[eastmen]

Originally Posted by tuna

There is no risk and basically no downside for Google if there are various Android versions being used at the same time.

Is Apple hurting because there are different MacOSX versions being used at the same time?

isn't amazon fire based on 2.2 . The larger the install base for 2.2 the more developers will stay on that and it can handicap andriods future sucess as other platforms are able to move foward.

[bdmosky]

http://imgur.com/a/DL2Ox

Here are a bunch of screenshots from the SDK.

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by bdmosky

http://imgur.com/a/DL2Ox

Here are a bunch of screenshots from the SDK.

I got to see a sprint prototype today , i only had a few minutes with it however a few of the sprint guys have them and are testing them with the sprint network. From what i can tell the screen on the phone was larger than the galaxy 2 and clearer and it was quite a thin phone . It sadly had no physical keyboard and no branding so no idea what company produced it. I got to load up pirates on the phone and it loading much much faster than my arrive loads it . I wish that i could have played with it more , however it was just a quick meeting about what phones we were going to purchase this year for the maintance staff since there wont be any nextel left in the area.

[Mize]

The e. e. cummings of phone HMIs.

[Arun]

Originally Posted by eastmen

isn't amazon fire based on 2.2 . The larger the install base for 2.2 the more developers will stay on that and it can handicap andriods future sucess as other platforms are able to move foward.

I have no info on this, but you'd expect Amazon to switch to a newer Android version (I think ICS was rumoured) for future products and update existing products at the same time, so while it does make a large number of devices lag behind a bit, I doubt it's as bad as you say.

Regarding Windows Phone 8, I'm curious whether it'll be mostly based on the Adreno 225-based MSM8960 or if it'll use the Adreno 320-based MSM8960 as well sooner rather than later... Hmm!

[eastmen]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/32...medium=twitter


Samsung has 2 windows 8 phones in development. a 4.65 dual core and a 4inch. These were submited due to the the apple vs samsung trial.

Described as an "iconic smartphone," Samsung's Odyssey device will feature a 4.65-inch Super AMOLED display with HD resolution and an 8-megapixel rear camera. Samsung also marks the Odyssey as an NFC device, suggesting it will support Microsoft's upcoming Wallet Hub and Tap + Send features in Windows Phone 8. The Marco will include a 4-inch S-AMOLED display with WVGA resolution and a 5-megapixel rear camera. Both handsets will be LTE-capable and, if the documents are up-to-date, appear to be launching in Q4 2012 — matching the rumored Windows Phone 8 release date.

[french toast]

Originally Posted by Arun

I have no info on this, but you'd expect Amazon to switch to a newer Android version (I think ICS was rumoured) for future products and update existing products at the same time, so while it does make a large number of devices lag behind a bit, I doubt it's as bad as you say.

Regarding Windows Phone 8, I'm curious whether it'll be mostly based on the Adreno 225-based MSM8960 or if it'll use the Adreno 320-based MSM8960 as well sooner rather than later... Hmm!

It's the msm 8960...or in up to date Qualcomm speak....snapdragon 'plus'.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/31...dragon-s4-plus

[joker454]

Sweet! I love my Titan's 4.7" screen and refuse to go smaller, so that Samsung 4.65" may be just the ticket.

[Mize]

Originally Posted by joker454

Sweet! I love my Titan's 4.7" screen and refuse to go smaller, so that Samsung 4.65" may be just the ticket.

Uh...nevermind

[joker454]

Originally Posted by Mize

Uh...nevermind

It's just about the same, can't imagine 0.05" will be that noticeable. I could never downgrade to a 4" screen though.

[Mize]

I was just teasing...OMG you're phone is ONLY 4.65"!? Ha! Mine's 4.70!!

[Jubei]

Originally Posted by Arun

I have no info on this, but you'd expect Amazon to switch to a newer Android version (I think ICS was rumoured) for future products and update existing products at the same time, so while it does make a large number of devices lag behind a bit, I doubt it's as bad as you say.

Regarding Windows Phone 8, I'm curious whether it'll be mostly based on the Adreno 225-based MSM8960 or if it'll use the Adreno 320-based MSM8960 as well sooner rather than later... Hmm!

IIRC Qualcomm stated the first phones would use the Adreno 225. But a leaked HTC roadmap showed a WP8 device codenamed "Zenith" that was a quad-core to be released before the end of the year

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by Jubei

IIRC Qualcomm stated the first phones would use the Adreno 225. But a leaked HTC roadmap showed a WP8 device codenamed "Zenith" that was a quad-core to be released before the end of the year

I'd expect a range of phones from free all the way up to $200 . So we will most likely see all diffrent chips in there.

[eastmen]

Well

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-phone-j...re-7000002059/

Well a 277% increase isn't bad , its not great either but it is up to 3.2% of the market and continues to grow. With windows phone 8 later this year they will most likely slot in 3rd place behind andriod and ios . If they can come close to 8 or 10% of the global market then the OS has a future ahead of it.

[wco81]

That's shipments into the channel, not sell-through.

There was a big push to get the Lumias out. But how many did they actually sell? Wasn't the Nokia quarterly report disappoint with the sales numbers?

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by wco81

That's shipments into the channel, not sell-through.

There was a big push to get the Lumias out. But how many did they actually sell? Wasn't the Nokia quarterly report disappoint with the sales numbers?

I think the lumia line was selling better this past quarter than previous quarters

[Silent_Buddha]

Originally Posted by eastmen

Well

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-phone-j...re-7000002059/

Well a 277% increase isn't bad , its not great either but it is up to 3.2% of the market and continues to grow. With windows phone 8 later this year they will most likely slot in 3rd place behind andriod and ios . If they can come close to 8 or 10% of the global market then the OS has a future ahead of it.

Not bad, that's roughly 20% of Apple iOS phone shipments. It'll be interesting to see how Win8 does. I'm going to guess it's going to get a far larger push by the various phone carriers at launch than the almost non-existant launch that Win7 had at launch.

Regards,
SB

[Laurent06]

Originally Posted by eastmen

Well

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-phone-j...re-7000002059/

Well a 277% increase isn't bad , its not great either but it is up to 3.2% of the market and continues to grow. With windows phone 8 later this year they will most likely slot in 3rd place behind andriod and ios .

They will obviously reach the 3rd place: RIM is dying and Symbian is EoL.

Now what I think is more interesting than the WP market share increase is that Android + iOS is 84.5% of the market while it was 66.5% a year ago. That leaves little room to other players.

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by Laurent06

They will obviously reach the 3rd place: RIM is dying and Symbian is EoL.

Now what I think is more interesting than the WP market share increase is that Android + iOS is 84.5% of the market while it was 66.5% a year ago. That leaves little room to other players.

well RIM has BB10 coming out in 2013 so they could turn the tide.

Andriod + IOS is huge but remember the market continues to expand and there are people who still don't own smart phoens and aren't loyal. I'm going to guess MS will climb to the mid teens in 2013 mostly due to the expanding market and not eating into andriod / ios .

IF ms can hit 20% of the market in 2014 then I think its a sucess . Thats a sizable chunk of the market.

[Laurent06]

Originally Posted by eastmen

Andriod + IOS is huge but remember the market continues to expand and there are people who still don't own smart phoens and aren't loyal. I'm going to guess MS will climb to the mid teens in 2013 mostly due to the expanding market and not eating into andriod / ios .

I agree, but I guess the prices will have be rather low because I don't think WP8 has significant advantages over Android. Anyway as you say, even if WP8 phones are just replacing other EoL/dying OSes it might be enough to say it's a significant success.

[french toast]

Yea they are encouraging figures...wp8 is set to get a big push by the carriers as they don't want a ios/android monopoly...with three decent platforms to choose from they can haggle to keep the prices down.

Samsung and HTC have held back giving wp a proper funding in line with android devices untill wp8 comes with feature parity.

[wco81]

Right, because MS has shown itself to be a benevolent dictator when they wield market power.

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by wco81

Right, because MS has shown itself to be a benevolent dictator when they wield market power.

Its not about us wanting ms to be a monopoly in the market. its about us not wanting IOS / Andriod to have dominate market share. Even a duoploly would cause problems in the market and I would rather at least 3 some what even market players perhaps even 4 if rim gets its act together

[french toast]

3-4 equal share...all making plenty of profit and innovating...along with 3-4 soc manufacturers the same...and 6 or so handset manufacturers.

[eastmen]

Originally Posted by french toast

3-4 equal share...all making plenty of profit and innovating...along with 3-4 soc manufacturers the same...and 6 or so handset manufacturers.

That would work. Even better is if there is some flux in the system. For example mabye it be good if MS/RIM gain while APPLE/GOOGLE start loosing for awhile and have it flip flop around the 4 of them with diffrent ones gaining and loosing during the time.