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DOGMA1138 · 20-Dec-2004, 00:51

and the latest catalyst, alot of VPU rec crushes in alot of games, any know issues about this?

digitalwanderer · 20-Dec-2004, 00:53

Nope, where ya hearing that?

DOGMA1138 · 20-Dec-2004, 01:00

if you dont know hebrew it wouldnt do ya any good 8)
basicly 5 diffrent ppl opened threads today in the biggst israely Hardware forum about VPU recover crushes, they all had an r9600 series cards. and i just found it verey strange.

RussSchultz · 20-Dec-2004, 01:04

What's a VPU recover crush?

DOGMA1138 · 20-Dec-2004, 01:12

when the VPU rec shuts down a game

Kaotik · 20-Dec-2004, 01:40

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Originally Posted by DOGMA1138

when the VPU rec shuts down a game

Actually it doesn't shut down the game, just throws you back to desktop and gives error report.

I've experienced such with 4.12 betas when I've OC'd my 9550 (back up card) to it's limits, strange thing is, I can set the clocks back to whatever I want instantly with ATiTool (they reset to default on VPU Recovery) and continue gaming like nothing happened.
Though if I do that, there will be another report soon etc, I suspect it's because of that puny fan on it (Sapphire), the thing is so ridicilous it would be an insult towards HSF's to call it such

micron · 20-Dec-2004, 02:25

How much longer are you stuck with that card CB?

Kaotik · 20-Dec-2004, 03:30

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Originally Posted by micron

How much longer are you stuck with that card CB?

Hum, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the whole story (posted @ FM) so here goes:
- Hercules R9800 Pro died
- Found out that the shop I bought it from had went bankrupt
- Called through every single imporer I know in Finland to deal with Hercules cards, the card wasn't from any of those
- Dealed directly with Hercules (sent the card to Denmark)
- Used Matrox Millennium PCI for a while coupled with Voodoo Graphics
- Found Matrox G200 8MB PCI from my computer related closet, got one of my Voodoo2's to use it with from back from my schol
- Got new R9800 Pro from Hercules, didn't work on default clocks -> sent back to Hercules
- Used G200 + V2 for a while, got GF2 MX(/400) for loan from school
- Got new R9800 Pro from Hercules, died after the first time under any 3D stress (started giving artifacts in BIOS & Windows loading screen + desktop)
- Used GF2 MX a while
- Bought Sapphire R9550 128MB while waiting for another 9800 Pro to arrive
- Got new R9800 Pro from Hercules, didn't work on default clocks -> sent back to Hercules
- Hercules customer support didn't want me to get another broken card from them, so they offered me a full refund (410â‚¬ (current market price ~200â‚¬ here in Finland), they'll also possibly cover my expenses on shipping the cards to them, which makes 50-60â‚¬)
- Been using 9550 ever since, still waiting for the cheque/check to arrive, it's been around 3 weeks now I think (called them last wednesday, and was told that the info has been sent to their accounting department, but it might take quite a while for them to process it, since the normally don't do refunds)
- Ordered ASUS V9999 GE 256MB, hopefully the cheque/check will arrive soon so I can finally get it. I was first planning to get it from the shop directly, but now since the cheque hasn't arrived yet, I called them and asked them to send it via post instead so I have more time to get it (it was the last one they had). The card should arrive to post near me right after christmas I think, and then they'll hold it 2 weeks before sending it back - that's how long I have time to get the cheque.

RussSchultz · 20-Dec-2004, 03:41

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Originally Posted by Kaotik

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOGMA1138

when the VPU rec shuts down a game

Actually it doesn't shut down the game, just throws you back to desktop and gives error report.

Do you really mean crUsh?

Or crAsh?

micron · 20-Dec-2004, 03:48

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Originally Posted by Kaotik

Hum, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the whole story

Man....I knew you were having problems with your 9800Pro rma, but I didnt know the extent of it

Hopefully you'll get it around Christmas

micron · 20-Dec-2004, 03:50

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Originally Posted by RussSchultz

Do you really mean crUsh?

Or crAsh?

Is it really that important?

RussSchultz · 20-Dec-2004, 03:53

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Originally Posted by micron

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussSchultz

Do you really mean crUsh?

Or crAsh?

Is it really that important?

To me. I just want to make sure I'm not loosing the lingo as I grow older.

micron · 20-Dec-2004, 04:09

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Originally Posted by RussSchultz

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Originally Posted by micron

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussSchultz

Do you really mean crUsh?

Or crAsh?

Is it really that important?

To me. I just want to make sure I'm not loosing the lingo as I grow older.

But it would be Israeli lingo!

GrapeApe · 20-Dec-2004, 06:44

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Originally Posted by DOGMA1138

and the latest catalyst, alot of VPU rec crushes in alot of games, any know issues about this?

Nope, and no problem here.

I haven't had as much time to play with the new drivers as I'd like, but no major issue amd I haven't heard/read of any major increase. I have heard of alot of VPU recovery issues with HL2, but that's more a result of HL2 IMO. And of course stable OC'ing levels will change from time to time with new drivers.

I the past I had a severe case of the VPU Crashes after an update, I needed to disable Fastwrites to fix. Then after doing what I should have done (update chipset drivers and MoBo BIOS) I was once again able to run with FW on. Could be that the new Catalyst conflicts with some other un-updated systems.

Anywhoo, could be a bunch of things, but nothing I've experience. I haven't given them the work out I'd like to (Too much work+Univ+Xmas planning) to know for sure, but there are a few things that can cause this.

micron · 20-Dec-2004, 07:45

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Originally Posted by GrapeApe

(Too much work+Univ+Xmas planning)

You forgot skiing

GrapeApe · 20-Dec-2004, 08:13

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Originally Posted by micron

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Originally Posted by GrapeApe

(Too much work+Univ+Xmas planning)

You forgot skiing

Too True, but that was last weekend, not this one (rainy & warm).

I also forgot the alcohol induced haze too. :?

Plus flying back to T.O. in 4 days maybe do some hardware shoping. 8)

Dio · 20-Dec-2004, 09:31

When new drivers cause crashes on overclocked cards, the reason is usually because the driver's efficiency has improved such that the card is now running slightly too hot. Less commonly, it can be because some change is causing stress on a more thermally sensitive part of the chip.

Sabastian · 20-Dec-2004, 13:48

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Originally Posted by DOGMA1138

and the latest catalyst, alot of VPU rec crushes in alot of games, any know issues about this?

Well, I've got 2 9600 XT's one system is loaded with approx 15 games. I've not had any such problems at all. But I'll be keen on watching out for the crashing to desktop issue.

rashly · 20-Dec-2004, 15:45

I just built a system for my friend with a 9600XT and I was getting crashing in every game.

Once I disabled Overdive it was working fine. Pissed me off for a good hour or two though.

ivzk · 20-Dec-2004, 17:09

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Originally Posted by rashly

I just built a system for my friend with a 9600XT and I was getting crashing in every game.

Once I disabled Overdive it was working fine. Pissed me off for a good hour or two though.

First thing I do when I install new CATs.

RejZoR · 20-Dec-2004, 17:40

Good old R9600 Pro clocked beyond XT speed. Only one VPU recovery crash in period of 1 year. Running fine with 4.12...

swaaye · 20-Dec-2004, 20:45

My 9600 in my notebook overclocks from 300 to 440

Too bad it's just massively, stunningly memory bandwidth limited by the 64MB of 128 bit, 230MHz DDR.

It is totally stable even in a notebook's testy environment and construction. I even use the latest Catalysts by letting the DHModtool hack them for me so I can install them.

Though I did fabricate a stunning tiny copper heatsink with my dremel and a lot of filing

20-Dec-2004, 00:51	#1
DOGMA1138 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: IsraHELL Posts: 533	i`ve been hearing alot of complaints cconcerning the 9600`s and the latest catalyst, alot of VPU rec crushes in alot of games, any know issues about this? __________________ in case you where wondering... yes, i am a mentaly unstable idiot so feel free to disreguard my post/s :shock:

20-Dec-2004, 00:53	#2
digitalwanderer Dangerously Mirthful Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Winfield, IN USA Posts: 15,292	Nope, where ya hearing that? __________________ Elite Bastards - Adminish “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.” - General James N. Mattis

20-Dec-2004, 01:00	#3
DOGMA1138 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: IsraHELL Posts: 533	if you dont know hebrew it wouldnt do ya any good 8) basicly 5 diffrent ppl opened threads today in the biggst israely Hardware forum about VPU recover crushes, they all had an r9600 series cards. and i just found it verey strange. __________________ in case you where wondering... yes, i am a mentaly unstable idiot so feel free to disreguard my post/s :shock:

20-Dec-2004, 01:04	#4
RussSchultz Professional Malcontent Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: HTTP 404 Posts: 2,855	What's a VPU recover crush? __________________ Sigmatel, R.I.P. Me[X-------:--------]You

20-Dec-2004, 01:12	#5
DOGMA1138 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: IsraHELL Posts: 533	when the VPU rec shuts down a game __________________ in case you where wondering... yes, i am a mentaly unstable idiot so feel free to disreguard my post/s :shock:

20-Dec-2004, 02:25	#7
micron Diamond Viper 550 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,189	How much longer are you stuck with that card CB? __________________ "I demand the constitutional right to eat my enemies" - RussSchultz

20-Dec-2004, 09:31	#17
Dio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,758	When new drivers cause crashes on overclocked cards, the reason is usually because the driver's efficiency has improved such that the card is now running slightly too hot. Less commonly, it can be because some change is causing stress on a more thermally sensitive part of the chip.

20-Dec-2004, 15:45	#19
rashly Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 269	I just built a system for my friend with a 9600XT and I was getting crashing in every game. Once I disabled Overdive it was working fine. Pissed me off for a good hour or two though. __________________ r a s h l y p r o d u c t i o n s - [3dfx]

20-Dec-2004, 17:40	#21
RejZoR Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Europe\Slovenia\Ljubljana Posts: 300	Good old R9600 Pro clocked beyond XT speed. Only one VPU recovery crash in period of 1 year. Running fine with 4.12... __________________ Intel Core i7 920 \| 6 GB RAM \| ASUS Rampage II Gene \| Sapphire HD6870 Toxic \| WD Caviar Black 2TB \| Auzentech Forte \| Altec Lansing MX5021 2.1

20-Dec-2004, 20:45	#22
swaaye Entirely Suboptimal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI, USA Posts: 6,848	My 9600 in my notebook overclocks from 300 to 440 Too bad it's just massively, stunningly memory bandwidth limited by the 64MB of 128 bit, 230MHz DDR. It is totally stable even in a notebook's testy environment and construction. I even use the latest Catalysts by letting the DHModtool hack them for me so I can install them. Though I did fabricate a stunning tiny copper heatsink with my dremel and a lot of filing

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