[overclocked]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Definitely; IMO NVIDIA wouldn't have had such an easy stroll if R520 would had been released about the same time and with high enough quantities for the highest model.

Sure i agree with that. But at the same you could get SLI also, then theres brand loyality and many other factors but we on the other hand really dont know how fast it is yet, feature-wise its great.

Originally Posted by Chalnoth

Nah, not really. I'm of the opinion that that will work itself out. If you can't buy it, you can't buy it. If ATI can't release the XT in volume, and if the GTX is considered to be better than the best ATI can release in volume, then more people will choose the GTX.

So I'd rather just focus on looking at the technology and performance of the product. Leave whether or not it's available to the people who are actually planning to upgrade (I'll probably have my 6600 GT until sometime late next year, as I just don't have much cash at the moment).

Well i agree with this also as im self not going to buy any new computer untill Vista.
I took what you wrote in your list more as i said "general" in this case and its always easy looking back and se what the "right" choise would been.

I think esp the 512 and also the 256 versions of the X1800XT pricing IS very strange because if you have that performance advantage ATI is suggesting plus the fact of expensive FAST memory i take this as an indication of low volume parts, but i could be wrong. But that bit really striked from when i first read the ATI pappers.

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by overclocked

Sure i agree with that. But at the same you could get SLI also, then theres brand loyality and many other factors but we on the other hand really dont know how fast it is yet, feature-wise its great.

Multi-GPU configs are an entire story of their own; even a high end gamer will consider the extra cost for such a system. While there are definitely customers for such systems, the market share is also diametrically smaller than the remaining high end segment of the market.

As for the feature-set I count this far the ability to combine 64bpp HDR + MSAA and the new less angle dependent AF mode. Of course is there also adaptive AA, but since it's there on competitive products I won't count it as an advantage. All the remaining aspects - possible advantages and disadvantages - when it comes to features/functionalities are mainly of developer interest.

[overclocked]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Multi-GPU configs are an entire story of their own; even a high end gamer will consider the extra cost for such a system. While there are definitely customers for such systems, the market share is also diametrically smaller than the remaining high end segment of the market.

As for the feature-set I count this far the ability to combine 64bpp HDR + MSAA and the new less angle dependent AF mode. Of course is there also adaptive AA, but since it's there on competitive products I won't count it as an advantage. All the remaining aspects - possible advantages and disadvantages - when it comes to features/functionalities are mainly of developer interest.

Well i think your right but in that perspective, that we know the performance and/or hit with AA+FP16HDR. But for now we dont know but soon we will.
There also a couple of more things you could add as noise,power,heat and some may find it impracical with a dualslot heatsink, the list goes on.

[Skrying]

We dont know noise, heat or power. Dual slot is a given, though I think most of the people who will be buying these cards really doesnt care about dual slot unless its a shuttle or similair system. Also, I personally much rather have a dual slot if it moves the hot air out of my case, something I really dislike about the 7800GTX cooler is that it just recirculates the hot air around in the case, that's also why I like Nv/ATI Silencer's over say a Zalman VGA cooler.

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by Skrying

We dont know noise, heat or power. Dual slot is a given, though I think most of the people who will be buying these cards really doesnt care about dual slot unless its a shuttle or similair system. Also, I personally much rather have a dual slot if it moves the hot air out of my case, something I really dislike about the 7800GTX cooler is that it just recirculates the hot air around in the case, that's also why I like Nv/ATI Silencer's over say a Zalman VGA cooler.

Yep, don't care about dual-slot either since I'll only have a single card anyway. And I agree that exhausting out the case is best - I miss my Silencer.

[rwolf]

Originally Posted by Chalnoth

I'm just taking this from the perspective of a scientist. You really have to have independent verification to be sure of the results of any experiement.

David Kirk?