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jvd · 27-Aug-2005, 14:56

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/...VAhBWJPUsL.php

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Team Smartxx managed to get their hands on several XeXDKs (Xbox 360 Development Kits). They opened the box and removed the heatsink to show you the full motherboard with over 40 High-Res pictures

30megs of pictures

http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-21.JPG
http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-45.JPG
http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-15.JPG

jvd · 27-Aug-2005, 14:59

I don't care for the fact that the head phones come out of the bottom of the controller . looks akward

J_Saint · 27-Aug-2005, 15:29

I'm just glad the volume/mute controls are still located by the controller for easy adjustment. I was thinking there was some inline controls dangling down with the cord.

Qroach · 27-Aug-2005, 15:34

Having the head phone jack at the top of the controller would be a bad idea. putting it at the bottom prevents the cord from touching your hands. It would be more akward the other way around.

jvd · 27-Aug-2005, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Qroach

Having the head phone jack at the top of the controller would be a bad idea. putting it at the bottom prevents the cord from touching your hands. It would be more akward the other way around.

you think so ? I dunno i'm used to the head phones coming from the top like on my old discman and my ipod .

Mabye your right .

Anyway i figured the pics of the mobo and chips would be interesting to everyone here

one · 27-Aug-2005, 15:53

Is this an external AC adapter?

http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-01.JPG

J_Saint · 27-Aug-2005, 15:53

Whatever helps get us the next gen XBMC sooner.

McHuj · 27-Aug-2005, 17:26

The real question is: Will they have a mod chip ready for launch?

This is too funny. I cannot believe how bad MS is at controlling leaks. There's not a peep about either Sony or Nintendo.

m4trix · 27-Aug-2005, 17:59

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Originally Posted by McHuj

The real question is: Will they have a mod chip ready for launch?

This is too funny. I cannot believe how bad MS is at controlling leaks. There's not a peep about either Sony or Nintendo.

Maybe they want it to leak....

Alpha_Spartan · 27-Aug-2005, 18:00

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Is this an external AC adapter?

http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-01.JPG

External power supply like the GCN. Help keeps the console smaller and cooler and it has a built in fail safe for the people afraid that the Xbox 360 might burn down their house.

BRiT · 27-Aug-2005, 18:54

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Originally Posted by McHuj

This is too funny. I cannot believe how bad MS is at controlling leaks. There's not a peep about either Sony or Nintendo.

That's because Sony and Nintendo are still in the vaporware category of being at least 9 months away from launch. Lets see how they leak when they're less than 3 months from widespread product availability.

Guden Oden · 27-Aug-2005, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Alpha_Spartan

External power supply like the GCN. Help keeps the console smaller and cooler and it has a built in fail safe for the people afraid that the Xbox 360 might burn down their house.

Except, 360 has an internal power supply, as evidenced by the 3-prong PC-style power connector on the lower back of the (standard production) unit... Also, power supplies - correctly designed - are not a major source of heat.

Pete · 27-Aug-2005, 19:04

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Originally Posted by one

Is this an external AC adapter?

http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/X...-xbx360-01.JPG

213W, eh? 'S more than I thought, but maybe the dev kits have extra bits.

scooby_dooby · 27-Aug-2005, 19:50

nice. check out the samsung drive!

finally a console that will be a reliable long lasting DVD player.

dskneo · 27-Aug-2005, 20:28

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Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

nice. check out the samsung drive!

finally a console that will be a reliable long lasting DVD player.

mine as 3 months and already makes noises and fails to read sometimes. And yes, it worked perfectly in the first 2 months.

Alpha_Spartan · 27-Aug-2005, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Guden Oden

Except, 360 has an internal power supply, as evidenced by the 3-prong PC-style power connector on the lower back of the (standard production) unit... Also, power supplies - correctly designed - are not a major source of heat.

I've never seen a standard PSU that wasn't a major source of heat. Even the external laptop PSU's burn to the touch.

We haven't seen a production Xbox 360 in the wild yet. I'm willing to bet that it has the same PSU hardware as the dev kits.

Acert93 · 27-Aug-2005, 22:41

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Originally Posted by BRiT

That's because Sony and Nintendo are still in the vaporware category of being at least 9 months away from launch. Lets see how they leak when they're less than 3 months from widespread product availability.

MS has had a lot of problems with leaks, and not just recently:

- System target specs/plans were leaked
- The 360 name was leaked
- Pictures of the system were leaked before its official announcement
- The price was leaked
- Multiple SKU information was leaked (btw, the original leak was a Non-HDD, HDD, and a PC version...)
- HDD not being standard was leaked
- Etc.

A lot has been leaked from the MS camp. Why? I don't know. But they definately do not have very good control on information.

london-boy · 27-Aug-2005, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Alpha_Spartan

I've never seen a standard PSU that wasn't a major source of heat. Even the external laptop PSU's burn to the touch.

We haven't seen a production Xbox 360 in the wild yet. I'm willing to bet that it has the same PSU hardware as the dev kits.

Burn to the touch?? I think if you have an external PSU that gets that hot, you should have it checked cause that's not right. It should be warm, not burning hot.

max-pain · 27-Aug-2005, 22:59

800MHz GDDR 3 SDRAM

wow

Pete · 27-Aug-2005, 22:59

Though I only had it for a few days, I don't recall the external PSU on a Shuttle Zen going beyond warm into hot territory.

I've met my share of AC adapters that got hot, but I suspect that's more cheap parts than a rule of the design. The Xbox probably has a fairly narrow range of expected power draw, too, which I expect translates into higher efficiency than typical PSUs. Fanless PSUs can be over 90% efficient, AFAIK, and that's with active PFC. Translated to that 213W Xbox PSU, that means as little as 20W waste heat.

-NakedZ- · 28-Aug-2005, 02:03

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Originally Posted by scooby_dooby

nice. check out the samsung drive!

finally a console that will be a reliable long lasting DVD player.

From what I read, the drive is a joint venture between Samsung and Toshiba. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.

Perhaps the final production 360 would be slightly different than the kits, but it'll be sad for MS if the modders crack it before launch, or if not, soon after.

- Z

Acert93 · 28-Aug-2005, 02:36

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Originally Posted by max-pain

800MHz GDDR 3 SDRAM

wow

Where are you seeing that? That is interesting.

Btw, on the site I see

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the aircooled heatsinks of CPU (left) and GPU (right)

Air cooled eh? They note the final retail version of the CPU will be water cooled but this DOES make me scratch my head some. If they are able to hit 500MHz with Xenos air cooled, would it not be possible to hit 550-600+ with a small fan? That is a 10-20% increase in performance. Maybe they are passively cooled because they are the underclocked chips... or maybe they trust devs not to use them in a house that is 95 degrees or to leave them in direct sunlight while in use?

I know there were some complaints about the noise with Xbox1... but me, personally... I would take an extra 20% in performance and a little fan noise than no fan noise and a little less performance. Although I have a quite PSU, Quiet CPU Fan, and Quite GPU Fan on my PC... of course that is because I cannot stand the noise when I am working. Never bothered me when I gamed when I had the loud junk in there.

Alpha_Spartan · 28-Aug-2005, 03:15

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Originally Posted by london-boy

Burn to the touch?? I think if you have an external PSU that gets that hot, you should have it checked cause that's not right. It should be warm, not burning hot.

It's not warm, it's hot to the touch. It's normal operating temps. The same goes for your run of the mill PC PSU.

gokickrocks · 28-Aug-2005, 04:21

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Originally Posted by max-pain

800MHz GDDR 3 SDRAM

wow

Where are you seeing that? That is interesting.

2nd pic posted above shows memory part# and if you go to http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semi...raphicsMemory/ , you will see that its 16x32 gddr3 800mhz

Acert93 · 28-Aug-2005, 04:31

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Originally Posted by gokickrocks

2nd pic posted above shows memory part# and if you go to http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semi...raphicsMemory/ , you will see that its 16x32 gddr3 800mhz

It would sure be nice if they bumped the memory and GPU frequencies up. I say stick a snow blower on the puppy and overclock it out of the box. Quick, someone get BFG on the horn and tell them to help MS out

Xbox 360 Core System
Xbox 360 Premium
Xbox 360 OC (faster memory, OC GPU, larger HDD -- for the hardcore gamer!)

Woot!

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Pete Moderate Nuisance Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,664	Though I only had it for a few days, I don't recall the external PSU on a Shuttle Zen going beyond warm into hot territory. I've met my share of AC adapters that got hot, but I suspect that's more cheap parts than a rule of the design. The Xbox probably has a fairly narrow range of expected power draw, too, which I expect translates into higher efficiency than typical PSUs. Fanless PSUs can be over 90% efficient, AFAIK, and that's with active PFC. Translated to that 213W Xbox PSU, that means as little as 20W waste heat.

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