[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

Not sure why, but if you say so :?

He's correct, it's not just his say so.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by ninelven

Are we sure this came from NVIDIA (I only glanced through the thread... nothing popped out at me)? I know they are certainly capable of something like this, but the slides looked very amateurish: the use of the B3D logo, the changing of font colors mid paragraph, the black boxes at the bottom, etc... Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a photoshopper with too much time on their hands .

Yes, nVidia confirmed it thru Derek Perez.

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by AlphaWolf

He's correct, it's not just his say so.

I just would to know why :?

[anaqer]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

[...]That also includes the heat/power/noise requirements [...]

If recent news are anything to go out from, power shouldn't be such a grave issue as originally anticipated, 300-350 W seems OK to me.

[ninelven]

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[MasterBaiter]

I find it mildy amusing that Nvidia is so excited about ATI's product. Shouldn't be too hard for Nvidia to beat an architecture that is as old as ATI's right?

I think ATI have made some mistakes (not all of them were perhaps honest), but I trust them a lot more then Nvidia, and their marketing team kinda reinforces that judgement.

I wonder if Jen-Hsun Huang would pop any more blood vessels if anyone asked where the PM 3.0 demos are...

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Originally Posted by anaqer

If recent news are anything to go out from, power shouldn't be such a grave issue as originally anticipated, 300-350 W seems OK to me.

Alledgedly. I think Nvidia realised they were cutting their PR throats with the PSU requirements, so they've backtracked by saying "Oh forget what we said earlier, you just need a 350watt PSU (that delivers huge amps on the relevent number of separate rails, just like a 480 watt PSU)."

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.

Alledgedly. I think Nvidia realised they were cutting their PR throats with the PSU requirements, so they've backtracked by saying "Oh forget what we said earlier, you just need a 350watt PSU (that delivers huge amps on the relevent number of separate rails, just like a 480 watt PSU)."

Think that might also have something to do with the rumor that nVidia is going to throttle back their Ultra's core 10Mhz?

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Think that might also have something to do with the rumor that nVidia is going to throttle back their Ultra's core 10Mhz?

And slap ddr1 at 800mhz on it and call it an XT?

I still expect ultra's to ship at 400/1100 despite all the 390, 440, 425,450 crap going around. Some places might ship UE models (golden sample or whatever) with a water block or massive cooler, but I think the Ultra cards will be 400.

[anaqer]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Think that might also have something to do with the rumor that nVidia is going to throttle back their Ultra's core 10Mhz?

That's like ~2%... I fail to imagine a situation where 10 MHz counts that much and 450MHz versions are possible at the same time (even if in limited numbers).
And to think we used to wonder about 475MHz clocks even after the previews...

[jvd]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

I gotta admit that there's a whole lot more truth in that than I am personally comfortable with.

hehe i dunno about u guys . But with my 9700pro it was about speed Much much faster than my geforce 4 ti 4600 . But it also gave me a ton of usable features over that in its life time. As seen in farcry , pain killer and any other dx 9 game . Much better purchase than my 5800 ultra .

This time its about speed too. As i doubt my 9700pro will run eq2 at the speed i want (doubting even nv40 will although it should be optimized for it )

[ninelven]

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[Geo]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Hmmmm....think Dave can get a few 6800Us out of it?

Dave is probably too nice to try, tho if I were him I would at least clear my throat on the matter to the appropriate people in that low key professional manner of his. If he wants to play hardball he needs Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

He's correct, it's not just his say so.

I just would to know why :?[/quote]

"fair use" is for words, not images & logos and such. For one thing, fair use presumes that only a smallish portion of the whole is being used, and that doesn't have any grounding in reality for an image or a logo. And a logo has a whole "endorsed by" thing associated with it in most peoples minds. It is the difference between, say William Ford III getting caught saying something nice about a GM car which GM then uses in an advertisement. . .versus GM slapping a big blue Ford logo next to the Chevy logo on that same car.

Now, NV might even think they were doing him a favor in that they were going to quote him anyway might as well help drive some traffic/increase brand recognition too. Or maybe just an exec assistant who didn't give it much thought. My guess is if he bitches he'll get a polite apology and promise to be more careful next time.

[DarN]

Originally Posted by geo

If he wants to play hardball he needs Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe.

I say call Wolfram & Hart.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by ninelven

<ot>
JVD, how much system ram do you have? EQ2 still benefits greatly from more system ram - up to 2GB recomended for the highest setting .
</ot>

Right now sadly I only have 1 gig . I just bought an athlon xp 3000+ and i'm going to get a new motherboard and my x800xt is in the mail. So i will get another half a gig for my birthday in sept. Mabye a gig depending on if my sisters are chipping in on my birthday gift (The 3 of them)

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by DarN

I say call Wolfram & Hart.

I MISS ANGEL ALREADY!!!!! (Killer last show though. )

[ANova]

I would pay to see JHH's face when I pick up an X800 XT instead of the 6800U at my local Best Buy. I should record myself doing it then send a copy to nvidia as a small token of my appreciation.

Those slides gave me a good laugh.

[MasterBaiter]

Yep, I might just buy two of them just to be spitefull!

[radar1200gs]

Originally Posted by anaqer

This is about the only actually funny stuff right now - watching how people are trying to figure out whether to make "features" or "speed" their preference now in a way that it remains backwards compatible with debates from the previous round (R3x0 vs NV3x).

You forget that SM2.0 was never really nVidia's target even with NV3x, they were after SM3.0 even then, but, like a lot of things to do with NV3x failed to fully achieve it.

[Ailuros]

Whatever PR/marketing stunts are meant for or labeled they never really impressed me or if you prefer there's hardly anything that I wouldn't expect to see. Sadly enough not all of those type of documents ever see the light of day and I'm quite confident that no IHV has ever been or will be innocent in that department.

It rather boils down to if those are actually necessary or not. In an ideal world there wouldn't be a single need for similar "marketing defenses" (call it whatever you want), but companies would purely concentrate on their own products, the according support for those and future product development. I'm not going to come up with ratings of who's worse than who in what or where; I'd rather wish examples wouldn't exist at all.

Things haven't been much different in the past either and/or in a large number of other markets, so at least for me there's no real scandal. With usual measures I'd rather consider it a "scandal" (in relative terms) if large companies would just sit idle or "defenseless" to the marketing/PR ventures of the competition. And no I'm not that naive to believe that having or considering to have the clearly superior products is going to be ever enough to sell those products.

As for the content of the slides: I'd agree under conditionals only to a few of the points made. Several debates about most topics touched have been made some time ago already, some of them being still active or repeating themselves. Basically nothing new either.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by radar1200gs

You forget that SM2.0 was never really nVidia's target even with NV3x, they were after SM3.0 even then, but, like a lot of things to do with NV3x failed to fully achieve it.

Right . They could only run sm 1.0 (or whatever p.s 1.4 falls under) at fast speeds . But thier target was 3.0

Then you know what. THe nv30 was extremly , extremly bad. Perhaps the biggest crap every released from an ihv if it missed thier targets that badly.

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by geo

"fair use" is for words, not images & logos and such. For one thing, fair use presumes that only a smallish portion of the whole is being used, and that doesn't have any grounding in reality for an image or a logo. And a logo has a whole "endorsed by" thing associated with it in most peoples minds. It is the difference between, say William Ford III getting caught saying something nice about a GM car which GM then uses in an advertisement. . .versus GM slapping a big blue Ford logo next to the Chevy logo on that same car.

Now, NV might even think they were doing him a favor in that they were going to quote him anyway might as well help drive some traffic/increase brand recognition too. Or maybe just an exec assistant who didn't give it much thought. My guess is if he bitches he'll get a polite apology and promise to be more careful next time.

Thanks

[anaqer]

Originally Posted by radar1200gs

... SM2.0 was never really nVidia's target even with NV3x, they were after SM3.0 ...

Oh dear. That's actually a pretty nice try, I give it... 8.9 points.

[Heathen]

I just would to know why

for starters : Copywright Infringement although I'm sure an imaginative lawyer could come up with a few more.

Logos are often trademarked as well...

Yes they are, although they don't need to be Copywright automaticaly covers them.

Oh dear. That's actually a pretty nice try, I give it... 8.9 points.

what on the uttter BS meter?