[liolio]

I won't do a second edit... lol

Some time I wonder what's going on at Sony, their strategy line almost like like a troubled teenager "U need the biggest c**k of the high school to get laid".
I mean they knew the 3ds was underpowered, it's their direct competitor but they wanted to beat Apple instead...
They are selling device that use SoC they are not designing (phones), why in hell they though they had to come with a quad core and a massive gpu to compete, especially on their own?

If you look at the 3ds pushes and what a exynos 4210 (so the 45nm version) or an equivalent can push, as well as taking in account the fact that the psv would have 4 time the ram... Well it's the difference between the dreamcast and the xbox at least. how that was not enough to make a difference for core gamers?
Both system would still have been close enough for developers to came with mostly the same game, but the difference on screen be it graphic by themselves or physics would have been massive.
Looking forward the evolution was already available (exynos on 32nm HKMG for example) was already available.

Then there is the second analog stick and the overall ergonomic, a foldable design would have the controls more "breath".

I'm not opposed to the proprietary sd card though pricing is a too high. Piracy is definitely a concern. I see nothing wrong with Sony making money on them, while trying to prevent piracy.
Actually Sony may have fit two sd card slots, so if the device takes off and used as say an ipod you can have a lot of content on your device / minimize swapping operations.

Costs should have driven the development, it's not the case in any way.
The screen for example, even in house it has to be expansive, not too mention that it's over specced too (like the whole system imho) and some of the most demanding games are not rendered at its native resolution. There must have been more economical solution still providing nice power characteristic.

When you put everything together from non necessary R&D efforts to useless expanses (back touch screen, high quality screen) and the overall "over specced " nature of the device I feel like Sony missed again a opportunity to really challenge Nintendo in the handled realm and trade their crown in the living room for one in the handled realm.

I mean here who would dismiss such a product without thinking twice about it:
-It's sony and comes with editors supports and outstanding exclusive
-It could have been a bargain at 169$ ( a bit like a Nexus 7 @199$ it's tough to resist for geeks...)
-It obliterate the 3ds on cross platform games.
-It comes with a nice library of psp games (for those that doesn't upgrade it's still nice early on)
-It has so much more of a potential as a media player and for occasional browsing for example(vs the 3DS).
-It has a big screen (5" or less if costs called for it, the 4.3" in the psp wasn't bad either) vs the 3ds 3" screen.
-The screen is multi-touch, they should have include a stylus.
-It doesn't have a second screen but controls are better, there is a second stick.
-It feels more reliable (foldable) and can fit in your pocket (even though it's still not an iPhone)(as a side effect (+ lower price) the device is more kid friendly)

Ultimately who really care for the quad core CPU and the quad core GPU? I mean some people were trying to make that point, the result is there people make arbitration between the utility and the price of a device, the psv as it is with high specs at this price is not worth that much people money.

The more I think about they may as well scratch the PSV, I know they won't and that would be an hell to sell that to early adopters, but I wonder how it can fly for Sony without them loosing money they don't have at a time where they are out of luck: Yen is high, it's clear to the world now that their is a market for 7" tablet @199$ 32nm and 28 should be cheaper soon enough and that gonna hurts Sony further.

EDIT
As a side note I wonder if the PSV hardware can be fitted in a phone, both power size and with regard to the form factor (it would be significant bulkier than even a galaxy note).

[rekator]

Liolio, simple the target for Sony is the "teenagers" you're speaking but from the 90's. They're don't change their strategic and from PS3 experience that's work 'cause PS3 target "teenagers" from PS One and Two area, but for PSP not so much, it's not the same "teenagers" and for actuals teenagers "Big c**k is on Phones… And don't forget that the Connect Social aspect is more important for them than others.
Problem for VIta it's that they're not appealing for Kids and not so much for actuals teenagers and young adults, the potential for Vita is more on people who grow with the Playstation brand, but is not a big market…A loyal market but not so big… Sony need to focus on this point, small numbers of customers, like around 20M can be small , but with high potential.

[eastmen]

Would sony be better off as a 3rd party ?


THink about it , they have alot of developer muscle but it seems like they are falling off in the hardware sector. Sony could make alot of money with their games on the 3ds and on the xbox

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by liolio

EDIT
As a side note I wonder if the PSV hardware can be fitted in a phone, both power size and with regard to the form factor (it would be significant bulkier than even a galaxy note).

At 28nm, I believe a 4-core Cortex A9 + SGX543MP4 would fit in a ~4.3" smartphone form-factor.
It couldn't be 7mm thick, but they could do a ~12mm slider and fit a large-enough battery.

[liolio]

Originally Posted by rekator

Liolio, simple the target for Sony is the "teenagers" you're speaking but from the 90's. They're don't change their strategic and from PS3 experience that's work 'cause PS3 target "teenagers" from PS One and Two area, but for PSP not so much, it's not the same "teenagers" and for actuals teenagers "Big c**k is on Phones… And don't forget that the Connect Social aspect is more important for them than others.

Well that's why I said in the other post there are stuffs Sony can't compete with, you need a proper OS to do so.
For the kids, well you make me feel like an old fart... lol. It must be true, I'm out of touch with this generation (my friends kid are younger) and I just don't like the state of mind of the few I meet.

Wrt to the c*** word I didn't use it for the teenagers who would buy the device because it's the best/biggest but for SOny. I mean why do they think they have to come with something bigger than anyone else? They are competing on the handled market, right?

Problem for Vita it's that they're not appealing for Kids and not so much for actual teenagers and young adults, the potential for Vita is more on people who grow with the Playstation brand, but is not a big market…A loyal market but not so big… Sony need to focus on this point, small numbers of customers, like around 20M can be small , but with high potential.

Well if they can reach 20 millions they may make money, Nintendo made money more than often out of pretty tiny user base.
The issue is will they or how long is it going to take. We see that @ 249$ it's not cutting, which means that Sony has to lose more money to sell its device.
Overall I do not agree with this description of the potential market for a PSP2. May the PSV fit into that description, but other design choices were possible and I believe that there still a market for a PSP2 (so a game only device + may be some extra). Either way they had to release a line of Android phone, tabs,. What they did is to kill the development of xperia play 2 because they saw it most likely as threatening.

[liolio]

Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

At 28nm, I believe a 4-core Cortex A9 + SGX543MP4 would fit in a ~4.3" smartphone form-factor.
It couldn't be 7mm thick, but they could do a ~12mm slider and fit a large-enough battery.

Well that's investing lot of moneys again on what is most likely already a loss.
Not too mention that by the time they do that it won't be that great vs the competition.
There are design issues the quad core is not tegra 3 like with its low power fifth cores.
etc.

As a phone it may not look that good.

EDIT
a reall forward looking design would have been as the inspiron duo below with proper controls instead of a keyboard and in form factor matching a 4<x<5 inches creen.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/t...=us&l=en&cs=19