-2005, 09:50	#707
Jawed Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 9,864	As I posted a while back: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33834456 10105 on the XT OC'd. We've already seen 10,000 on a stock card... Jawed

11-Nov-2005, 10:09	#708
ANova Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,226	The XT can hit 10k without breaking a sweat, that doesn't necessarily translate into real world performance though.

11-Nov-2005, 11:41	#711
Jawed Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 9,864	A stock card: stock cooler, stock volts. I didn't say stock clocks. God this is tedious sometimes. Jawed

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trinibwoy Meh Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 9,809	True, but I'm sure most reviews are going to bench with reference clocks come Monday. It's tempting to upgrade to this from a regular GTX but I only play WoW these days and who knows when the 512 is going to get trumped.

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dizietsma Naughty Boy! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,172	That guy at nvnews said the box reported 550 for the core, so I guess that the clock will be 550 and that coolbits reads the vertex domain which is +30 over the pixel and ROPS domains, ie 580/550/550.

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trinibwoy Meh Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 9,809	I'm really interested in seeing how the vertex tests go between an XT and GTX, both at 625 (assuming no delta on the GTX).

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