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03-Jun-2005, 06:02
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Not to be a butthole, but Dave please throw us a bone.
Can we get a release date for your article?
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03-Jun-2005, 06:21
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Artist formerly known as Acert93
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Here, chew on this some more:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed.../xbox360-1.ars http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...60-2.ars?16177
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03-Jun-2005, 06:32
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As has most likely been discussed in another thread, Hannibal's articles on the matter are kinda full of crap. Comparing the XBox360's cores to PPEs... Having no clue how physics/AI/etc. can work (that is, it's not because some methods are branch-hungry that all are, and some most definitively aren't - whether they are the easiest to implement is another thing entirely)
I couldn't see any obvious problems with his analyses of the R500 but then again I stopped halfway through because his interpretation felt a bit too original to my liking. Implying Dave's work won't be a good order of magnitude or two better seems heretic to me  But yeah, give Dave time, for all you know he might not be authorized or able to post it yet. And such a different architecture needs a pretty long article to be explained properly, too. Uttar |
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03-Jun-2005, 07:35
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03-Jun-2005, 07:44
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Uh... huh-huh... You thaid "bone."
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03-Jun-2005, 07:48
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Artist formerly known as Acert93
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cthellis, you said it too
 Really, give Dave a break. He had to travel to E3, get bombed by our questions, mod the forum, etc... I cannot wait to get the scoop on RSX and Xenos and I am CERTAIN Dave's Xenos article is going to be very insightful. But give him time Good things come to those who wait... and if you tick him off too much he may make us wait longer and then we will all be VERY mad at YOU! 
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"In games I don't like, there is no such thing as "tradeoffs," only "downgrades" or "lazy devs" or "bugs" or "design failures." Neither do tradeoffs exist in games I'm a rabid fan of, and just shut up if you're going to point them out." -- fearsomepirate |
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03-Jun-2005, 20:33
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Aye dave has alot going on . He was at e3 then the crossfire launch . Give him a break
 He also has a wife... would you rather be typing up an article on xenos or hanging out with your wife ?
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03-Jun-2005, 21:23
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Don't discount things just because they're not what you want to hear..Anyway, I'm sure Dave's article will be available as soon as it's done. |
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03-Jun-2005, 21:24
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03-Jun-2005, 21:27
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03-Jun-2005, 22:20
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03-Jun-2005, 22:22
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The article is done, however its currently back with ATI to discuss what I can and can't actually publish.
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03-Jun-2005, 22:30
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How long is the article right now?
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03-Jun-2005, 22:42
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19 A4 pages in Word (Veranda 9pt). I suspect that will go down fairly significantly. The areas that I'm most concerned about them being concerned about is how the shaders handle latency operations and the detail of how the threading is handled - we went into some reasonable detail there and as this is next gen stuff its still quite sensitive. Hopefully what isn't in there initially we'll be able to release at a later date.
Bear in mind that I had meetings with Bob at E3, like everyone else, however Bob is a bit more of a hands off VP and he realised that I'd want to go into greater detail than he knew offhand. For this reason I had a conference call with two of the primary architects, but their job is not to be a PR filter so I agrred to let Bob and the PR guys a look before publishing. |
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03-Jun-2005, 22:56
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Thanks for all the hard work, Dave. It's greatly appreciated.
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03-Jun-2005, 23:04
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19 pages
9 font You're a machine Dave!Oh, and will you have a downloadable version? |
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03-Jun-2005, 23:36
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03-Jun-2005, 23:36
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He said the B word...
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04-Jun-2005, 00:13
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04-Jun-2005, 03:27
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 thanks .. I am now looking forward to the article even more
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04-Jun-2005, 04:51
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19 pages! I only needed to know 1 thing; is it FAST?
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04-Jun-2005, 06:17
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DUH, of course it's FAST. 
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04-Jun-2005, 06:42
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Artist formerly known as Acert93
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Thanks Dave
All us nuts are itching to read this thing since it is possibly the most exciting innovation in GPUs in years. Maybe since the GeForce 256. So thanks for not banning us all for being impatient! Again, thanks for all the hard work and I am sure it will be an excellent read!Now go have a fun weekend! Ps- You have a pretty cool job... surprising ATI would give you so much info, but then again I wont complain
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04-Jun-2005, 13:40
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Thanks
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04-Jun-2005, 14:25
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 But.......... does it do shiny shine?
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