[Phil]

What the hell? Wipeout Pure 30 fps? I was actually looking forward to that, but damn that to hell as well then. Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown). Maybe it's alright for a handheld, but damn, RidgeRacers is 60 as well and I can't imagine playing a wipeout at anytihng below 60 anymore.

What are devs thinking nowdays? I thought it looked somewhat 'slow' [in videos] and a bit... hmm... unprecise in the way ships handled, but I thought that was more due to the lower class races rather than the framerate.

Meh. First they cheat us fans in not bringing a sequel to PS2 and then they release it on PSP and handicap the framerate.

[Kolgar]

Hmm, I was under the impression that Pure ran above 30. Not 60, and not always steady, but above 30. I'll have to google that sometime...

Anyway, don't let that deter you, Phil. I know how important 60fps is to you in a racer, but honestly, when I play it, it never even occurs to me. And I switch back and forth between RR and WP all the time.

[hey69]

blame Microsoft they cheated everybody with releasing
Forza and project gotham on 30fps also..
what's to bitch about? the game is fantastic and fluid.

if you think the games is slow, you maybe have a different copy then I do..
especially the later vehicles and courses are superfast

[PC-Engine]

Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD?

RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...

[pahcman]

yes 30fps with slowdowns and plenty jaggies. in old days, games slowdowns were thought as good slow motion movie effect! but jaggies take time get used to...

really this number of framerate game is subconciosly infecting the enjoyment of real games! sometime if given a blind test i bet some cant tell as clear as they think they can.

i see no ghosting in wipeout.
but i have ff:ac trailer, think spotted some discoloration. i not have the original trailer to compare. i can upload if someone want test on their psp.

[pahcman]

i hear RR Ai dumbass way to easy. well wipeout ai seem fun and aggressive explosive race. its really a good portable game to take. the loading is even shorter than lumines (but more often) and i think battery use is smaller. web browser seal the deal!

just dont think 30fps 30fps its bad its bad 30fps ... then of corse it WILL be bad! the brain far mighter than the pen is!

[hey69]

wtf are you talking about? hhuuhhahah...

ah but you have a good point! i agree

[mech]

Originally Posted by PC-Engine

Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD?

RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...

Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?

And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?

[PC-Engine]

Originally Posted by mech

Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?

And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?

Why because I'm contributing valid information that you don't like to hear?

[see colon]

i have to agree with pc engine. rr is one of the most tollerable games IRT the PSP's ghosting. some people can't see it, but i know i can. in fact, i can't play untold legends, tony hawk, or spiderman 2 because the ghosting makes me motion sick. for the record i've never been motion sick while playing a handheld before, and the only game that's ever made be ill was conkers BFD for n64.

[mech]

Originally Posted by PC-Engine

Why because I'm contributing valid information that you don't like to hear?

What, valid information like "RR hides ghosting by using a lot of motion blur" - even though it doesn't?

Come off it. Stop being such a f@nboy.

[PC-Engine]

A lot of people confuse the intentional motion blur in RR with the real ghosting that happens from the LCD. There is real ghosting but some people don't like to hear it so they make excuses like how RR uses motion blur so it's not the LCD. That's all I wanted to point out.

[Ty]

Again, it's not the content of the message so much as the obvious attempt to troll that it's presented in.

Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.

[PC-Engine]

Originally Posted by Ty

Again, it's not the content of the message so much as the obvious attempt to troll that it's presented in.

Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.

Whether it's an attempt to troll or not is irrelevent as long as the facts are intact...

Regardless trolling is up to ones own interpretation based on ones own preconceived biases.

Ex. X poster is a troll therefore every post from X is trolling....eerrrr wrong.

[jvd]

Ty . How else could that information be presented ? How could it be presented in a way that it wouldn't be trolling ?

It is a negative comment about the psp screen. But at the same time its a real valid issue . I don't think its trolling to point it out and if it is the reason why the game runs at 30 then what is the problem ?

Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.

So what is the problem with Pc engine pointing it out as a reason why this title could be running at 30fps ? I don't see any trolling in his post . What i see is that someone didn't like what he said and automaticly jumped to calling him a troll because it was a valid point that said person couldn't argue against . And by doing that has exposed himself as a troll

[PC-Engine]

Exactly.

[Farid]

Originally Posted by Phil

What the hell? Wipeout Pure 30 fps? I was actually looking forward to that, but damn that to hell as well then. Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown). Maybe it's alright for a handheld, but damn, RidgeRacers is 60 as well and I can't imagine playing a wipeout at anytihng below 60 anymore.

The Wipeouts on the PSone, the good ones, were all 30fps.
And Pure is a very good Wipeout, therefore, we can conclude witout a shadow of doubt that there's a mysterious link between 30Hz refresh rate and the inherent quality of the Wipeout. QED.

Originally Posted by Phil

What are devs thinking nowdays? I thought it looked somewhat 'slow' [in videos] and a bit... hmm... unprecise in the way ships handled, but I thought that was more due to the lower class races rather than the framerate

As far as we're talking about videos, the framerate can hardly be responsible for the sense of speed the game creates.

The game in the higher Classes is fast as hell, so the videos you saw must have been from the lower class (Vector or Venom).

[Phil]

Originally Posted by vysez

The Wipeouts on the PSone, the good ones, were all 30fps.
And Pure is a very good Wipeout, therefore, we can conclude witout a shadow of doubt that there's a mysterious link between 30Hz refresh rate and the inherent quality of the Wipeout. QED.

While I'm not arguing that Fusion was better than the old Wipeouts, the framerate made it one of the greatest experiences this generation for me. The speed far surpassed anything the PSone ever offered - heck, surpassed anything this generation AFAIC.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to give it a try when it comes out in Europe. Will take a few months though... maybe they'll improve it until then? hehe, just kidding.

[london-boy]

Originally Posted by Phil

While I'm not arguing that Fusion was better than the old Wipeouts, the framerate made it one of the greatest experiences this generation for me. The speed far surpassed anything the PSone ever offered - heck, surpassed anything this generation AFAIC.

What?! Fusion had a very irritatingly unstable framerate, and seen how fusyy you are about framerates i'm surprised you don't think the same. It was fast, yeah, but really, the slowdowns put me off a little bit...

And it has certainly been surpassed in this generation in terms of speed, if only by the Burnout series, which are crazily fast, without a hint of slowdown.

[Blade]

Phil: Fusion.. faster than F-Zero GX?

Anywho.. Wipeout Pure is around 30fps but that's okay. In my hours with the game, I've never felt that the framerate hindered anything. That said, I'm not that far (just unlocked the third speed level) and things might go downhill as the racers get faster.

For now, though.. 60fps is just a minor luxury for a game like this.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by london-boy

What?! Fusion had a very irritatingly unstable framerate, and seen how fusyy you are about framerates i'm surprised you don't think the same. It was fast, yeah, but really, the slowdowns put me off a little bit...

Originally Posted by Phil

Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown).

Slowdown only occured during intense battles and mostly when you did the earthquake weapon in addition to missiles or many other ships on the screen. Disable weapons and there was no slowdown. Zonemode didn't feature any either...

Originally Posted by london-boy

And it has certainly been surpassed in this generation in terms of speed, if only by the Burnout series, which are crazily fast, without a hint of slowdown.

Originally Posted by Blade

Phil: Fusion.. faster than F-Zero GX?

I have played both Burnout 3 (roughly completed it) and F-Zero GX (not that much admittedly) and I am fairly confident that they're not faster than Wipeout (B3 definately is a long way off). I guess it simply depends on what level you manage to get in Fusion [Zonemode] - I've been around level 40+ (not sure how far anymore, but I was actually among the 30 highest internationally on the first zonemode track). I'm not sure if there's a faster level than the one I witnessed in F-Zero, but a friend who has the game and watched me play Zonemode claimed Wipeout was faster... It's insane anyway, after the 40+ levels your eyes start to tear anyway...

[rabidrabbit]

Ok, then are we now going to make a new topic of every game that runs 30fps.
Shall we make them retroactively, then I suggest we only include games from this gen onwards.

[Ty]

Originally Posted by PC-Engine

Whether it's an attempt to troll or not is irrelevent as long as the facts are intact...

Incorrect. This statement would seem to indicate that you believe that as long as there are facts in the statement ANY tone conveyed in the post is acceptable.

Originally Posted by PC-Engine

Regardless trolling is up to ones own interpretation based on ones own preconceived biases.

This IS true and certainly a fine line for the mods (and forum participators) to watch. That does not mean, however, that a standard should not apply to all forum participators.

Originally Posted by jvd

Ty . How else could that information be presented ? How could it be presented in a way that it wouldn't be trolling ?

I'd lose the wink, that's all.

For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future.

[mech]

Got Wipeout Pure today - it may "only" be 30fps, but damn it's one sexy looking game

Got Lumines today as well, which is also sexy.

I love my PSP

[jvd]

For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future.

well honestly there are other offenders to the emoticons that surpass pc .

I think some people read to much into it because of prior experiances with pc-engine