[Ostsol]

Any Infinium Labs / Phantom news and they just have to also link to their bitching about it.

Any Futuremark / 3DMark news and they just have to also link to their bitching about it.

Anyone else just like to see news without having to be reminded about their bitching? :?

[digitalwanderer]

I dunno, that's kind of what makes 'em fun too.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

I dunno, that's kind of what makes 'em fun too.

IF you want to hear bitching just talk to me . I will bitch alot

[Unit01]

well it's [T]ardocp and kyle benett :?
We're expecting to much otherwise

[digitalwanderer]

Think of it this way; if there was no [H] all their members might be a member of a forum YOU post at!

[Unit01]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Think of it this way; if there was no [H] all their members might be a member of a forum YOU post at!

Hrm is that so bad?
They're not like Kyle are they?

Edit: can't post be deleted anymore? Where's that option to delete post?

[micron]

Originally Posted by Unit01

Edit: can't post be deleted anymore? Where's that option to delete post?

Instead of trying to delete post's you've made, why dont you simply 'not post'

[3dilettante]

Originally Posted by Ostsol

Any Infinium Labs / Phantom news and they just have to also link to their bitching about it.

Any Futuremark / 3DMark news and they just have to also link to their bitching about it.

Anyone else just like to see news without having to be reminded about their bitching? :?

You fail to understand the nature of all that is [H]ard.

Since for most of its life, Infinium Labs has been defined more on weasely-worded press releases and nonexistent hardware/plans/actual addresses, and FutureMark's stand against the depredations of extensive optimizations on the part of various driver sets was for an extended period of time characterized as pathetic/flaccid/well paid for, these entities of empty words are now forever in [H]indsight relegated to the category of ~s~oft.

As we all know, [H]ard is diametrically opposed to ~s~oft. We could no more expect them to not have an axe to grind than we could expect the hawk to cease preying upon the unsuspecting vole, or some similar metaphor of the natural world that you would prefer.

In all seriousness, the proprietor of Hardocp appears to be person with strong opinions, and I guess it is inevitable that he would harp on those things that go against his likes, probably to degrees that a large number of people wouldn't go to. And Infinium is suing him, so I guess that's also not helping the editorial position.

[jvd]

3dilettante the reason why they don't like futuremark is because at the time (and really still to this day) they were an nvidia slanted site.

They didn't like futuremark because at the time it showed all the flaws in the nv30 that were later pointed out in other dx 9 games .

[zsouthboy]

I don't really see a problem with a site hawking its own articles.

IMHO, of course.

EDIT: it's no worse than going to a news site that has certain words underlined, that go to other articles about said words..

[digitalwanderer]

Actually [H]'s stand against Infinium is something I count as a plus for 'em. 8)

[3dilettante]

Originally Posted by jvd

3dilettante the reason why they don't like futuremark is because at the time (and really still to this day) they were an nvidia slanted site.

They didn't like futuremark because at the time it showed all the flaws in the nv30 that were later pointed out in other dx 9 games .

Maybe you're right, it's all becoming a blur to me. It probably lends more credence to the strongly (rational or not, I'm not in the position to say) held opinions position.

[Unit01]

Originally Posted by micron

Instead of trying to delete post's you've made, why dont you simply 'not post'

Incase of double post perhaps? Good to know. But then again by your view i guess that's not allowed

[Saem]

Hrm... has this topic been put up because Kyle recently posted on the site? I am being cynical but is this just rabble rousing.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Saem

Hrm... has this topic been put up because Kyle recently posted on the site? I am being cynical but is this just rabble rousing.

No, check the dates. This thread was posted well before Kyle posted up his D3 scoop.

The subject comes up from time to time for various reasons and with varying results, it's just a Kyle-thang.

[Ostsol]

Originally Posted by zsouthboy

EDIT: it's no worse than going to a news site that has certain words underlined, that go to other articles about said words..

At least that's a bit more subtle than: "BTW, here's our bitching about <insert topic here>."

[dizietsma]

You'll never be bored at [H]ardocp.

They fill a niche well, if you don't like it do not visit. The last time I visited I read the D3 benches and enjoyed the reading, but I do not go there often as they do not have the ideal mox for me.

[JoshMST]

Well, people either love Kyle, or they hate him. After dealing quite a bit with Kyle, I found that he is a genuinely honest person, and if you don't screw around with him, he won't screw around with you. I think it is actually refreshing to have a site that takes a deliberate stand on some issues, and you can always be assured that HardOCP will call it as they see it (though sometimes they may not see things properly, but they usually rectify this if they find they are wrong).

I have a lot of respect for Kyle, and though I may not always agree with him, I do appreciate where he comes from. If you go up to him and ask him questions in a professional manner, he will treat you the same way. If you go up to him and say, "Hey you SOB, why the hell are you saying this horses**t.", he is going to respond to you in kind.

If I did a story on Infinium Labs that was as in depth as his, and they came around and sued me, I would act in the same manner. I think all of us would.

[Reverend]

After dealing quite a bit with Kyle, I found that he is a genuinely honest person, and if you don't screw around with him, he won't screw around with you.

Hey, if you screw around with me, I'd screw around with you too!

[JoshMST]

I am so glad that we have agreed to screw each other!

[FrgMstr]

Originally Posted by JoshMST

Well, people either love Kyle, or they hate him. After dealing quite a bit with Kyle, I found that he is a genuinely honest person, and if you don't screw around with him, he won't screw around with you. I think it is actually refreshing to have a site that takes a deliberate stand on some issues, and you can always be assured that HardOCP will call it as they see it (though sometimes they may not see things properly, but they usually rectify this if they find they are wrong).

I have a lot of respect for Kyle, and though I may not always agree with him, I do appreciate where he comes from. If you go up to him and ask him questions in a professional manner, he will treat you the same way. If you go up to him and say, "Hey you SOB, why the hell are you saying this horses**t.", he is going to respond to you in kind.

If I did a story on Infinium Labs that was as in depth as his, and they came around and sued me, I would act in the same manner. I think all of us would.

Damn Josh, you just summed me up better than I could do it myself. Which of course will not surprise a lot of folks.

[DukenukemX]

I've tried posting over at their forums and you all should be happy that those kind of people are there and not at other forums.

Also seeing as HardOCP got first dibbs to post Doom3 benchmarks I'm sure they're Nvidia's bitch. I can think of a few other websites that do a much better job benchmarking than HardOCP.

They were mostly concerned about X800 vs 6800 in Doom 3 benchmarks. If your $400-$500 video card doesn't run Doom3 perfectly blistering fast I'm sure Nvidia or ATI will fix it with magic driver updates.

It took until Tech Reports recent benchmarks to get a good idea how Doom 3 runs on most PCs with low to mid range cards. Everyone and their Grandma is going to benchmark Doom3 with X800 and 6800 cards.

Some people like how HardOCP benchmarks but personally it just doesn't help.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by DukenukemX

I can think of a few other websites that do a much better job benchmarking than HardOCP.

I can mebbe think of one or two, Hard is just as good and better than most at their benching IMHO.

You may disagree with the style choice a bit, but I don't doubt the accuracy of their benchmarks and they're good about stating conditions/test rigs....could I ask what you're basing your statement on?

[DukenukemX]

Well in HardOCPs second set of benchmakrs for Doom 3 they included all the Radeon 8500/9500 Pro cards as well as the Geforce 4200/FX 5600 cards.

There benchmarks were setup so that they all got around the same average FPS. For example the Radeon 9500 Pro was with an Athlon 2500 with different settings then other cards as well as the Radeon 8500. They both only got one benchmark.

Plus they had more than one type of CPU to benchmark with. It would have been nice to know that the Radeon 8500 or Geforce 4 Ti 4200 doesn't scale well with CPU upgrades for Doom3. So that people with older PCs get either a new CPU or video card.

It's a nice idea to change the settings of each graphics card to playable framerates and then compare but the way the layout was setup I had to have like 3 of those windows open just to get an idea of which card performs better.

Good old fashion benchmarking for me.

[aa004]

Damn Josh, you just summed me up better than I could do it myself. Which of course will not surprise a lot of folks.

Let me sum you up, *****.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...post1331998667

The image in my quote of the "convert" post (that doesn't appear anymore, obviously) was his screen cap of a thread at tardforum showing Kyle posting people's personal details (for whatever retarded reason) and inciting his forum members to spam bomb/mail bomb them.

I've also read a post by Lars that states that Kyle misrepresented his words on his website. Perhaps it was accidental and not deliberate, Kyle? I wonder if IL's lawyers know that there is potential to show that you have may have deliberately misrepresented facts on your website in the past?

The more you learn, huh, Josh.