[jvd]

It does seem that the IQ is almost always as good as trilinear apart from special situation as shown in the 2 videos of this thread.

read the page before this and see what the other member has to say about the problem. It seems like this is with the engine and not the ati card .

as for the sites can i disregard what all the sites that say there is a problem just because i don't like them ?

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by jvd

read the page before this and see what the other member has to say about the problem. It seems like this is with the engine and not the ati card .

as for the sites can i disregard what all the sites that say there is a problem just because i don't like them ?

Well, i didn't find any conclusive information from people. I see an issue on X800 and not on 9700, so i don't see how it can be cause by the engine.

As for the sites, well if you don't disregard what sites say when they are untrustful, then i'm

[jvd]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

Well, i didn't find any conclusive information from people. I see an issue on X800 and not on 9700, so i don't see how it can be cause by the engine.

As for the sites, well if you don't disregard what sites say when they are untrustful, then i'm

well if u look at the 9700pro video it happens almost as much on the x800xt and considering the diffrences in aproach it could be as little as that making the diffrence.

As for the sites . Every site has messed up at one point (except this one) so if i look back i'm sure that even the sites claiming they see a problem will be discredited by something .

[Evildeus]

Perhaps that's why i come to B3D

[radar1200gs]

Unless you can attach a capture device directly to a VGA outlet and capture that way instead of relying of FRAPS etc, you won't really be able to see what the end user sees in the movies.

One way that might work would be TV output recorded onto a DVD recorder.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by radar1200gs

Unless you can attach a capture device directly to a VGA outlet and capture that way instead of relying of FRAPS etc, you won't really be able to see what the end user sees in the movies.

One way that might work would be TV output recorded onto a DVD recorder.

yes radar but i own a x800pro (Two of them actually , both my little sisters have bought one) and i don't see any image problems.

[Evildeus]

Not sure you have the same standards as everyone :?

[radar1200gs]

You haven't, others say that they have. Who is fibbing and who isn't?

[jvd]

Originally Posted by radar1200gs

You haven't, others say that have. Who is fibbing and who isn't?

dunno , but how many actually have one and how many are lieing about that ? there are even sites that agree with me .

so far none of the sites that i know have shown image quality problems in game .

I have not seen them either. As i said the farcry videos the user posted seem to happen on all cards as its an engine bug . The 9700pro show almost the same shimmering and is on a diffrent aproach path.

I know u want this to be a huge deal. But it isn't

it looks better than nvidia's version looks at this point in time and its light years ahead of the orginal bilinear problems .

You would think in the last year there would be tons of complaints about image quality on the 9600s .

[radar1200gs]

Yes, you are right. Silly me. Only nVidia's lies and deceptions need analysis and criticism.

The ATi faithful (sheep) know very well that their exulted leader can do no wrong...

[jvd]

Originally Posted by radar1200gs

Yes, you are right. Silly me. Only nVidia's lies and deceptions need analysis and criticism.

The ATi faithful (sheep) know very well that their exulted leader can do no wrong...

right.

Your right.

I mean after all you can see ati's image quality problems just by taking a screen shot.... oh wait u can't .... but u could at the start of nvidias fiasco.

Tell u what if you can take a pic that looks as bad as the first brilinear pics of nvidia on an ati card i will personaly tell people not the buy the card .

[Grestorn]

Originally Posted by jvd

This farcry videos problems were explained on this very page.

hardocp , toms , extreme tech all say they don't see image problems .

They were? Not really. If what Mr.Travis was saying were truly the cause of the shimmering, there shouldn't be any difference between the x800 and the 9700.

On the other hands, I'm going to test these new registry settings this evening. And I'm pretty sure that the shimmering will vanish. Which will just prove that those optimizations are visible.

I'm just happy that they can be disabled.

In the end, I just don't understand why anyone who prefers a different brand suddenly becomes the enemy, a normal civilized discussions seems to be almost impossible. Very sad.

[jvd]

They were? Not really. If what Mr.Travis was saying were truly the cause of the shimmering, there shouldn't be any difference between the x800 and the 9700.

perhaps if you recoreded a loop and used it on both and they were the exact same aproaches we can see if its more or the same.

[Evildeus]

Can you point out where in this thread the why of the difference is explained? because i don't see it.

[dizietsma]

Originally Posted by davepermen

this means a simple thing:
this thing exists yet. nobody have ever noted, and ever got hurt by it. the claim ati is cheating with lower quality thus got.. well.. taken from hot air. else people would have complained right from the first time it was implemented.

nobody got hurt till one could show "there possibly is something". from this point on, people started to search prove in tons of forms, to validate there is something.

brilinear on the other hand, was obvious the first time you started a game with new drivers.

.

I was thinking more along the driverheaven accusation of the 6800 in 3dmark03 recently that proved to be nothing, yet that seemed to be far more accepted here than this issue, until Microsoft chimed in.

The brilinear issue I agree is far mroe serious in regards to IQ than this, but ATi marketing have been very bullish on Ati's holier than though use of trilinear filtering, so if their trylinear does degrade the image even a small amount then they need to be told so they can fine tune.

There are always e too many Squealer the pigs around when it comes to ATi in my view.

[Grestorn]

Sorry, jvd, but you're just sad.

You deny seeing any image problems even though many many people (other than myself) confirmed that they are there (not from the videos but from the game directly).

I never bashed ATI, I just wanted them to acknowledge that optimizations have to be optional, because it's in the nature of rendering shortcuts that they will be visible in certain spots.

There is no reason for you to fight that. It's for your own good. You, as any other user, should be able to decide what's more important you. If you prefer the speed over a questionable IQ loss, that's your choice (and I would make the same decision in this case, most likely).

But why the hell do you fight to deny that there IS a IQ loss? That really just looks like you can't stomach that your favourite company might have been wrong when they said "there will be no visible IQ loss!"?

As for the rate and angle of the movement while taking the videos... well if you really look at the videos, you should really see that neither of those matter in any way. It's really pretty obvious.

[Grestorn]

P.S.: If the speed and angle of movement would be radically different, I might agree. But they are as close as I can reproduce them by hand.

And it just doesn't matter, since the shimmering is there no matter what speed or angle you move.

If you haven't seen it, you're either

• at the wrong spot
• haven't switched on your flashlight
• have a different driver / registry setting (now that those new registry settings are known, that's not really out of the question anymore)
• deliberately denying seeing anything because it would invalidate your point
• blind

[tEd]

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

[jvd]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

Can you point out where in this thread the why of the difference is explained? because i don't see it.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewto...=302473#302473

Sorry, jvd, but you're just sad.

You deny seeing any image problems even though many many people (other than myself) confirmed that they are there (not from the videos but from the game directly).

YOu are said since myself and others (including review sites ) say they see nothing .


So whi¬ÀÂ*ne of us is sad ?

There is no reason for you to fight that. It's for your own good. You, as any other user, should be able to decide what's more important you. If you prefer the speed over a questionable IQ loss, that's your choice (and I would make the same decision in this case, most likely).

But why the hell do you fight to deny that there IS a IQ loss? That really just looks like you can't stomach that your favourite company might have been wrong when they said "there will be no visible IQ loss!"?

I'm only saying i do not see it and the angle changes and aproach could be whats changing it .

If you really cared about the image quality you would have reported this to ati. Not post it all over the place to bash ati .

[jvd]

Originally Posted by tEd

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

your right it is more blurry. can u take one with the lod not changed and see how it effects it

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by jvd

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewto...=302473#302473

That doesn't explain why it appears on X800 and not 9700!

[jvd]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

That doesn't explain why it appears on X800 and not 9700!

it apears on both . Or do u not see all the shimmering on the 9700 pro ?

[dizietsma]

Originally Posted by tEd

i made some new mp2 vids showing the difference

default
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_with_opti.avi

AF optimizations disabled with reg tweak
http://www.gaeugf.ch/ted/Mp2_witho_opti.avi

you need xvid for the vids

Thanks for doing those, I see what you mean.

Have you sent to Ati for comment ?

Regards

Andy

[tEd]

Originally Posted by jvd

your right it is more blurry. can u take one with the lod not changed and see how it effects it

i didn't change the LOD.

both done with AF set in game.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by tEd

i didn't change the LOD.

cool , did u send this to ati ?

i found a problem in coh when using certian spells but don't know if its the new card or not as i didn't get the spell till today