[pc999]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/02/comm...ming/index.htm

The Revolution will use cutting edge technology, but it's ultimately about how that technology is used," he said. "We asked ourselves 'why would a family need or want to have a gaming console?' The answer is what's driving development of the Revolution."

[Pozer]

Like anyone expected him to say "I can't wait to get a ps3!!!!" or "Im so addicted to Halo". Nintendo is a very traditional japanese company, maybe too traditional. I truly hope they have something great up their sleaves for the Revolution. The back catalog for free idea is good but that isn't gonna get them into 2nd place.

Scary to think there hasn't been a ground breaking Mario game released in almost 10 years. Mario Sunshine was good, but it wasn't MArio64 or Super MArio 3.

[Guden Oden]

Innovation is dying? No shit sherlock, all you people at nintendo are doing is releasing motherfeckin' mario games!

How about a bloody violent FPS for ONCE IN YOUR LIVES? While FPSes are hardly new (or original), one coming from nintendo would be.

[see colon]

How about a bloody violent FPS for ONCE IN YOUR LIVES? While FPSes are hardly new (or original), one coming from nintendo would be.

ummm....
http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/act...x.html?q=geist

[pc999]

Originally Posted by see colon

ummm....
http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/act...x.html?q=geist

That is not enough

[jvd]

Originally Posted by Guden Oden

Innovation is dying? No shit sherlock, all you people at nintendo are doing is releasing motherfeckin' mario games!

How about a bloody violent FPS for ONCE IN YOUR LIVES? While FPSes are hardly new (or original), one coming from nintendo would be.

Sorry but u really think that blood and violence is inovative ? I think not .

[pc999]

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/def...sectionid=1587

Harrison then confirmed that past-gen, Nintendo-created titles will indeed be downloadable for free.

It is true?Or it is the same thing from the other post?

If true I am sold

[Goragoth]

I prefer lots of different games with the same characters than the same friggin game over and over just with different characters. But hey, that's just me.

If its true that old Nintendo games will be free I'll be all over this thing. Even a monthly subscription that gives you access to the entire catalogue would be cool, but if they want to give it away for free then even better!

[Pozer]

Originally Posted by Goragoth

I prefer lots of different games with the same characters than the same friggin game over and over just with different characters. But hey, that's just me.

If its true that old Nintendo games will be free I'll be all over this thing. Even a monthly subscription that gives you access to the entire catalogue would be cool, but if they want to give it away for free then even better!

I prefer different games with different characters. But Nintendo for the past 20 years has been giving alot of the same games, with same characters, but better graphics. I admit they have been mixing it up a quite a bit with some original stuff. I think whats frustrating is their lack of imagination to create any new characters that are interesting.

Personally I dont care for a past library for 4 reasons.
1. I've played those games to death in my youth and have had all the roms for years.
2. When I was playing Super MArio Bros. I was dreaming of one daying playing something that looked like Gears of War or Killzone2.
3. Newer games have killed my attention span for those older games. I can't play them as long as I use to.
4. Im a closet MAster Sytem lover.

[BlueTsunami]

Originally Posted by Pozer

I prefer different games with different characters. But Nintendo for the past 20 years has been giving alot of the same games, with same characters, but better graphics. I admit they have been mixing it up a quite a bit with some original stuff. I think whats frustrating is their lack of imagination to create any new characters that are interesting.

Personally I dont care for a past library for 4 reasons.
1. I've played those games to death in my youth and have had all the roms for years.
2. When I was playing Super MArio Bros. I was dreaming of one daying playing something that looked like Gears of War or Killzone2.
3. Newer games have killed my attention span for those older games. I can't play them as long as I use to.
4. Im a closet MAster Sytem lover.

Closet Master System lover!!!!!! ME TO!!!!

But honestly, I like seeing Mario in different scenarios but with better graphics (throughout the years). But I think its starting to get pretty pitiful, theres no denying some of the games are fun (I like Mario Sunshine) but I see Nintendo milking their first party games till the end of time. Nintendo is going down the route of appealing to the exact opposite of hardcore gamers....is that good or bad....I guess thats a matter of opinion. (I think its cool that their trying to bring old and young into the mix, I don't really mind it because I'll be getting two Next Gen systems...Revolution and the PS3)

[AlStrong]

I'm sold if they have FF3/6 and a bunch of other RPGs from SNES.

[quest55720]

If one of the old games is WWF No Mercy then I will have to buy a revolution. Kind of sad that an N64 game is still the best american based wrestling game.

[Acert93]

Originally Posted by quest55720

If one of the old games is WWF No Mercy then I will have to buy a revolution. Kind of sad that an N64 game is still the best american based wrestling game.

The Aki wrestling games had by far the best gameplay IMO (nice balance of striking/grapple moves that were timing based, not smash and tap button based) + had really good create a wrestler modes with a LOT of moves. I do not even watch wrestling, but the Aki games were some of the BEST "fighting" games last gen.

I was dissappointed to see those kind of dissappear

[Farid]

Originally Posted by pc999

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36071&s ubsectionid=1587

It is true?Or it is the same thing from the other post?

If true I am sold

It's not true, George Harrison didn't confirm what GamesRadar claims.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05...s_6126595.html

GH: That will be a number of things. I mean, certainly the virtual console concept we describe with the ability to download the past Nintendo games is going to make it very unique. Not that someone else couldn't add that function, but they certainly can't add that kind of library and that kind of archive.

GS: Do you plan on having like a per-download pricing model along the lines of the microtransactions that will be used in the next-gen Xbox marketplace?

GH: Well, we can use it in a variety of ways. We've used some of the older games already as little bonuses, either as bonus gifts or hidden in levels of games. Certainly for the first-party titles we'll be making some of those available. We haven't really talked about whether we would sell them. The third parties can make their own decision whether they want to sell them, or maybe they will add it on as sort of a free benefit when you buy a current version of the game.

Gamesradar journalists are either doing sensationalism, or they experience some difficulty with reading comprehension these days.

[Farid]

Originally Posted by Acert93

I was dissappointed to see those kind of dissappear

Def Jam: Vendetta and Def Jam:FFNY are wrestling games, from this generation, made by AKI(Well, actually co-developed by AKI.).

[quest55720]

Originally Posted by Vysez

Def Jam: Vendetta and Def Jam:FFNY are wrestling games, from this generation, made by AKI(Well, actually co-developed by AKI.).

It is not the same though I like Def Jam 1 but it did not have the great features of No Mercy. I also thought that def jam plays to fast I like the slower No Mercy because I am a fan of wrestling sims.

[mckmas8808]

Yeah Nintendo does do innovative things but lets be honest. If I created 10 games and all 10 of them used the same exact characters it really wouldn't be hard to come up with a different and new idea. As a matter of fact I think thats what makes them come up with different ideas. The fact that they use the same characters they have to do something different.

[Acert93]

Originally Posted by mckmas8808

Yeah Nintendo does do innovative things but lets be honest. If I created 10 games and all 10 of them used the same exact characters it really wouldn't be hard to come up with a different and new idea. As a matter of fact I think thats what makes them come up with different ideas. The fact that they use the same characters they have to do something different.

I guess new characters are not required to be innovative, at least not to me.

Mario 64 was innovative. I could not think of a better franchise to take the leap into the 3D platform realm. Cell Shaded Zelda was definately innovative. A 3D First Person Action/Adventure Metroid really fit the genre perfectly. The new mature Link is just WOW.

I guess I look at it like a book. I enjoy series that revolve around a single character or group of characters. You really get to know them and like seeing how they do in different situations. True, some of the Nintendo franchises follow a pretty linear story (how many times must I save Peach? Or Zelda?), but they often introduce a new back story, new play mechanics and innovations, so it seems fresh--yet familiar.

The problem with Nintendo is 3rd party support. Nintendo has excellent first party performance. Not for everyones tastes, but neither is GTA3 and Tekken. Nintendo seems to have really alienated a lot of 3rd parties and I do not see that changing at all. And unless I see that change that will be the #1 reason I wont get a Rev (at least not at launch). That is why I am looking at the PS3 and Xbox 360 seriously.

Online, native VGA monitor support, exclusives, and KB/MS are what I am really weighing and so far there is not enough information to make an informed decision.

[mckmas8808]

Mario 64 was innovative. I could not think of a better franchise to take the leap into the 3D platform realm. Cell Shaded Zelda was definately innovative. A 3D First Person Action/Adventure Metroid really fit the genre perfectly. The new mature Link is just WOW.

Great, great point Acert93. Great point and thats why I say that Sony is too very innovative. I hate it when the meda and normal gamers say that Nintendo is innvovative and act as if Sony isn't.

Sony has done very innovative things too. I like to think like you and consider new gameplay mechanics innovative. To me things like Okami, Eyetoy, DVDs in consoles, handhelds that can play movies and music and get on the internet, Dance Dance Revolution, GTA 3 series and up, and many other things are also innovative.

I just don't see why Sony also gets shafted by Nintendo when it comes to being considered innovative.

[Acert93]

Originally Posted by mckmas8808

Great, great point Acert93. Great point and thats why I say that Sony is too very innovative. I hate it when the meda and normal gamers say that Nintendo is innvovative and act as if Sony isn't.

It is the PR game. Sony has certain strengths, like a mature audiance and franchises. Sony considers the steps they have taken toward opening up the market to mature gamers as "innovative" and what Nintendo does as "same old console stuff".

It is just a POV, and Sony's PR is paid to maximize their strengths and downplay their competitors. MS has done this really well with Nintendo. They really coined the "Nintendo is a niche player" and so far I have not seen Nintendo do enough to avert that label.

Sony has done very innovative things too. I like to think like you and consider new gameplay mechanics innovative. To me things like Okami, Eyetoy, DVDs in consoles, handhelds that can play movies and music and get on the internet, Dance Dance Revolution, GTA 3 series and up, and many other things are also innovative.

Of course, they all have innovations in their own ways. Those innovations appeal to different markets and exert a different degree in each situation. There is no doubting each has been innovative in their own ways. But innovation only goes so far. Some of the best games made sell poorly; and yet movie licensed games do well (even if they stink).

Innovation is rarely enough anymore. That is why they tie those innovations to franchises--people can see eye to eye with them.

I just don't see why Sony also gets shafted by Nintendo when it comes to being considered innovative.

Again, PR. Nintendo feels the console industry is going the "movie" route--bigger budget games, less risk and innovation in "fun" just a lot of the same stuff over and over again. They feel the industry is getting too expensive and cutting out the smaller developers and that pushing only "sure fire" concepts and games with licenses stifles imagination and new game styles.

And to a degree that IS true. And looking at some really feature poor, and even abysmal games just like that, I see where they are coming from. But so what? Doing something different just to be different does NOT equal better either. This was debated in the PDZ thread recently. A couple posters were bashing PDZ because it did not include enough "totally new stuff" and relied too heavily on past Rare games (even though other games did not use many of those features). A good game franchise builds on its achievements and refines/discards the failures.

When we pick up our favorite game--be it a Tekken, Madden, Halo, GTA, whatever--we are not necessarily looking for something radically new. We like those franchises because they are GREAT games. We want more levels, better graphics, new animations, new elements and stories, etc...

So I think innovation can be overblown also. On the one hand Nintendogs is VERY innovative and opens up the gaming market to new consumers. Yet you cannot your nose inspite of your face. Core gamers, hardcore and casual gamers alike, like certain genres and it is important for companies to offer these.

I think that is Nintendo's big problem right there. They have some of the best games around (in my opinion a good portion of the 10 best games this gen). The problem is they are not filling up the other genres that are popular and have not gotten the 3rd parties to help.

MS, with a much MUCH weaker 1st/2nd party portfolio at least hits more genres. And of course this is where Sony excells. The biggest games on the PS are not Sony 1st party games (at least not most of them). For every GT there is a Tekken, MGS, GTA, etc... They scored VF4 and so on.

The more major genres you fill in the more consumers, and variety of consumers, you will attract. I see both MS and Sony improving in this area. I actually see Nintendo taking steps backwards. That does not mean Nintendo wont be profitable or that they are working on things behind the scenes. They may very well be. But I have heard that for years, and looking at the GCN lineup and release schedule for 2005, I can say with some confidence it has not been enough.

Anyhow, they all attack eachother to some degree. I would say Nintendo is the most civil of the big three and do articulate their concerns (even if I disagree). Sony and MS are pretty hardcore on the hype and jabs. But that can change at any moment... just one big inbreed family if you ask me.

[jvd]

Personaly for me I like that nintendo made the zelda stories fit together that way we get a feeling of history .


Other than that in some ways i don't care .

DO i care that they have mario golf ? Not really its just mario in a golf form . Why is it any diffrent than buying a new year version of tiger woods ? They have mario kart and thats a unique game , yes there have now been 3 diffrent ones (and soon a 4th on ds ) but they add tracks and fresh ideas to keep it going .


As long as they play well and offer new goals its fine with me . It seems to also be fine with the rest of the industry , I believe ratchet and clank or jak (forgot which one ) has a racing game coming out .

I mean really whats the diffrence between playing metriod prime 1 and 2 2 years apart and playing gta 3 , gta 3 vice city and gta 3 san andreous with in 5 years ?


THere isn't much , its just publishers creating what the fans want

[mckmas8808]

Your totally correct jvd *looks at wall with confused faceand rubs head* (did I just say that) if really doesn't matter that Nintendo puts out different games with the same characters to me. Just stop using the innovative title as if Sony or MS can't do it. I mean even with the Xbox low sales they bought the need for a HDD and great online play to console gaming and I'm darn happy for that.

I just wish that the media can just stop it with this Nintendo is the originators of the three. Just please stop. One look at Okami and SOTC and you will tell yourself "I have never seen a game like this before". And with DIFFERENT characters. Woo I can exhale now.

[jvd]

I think your missing the point though .


With Nintendo they have a long rich history as a game developer . They have done many things first . So they have done innovative things . Do i think everything they do is innovative ? Na . Alot of it is old ideas fixed up and prefected for that period of time .

Look at nintendogs (sp? )

Its really a virtual pet + hey u pickachu + touch screen . But its all done together which makes it inovative .

One look at Okami and SOTC and you will tell yourself "I have never seen a game like this before". And with DIFFERENT characters. Woo I can exhale now.

Don't really know what games these are as i Don't own a ps2 and my sister is sleeping . But are these tittles sony developed or are these tittles apearing on the ps2 ?

That is one of the diffrences with nintendo. The 3rd parties don't do the innovations , nintendo does .


As for the rev ... well I don't think its innovative . Sony already offered the bc and sega did that years before with the genesis . But its new for nintendo and unlike sony they have titles all the way back from the 8bit era that a huge segment of players remember .

I think the majority of young adults 18-30 remember the nes as thier first game system and would love to be able to play those old games again .


Now hopefully that isn't the only thing nintendo has . Hopefully they do bring something innovative like the ds touch screen was for gaming. IF they can do that i'm sure they will grow thier market again. However nintendo has allways and will allways make great games and there are alot of fans that will buy a nintendo console just for the nintendo games . I actually think if sega and nintendo released a system with only thier games on it they would make a killing together

[mckmas8808]

That is one of the diffrences with nintendo. The 3rd parties don't do the innovations , nintendo does

Yes thats true but doing it 3rd party exclusivly on your own console is about the same as doing it 1st party as far as innovation is concerned. If a gamer whats innovative games he could easily buy a PS2 and buy some PS2 exclusive games with the eyetoy and get plenty of it.

It shouldn't matter if its 1st party of not. Of course the gamer could get a GC too.

[jvd]

No it really isn't . Becaue sony has nothing to do with it and your giving them credit when its the developer that should get credit . A konami game can be innovative on the ps2 but it doesn't need the ps2 to make it innovative , it can be just as innovative on an xbox .

Nintendo however is nintendo and if they make a game that is innovative it is nintendo that did the innovation .

It makes all the diffrence. If sony didn't make the innovation then they didn't make the innovation. I mean if you drove me to 7-11 and i played the lotto and then won 10 million , I won 10 million , you didn't . Though u gave me a ride it doesn't matter ,I could have walked and played and won anyway . You had nothing to do with the win