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Old 12-Apr-2004, 03:36   #26
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I don't udnerstand why people keep dumping on the 2-slot thing. Gimme one good reason why that should make a difference to anyone who isn't planning on sticking the thing in a HTPC/SFF case.
Most of the modern boards with intergrated everything will have spare slots, but it's worth noting that even then it's pretty easy to fill slots quickly. If say you are into home video, you could easily have a scsi/raid card and video capture, you might prefer a soundblaster or want a TV card, etc. For some people looking at this kind of card, they could already be using their PCI slots and not want to give one up to a fan.

However, I don't think two-slot cooling is inherently bad *if* it's quiet and does it's job properly. I'd rather have a bigger cooler than a card that crashes because it overheats. I also think that if you're going to use a second slot, you should at least use it to vent hot air to the outside, instead of adding to the heat in your case and encouraging heat crashes of your components (including your vid card once the ambient temperature gets high in your case).
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 03:46   #27
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I don't udnerstand why people keep dumping on the 2-slot thing. Gimme one good reason why that should make a difference to anyone who isn't planning on sticking the thing in a HTPC/SFF case.
Who was dumping on it? The only reason I comment on it at all is that if the cooler is that large it's likely because it needs to be. Which leads to other speculation.
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 03:57   #28
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I don't udnerstand why people keep dumping on the 2-slot thing. Gimme one good reason why that should make a difference to anyone who isn't planning on sticking the thing in a HTPC/SFF case.
Two slots doesn't bother me...except to the extent that it suggests there's lots of heat to dissipate. And that is a bother to me.
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 04:03   #29
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Two slots doesn't bother me...except to the extent that it suggests there's lots of heat to dissipate. And that is a bother to me.
Ah c'mon, the two dedicated molex requirement ain't enough to tell you it's gonna run pretty hot?
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 15:21   #30
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Two slots doesn't bother me...except to the extent that it suggests there's lots of heat to dissipate. And that is a bother to me.
Ah c'mon, the two dedicated molex requirement ain't enough to tell you it's gonna run pretty hot?
These power reqs are a deal-breaker for me, there's simply no way I can dedicate 2 seperate leads to the graphics card, while still powering 4 HDDs, 2 optical drives, 2 floppies and 7 fans. :?

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Old 12-Apr-2004, 15:57   #31
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I don't udnerstand why people keep dumping on the 2-slot thing. Gimme one good reason why that should make a difference to anyone who isn't planning on sticking the thing in a HTPC/SFF case.
Enthusiasts won't care, OEM manufacturers will care.
The ones like Dell, Compaq, and Gateway might care but the Alienware, VoodooPC, and Falcon Northwests of the world don't seem to care that much.

edit: But even then, why would anyone on any of the hardware forums give a rats ass as to whether the thing takes up 2 slots or not. We're all pretty much aware of the pitfalls of putting anything in PCI-1 so if an AGP card comes along and happens to take up that slot why should we care? Hell, I'm noticing more and more motherboards that don't even HAVE a PCI slot in that position, just empty space.

It just seems to me that's what most people focus on when they talk about the newer generation of nVIdia cards. If you gonna gripe on something, gripe on how LONG the thing is!
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 16:16   #32
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The ones like Dell, Compaq, and Gateway might care but the Alienware, VoodooPC, and Falcon Northwests of the world don't seem to care that much.
True, but who sells more PCs? (or "Who will be buying more video cards for the PCs they sell?" might explain my thinking better....I mean "me thinking" )

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But even then, why would anyone on any of the hardware forums give a rats ass as to whether the thing takes up 2 slots or not. We're all pretty much aware of the pitfalls of putting anything in PCI-1 so if an AGP card comes along and happens to take up that slot why should we care? Hell, I'm noticing more and more motherboards that don't even HAVE a PCI slot in that position, just empty space.
True, but we all just love wasting our time on these boards speculating every single angle of every rumor/picture/spec to death....we're all just kind of weird that way.

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It just seems to me that's what most people focus on when they talk about the newer generation of nVIdia cards. If you gonna gripe on something, gripe on how LONG the thing is!
We will, we just haven't gotten that far yet! (I still gotta shower, THEN I try and figure out how to piss off nVidia today. )
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 16:20   #33
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I don't udnerstand why people keep dumping on the 2-slot thing. Gimme one good reason why that should make a difference to anyone who isn't planning on sticking the thing in a HTPC/SFF case.
Enthusiasts won't care, OEM manufacturers will care.
The ones like Dell, Compaq, and Gateway might care but the Alienware, VoodooPC, and Falcon Northwests of the world don't seem to care that much.

edit: But even then, why would anyone on any of the hardware forums give a rats ass as to whether the thing takes up 2 slots or not. We're all pretty much aware of the pitfalls of putting anything in PCI-1 so if an AGP card comes along and happens to take up that slot why should we care? Hell, I'm noticing more and more motherboards that don't even HAVE a PCI slot in that position, just empty space.

It just seems to me that's what most people focus on when they talk about the newer generation of nVIdia cards. If you gonna gripe on something, gripe on how LONG the thing is!
Well, heat dispersion is a good reason to keep PC-1 clear, but if PC-1 is taken up by the fan, then you should be keeping PC-2 clear.

Frankly, if they use a two-slot solution, I'd at least expect it to pump heat OUT of the case. *cuddles VGA Silencer*
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 17:19   #34
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the 2 slot would be a problem for shuttle xpc owners, hell the power requirement alone will do it in as well
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Old 12-Apr-2004, 18:18   #35
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I think my PSU will be ok...

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Old 12-Apr-2004, 18:54   #36
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No, I cannot believe the real thing is going to require 2 seperate leads. Maybe only the top ultra,ultra card of the series that exists to beat the top ati card in the benchmarks, but not the slower variants nvidia's actually planning to sell. That would be suicide.
Maybe one lead for the second fastest of the bunch.

A big cooler would be ok aslong as the fan's slow and silent.
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It just seems to me that's what most people focus on when they talk about the newer generation of nVIdia cards. If you gonna gripe on something, gripe on how LONG the thing is!
<Insert your favorite "length vs. girth" dirty joke here>

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