AMD Cinema 2.0 tech demo: real-time photo-realistic human models

AnarchX · 13-Aug-2008, 07:40

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At first, this image may seem rather boring. Who's this woman and why is she on the front page of Joystiq? This image is rather uneventful until two facts are revealed: a) she's a CG creation and b) she's being rendered in real time with new AMD technology. AMD's new effort, "Cinema 2.0," promises to bring photorealistic graphics that blend the visual fidelity found only in the most recent of Hollywood movies to the interactive space. AMD is imagining a future where consumers won't just play movies, they'll play in them.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/12/am...-human-models/

Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. · 13-Aug-2008, 08:15

From the demo movie they posted a few months back, the rotoscoping of the actors is extraordinarily realistic, which triggers all kinds of perception response that really make you think you're looking at film of an actor. Seriously, it's like image capture down to every muscle and milimetre of skin. The level of realism is a huge, huge jump over what we've seen previoiusly for this type of hardware.

It's not just the fact that AMD has got these terrabit processors, but the software and hardware they've built around it to take advantage of it in the form of Cinema 2.0.

Pressure · 13-Aug-2008, 08:32

Looks very promising. Any link to the video in question?

Other than the ones that were shown at the RV700 release.

hoom · 13-Aug-2008, 10:40

In one of the other threads about this tech they have the guy showing how its captured.
Of note is that at least currently they don't know how to put arbritrary animations into it, can only run the animations they have captured.

slapnutz · 13-Aug-2008, 10:41

The Joystiq article heading should have been...

"AMD Cinema 2.0 tech demo: real-time photo-realistic human head which is already maxing out the 3d hardware its running on, thus pointless since not many games with graphics, sound, physics, a.i are based on a single human head onscreen, restricted above the shoulders"

(excluding Brainage)

Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. · 13-Aug-2008, 10:52

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Originally Posted by slapnutz

The Joystiq article heading should have been...

"AMD Cinema 2.0 tech demo: real-time photo-realistic human head which is already maxing out the 3d hardware its running on, thus pointless since not many games with graphics, sound, physics, a.i are based on a single human head onscreen, restricted above the shoulders"

(excluding Brainage)

That's the question, is it something usable, or just a boutique technology? I'm not really sure whether it's aimed at games, or the movie industry. Maybe both?

hoom · 13-Aug-2008, 10:54

It seems like you couldn't use it for a FPS any time soon but I can see some types of game that it could be amazing for eg Myst type puzzles

Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. · 13-Aug-2008, 10:59

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Originally Posted by hoom

It seems like you couldn't use it for a FPS any time soon but I can see some types of game that it could be amazing for eg Myst type puzzles

I can see it could be quite useful for rotoscoping actors (those hybrid performances like Gollum, King Kong, Hollow Man, I Robot, etc), but without being able to independently animate what you capture, you can't get to virtual actors. These are two key things for this kind of technology, so I can't see that AMD would have embarked down this road without some idea of how to get to those goals.

Davros · 13-Aug-2008, 12:34

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Originally Posted by slapnutz

restricted above the shoulders

they should of at least got to the boobies

suryad · 13-Aug-2008, 12:42

that had me cracking up Davros. But truly awe inspiring stuff from AMD.

Jawed · 13-Aug-2008, 12:52

I really want to see the video of :

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/amd-ci...0/970668/full/

as the clothing and environment seems rather more complex.

Jawed

D3B · 13-Aug-2008, 22:34

Here is a video of that pic in #1 post.

at 1:45- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7AukqqaDQ

AnarchX · 14-Aug-2008, 14:16

More vids:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/09...ng-technology/

They also plan a cloud computing based game on base of this amazing graphics:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/11...-in-the-cloud/

fellix · 14-Aug-2008, 14:39

I refuse to believe all this is a real-time render!

ShaidarHaran · 14-Aug-2008, 14:47

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Originally Posted by fellix

I refuse to believe all this is a real-time render!

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational computer station!

AnarchX · 14-Aug-2008, 14:58

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Originally Posted by fellix

I refuse to believe all this is a real-time render!

Indeed, especially if you read this in the LiveSpace article:

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Here’s what OTOY’s Jules Urbach has to say:

The 14 mins of real time rendering in this material is streaming live to a Treo 700 at 240 kpbs. This was captured on March 2007, the server was running an ATI RX 1900 GPU. The tech has improved massively since then (as has the HW we now run on). There was never intention to show any part of this to the public until we could include voxel rendering and Lightstage based characters. I think anyone who liked what they saw, will find the final project much more impressive.

So I ask me, what did other studios wrong that these guy can just create such an amazing graphics.

Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. · 14-Aug-2008, 15:15

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Originally Posted by AnarchX

Indeed, especially if you read this in the LiveSpace article:

So I ask me, what did other studios wrong that these guy can just create such an amazing graphics.

There were links in this previous thread stating the work that was going on in this field and things like how the Transformers teasers were all done like this in real time.

I think the main thing is that graphics like these have been available for quite a while if you spend a lot on the software (or write your own) and have large render farms to render this stuff offline.

Now however, we have huge amounts of computing power in the form of these new graphics card. With new software and techniques, that computing power can be utilised to do complex graphics in real time. What was offline rendering with multiple computers has now come within reach of a single desktop system with a specialised number-crunchers in the form of a 4800 class card.

With a couple of X2 cards, that's basically a mini-farm of mega-processors - that's what, the best part of five terrabits (plus the CPU) of processing power in one desktop computer? Sheer madness!

fellix · 14-Aug-2008, 16:04

Whatever is happening here, we talk about a huge amount of (non)temporal data for such ultra-high level of details being generated and processed.
Now, there is again the XSP on the X2 comes to mind and the rapid data streaming between the cores. But the other thing here is how the sheer integer processing capability of the shader array in RV770 would be used to do a real-time compression of those long data streams, passing the bi-directional link?!

fellix · 14-Aug-2008, 20:28

New "extended" run of the Ruby 2.0 video

Jawed · 14-Aug-2008, 20:42

Fellix, you spoilt the ending for peeps who haven't seen it yet!

It's damned impressive, really hard to remember it's realtime - except the Ruby model has horrible geometry, particularly the hair and wrists. ARGH.

The continuity is extremely wonky for that final close-up, too.

Jawed

fellix · 14-Aug-2008, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Jawed

Fellix, you spoilt the ending for peeps who haven't seen it yet!

You mean the "Game Over" green hologram, which certainly is not referring to Nvidia?

pjbliverpool · 14-Aug-2008, 21:29

All this stuff is really amazing but until I can actually run it on my PC, as a demo but even more relevant, as a game, it doesn't mean much.

That 3d world supposedly rendered on a 1900XT for example.

I mean.. if a 1900XT was capable of that then why aren't we seeing anything remotely close to that in current games? The 360 has comparable power to a 1900XT and devs can code to the metal on that thing. And yet the best its produced doesn't come anywhere near that.

Unknown Soldier · 14-Aug-2008, 21:55

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Originally Posted by fellix

New "extended" run of the Ruby 2.0 video

Very Kewl. Translated

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PCGH presents the Ruby in the Black Edition: The brand-tech demo based on the 2.0-Cinema initiative from AMD shows Ruby's fight with a robot.

Even yesterday we were fresh pictures about Cinema 2.0 point from AMD (AMD Cinema 2.0: Photo-realistic characters with Radeon HD 4800 (Update: more pictures). PCGH Now came into the possession of the complete demo and can now exclusively new screenshots and a matching Video show.

News Source: http://translate.google.co.za/transl...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

US

I.S.T. · 14-Aug-2008, 22:05

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Originally Posted by AnarchX

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/12/am...-human-models/

I believe it. the lighting is a bit off, and the facial expression is kind of off looking somehow. I don't know how to describe it exactly.

That said, it's clearly the most accurate rendering I've ever seen.

phenix · 14-Aug-2008, 22:43

Everything in that video is cool except Ruby.

13-Aug-2008, 08:32	#3
Pressure Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 269	Looks very promising. Any link to the video in question? Other than the ones that were shown at the RV700 release. __________________ Never Argue With An Idiot. They'll Lower You To Their Level And Then Beat You With Experience!

13-Aug-2008, 10:40	#4
hoom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,670	In one of the other threads about this tech they have the guy showing how its captured. Of note is that at least currently they don't know how to put arbritrary animations into it, can only run the animations they have captured. __________________ However, the above is the heart of the foreskin capacitance

13-Aug-2008, 10:41	#5
slapnutz Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 391	The Joystiq article heading should have been... "AMD Cinema 2.0 tech demo: real-time photo-realistic human head which is already maxing out the 3d hardware its running on, thus pointless since not many games with graphics, sound, physics, a.i are based on a single human head onscreen, restricted above the shoulders" (excluding Brainage) __________________ SHENMUE 3 ... Do you want to play it? Sign the petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/shen1986/petition.html

13-Aug-2008, 10:54	#7
hoom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,670	It seems like you couldn't use it for a FPS any time soon but I can see some types of game that it could be amazing for eg Myst type puzzles __________________ However, the above is the heart of the foreskin capacitance

14-Aug-2008, 14:39	#14
fellix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Varna, Bulgaria Posts: 1,509	I refuse to believe all this is a real-time render! __________________ Baby, It's Cold Outside

13-Aug-2008, 08:15	#2
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,210	From the demo movie they posted a few months back, the rotoscoping of the actors is extraordinarily realistic, which triggers all kinds of perception response that really make you think you're looking at film of an actor. Seriously, it's like image capture down to every muscle and milimetre of skin. The level of realism is a huge, huge jump over what we've seen previoiusly for this type of hardware. It's not just the fact that AMD has got these terrabit processors, but the software and hardware they've built around it to take advantage of it in the form of Cinema 2.0.

13-Aug-2008, 12:42	#10
suryad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,927	that had me cracking up Davros. But truly awe inspiring stuff from AMD.

13-Aug-2008, 12:52	#11
Jawed Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,532	I really want to see the video of : http://www.joystiq.com/photos/amd-ci...0/970668/full/ as the clothing and environment seems rather more complex. Jawed

13-Aug-2008, 22:34	#12
D3B Naughty Boy! Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 222	Here is a video of that pic in #1 post. at 1:45- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7AukqqaDQ

14-Aug-2008, 14:16	#13
AnarchX Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 991	More vids: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/09...ng-technology/ They also plan a cloud computing based game on base of this amazing graphics: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/11...-in-the-cloud/

14-Aug-2008, 16:04	#18
fellix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Varna, Bulgaria Posts: 1,509	Whatever is happening here, we talk about a huge amount of (non)temporal data for such ultra-high level of details being generated and processed. Now, there is again the XSP on the X2 comes to mind and the rapid data streaming between the cores. But the other thing here is how the sheer integer processing capability of the shader array in RV770 would be used to do a real-time compression of those long data streams, passing the bi-directional link?! __________________ Baby, It's Cold Outside

14-Aug-2008, 20:28	#19
fellix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Varna, Bulgaria Posts: 1,509	New "extended" run of the Ruby 2.0 video __________________ Baby, It's Cold Outside

14-Aug-2008, 20:42	#20
Jawed Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,532	Fellix, you spoilt the ending for peeps who haven't seen it yet! It's damned impressive, really hard to remember it's realtime - except the Ruby model has horrible geometry, particularly the hair and wrists. ARGH. The continuity is extremely wonky for that final close-up, too. Jawed

14-Aug-2008, 21:29	#22
pjbliverpool B3D Scallywag Join Date: May 2005 Location: Guess... Posts: 3,176	All this stuff is really amazing but until I can actually run it on my PC, as a demo but even more relevant, as a game, it doesn't mean much. That 3d world supposedly rendered on a 1900XT for example. I mean.. if a 1900XT was capable of that then why aren't we seeing anything remotely close to that in current games? The 360 has comparable power to a 1900XT and devs can code to the metal on that thing. And yet the best its produced doesn't come anywhere near that. __________________ PowerVR PCX1 4MB --> Voodoo Banshee 16MB --> GeForce2 MX200 32MB --> GeForce2 Ti 64MB --> GeForce4 Ti 4200 128MB --> 9800Pro 128MB --> 8800GTS 640MB --> Radeon HD 5850 1GB

14-Aug-2008, 22:43	#25
phenix Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 544	Everything in that video is cool except Ruby.

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