[Bludd]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

It's not like Hamilton didn't have more than his fair share of "hot headed manouvers", heck, they changed the whole reprimand system because of him, as the old system really didn't give you any punishments no matter how many reprimands you got

Never did Hamilton chop a driver off after the session was over.

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by UniversalTruth

They don't win because of the engine, actually what that engine does is to close the gap with the others.
To compare Renault with Ferrari and Mercedes is insane.
One-time wonders...

The Renault engine has good torque and power distribution and it has been the most successful engine in recent history wrt. engine mapping customization.

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula...e_manufacturer

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by Bludd

The Renault engine has good torque and power distribution and it has been the most successful engine in recent history wrt. engine mapping customization.

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula...e_manufacturer

Engine is only part of the package, just look at Caterham for example, same damn Renault engine

[Lightman]

Originally Posted by UniversalTruth

They don't win because of the engine, actually what that engine does is to close the gap with the others.
To compare Renault with Ferrari and Mercedes is insane.
One-time wonders...

I think you are mixing Renault car company with Renault F1 engine supplier.

They were first with Turbos in F1 and they have very solid engine in current 2.4l V8 formula.
It's a bit weaker on top power than Merc or Ferrari but it is more drivable according to many drivers.
Besides it was best engine for blown diffusers thanks to way it was build.
Renault still has advantage in fuel consumption compared to competition, not a small thing in weight sensitive competition.


Regarding Kimi, he is getting better and has pretty good chance of a win this year.


EDIT: Didn't notice Bludd answered that on following page

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Engine is only part of the package, just look at Caterham for example, same damn Renault engine

I doubt Williams would have won with a Cossie.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by Bludd

I doubt Williams would have won with a Cossie.

No, but "notoriously bad" (cossie) and "not quite at the top" (renault) aren't a same thing

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

No, but "notoriously bad" (cossie) and "not quite at the top" (renault) aren't a same thing

Ultimate top-end power is not everything.

[Tahir2]

During the race Maldanado almost pushed two other racers, whilst defending, off the track at this exact same corner.

Now he does it to Hamilton but lacks the skill to avoid a collision.. amateur.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by Tahir2

During the race Maldanado almost pushed two other racers, whilst defending, off the track at this exact same corner.

Now he does it to Hamilton but lacks the skill to avoid a collision.. amateur.

"Almost push" and "push" are two different things you know.

Show me the F1 driver who can steer a car to avoid collision when it's front wheels are airborne.

[itsmydamnation]

Hamilton didn't push him anywhere, at any time Maldonado could have yielded and he he hadn't taken the position and never was in a position to so he should have. remember nicko earlier this year ( cant remember which race) "pushing" people off the track on the straight, nothing came of that.

compare what Micheal did to rubans if you want to see the difference.

Your allowed one defensive move,

Hamilton was in front
Hamilton took a line through the corner and didn't really deviate
Maldonado went off the track ( that was his own choice) and then rejoined in an unsafe manner.

this racing not happy fluffy bunny rabbits. There racing for position and in that regard Hamilton did nothing wrong.

kaotik, the only reason his front wheels where airborne was from his own choice. When everyone in the whole entire world including the stewards disagrees with you, how about accepting your wrong .

[Tahir2]

Also, arguably, Renault has the best engine in Formula One currently.

[Kaotik]

itsmydamnation, I know quite a lot people agree with me
are you also in the process suggesting for example that Hamilton didn't do the same to Grosjean just because he decided to be kind and let Grosjean pass him instead?

[UniversalTruth]

London 'set for street circuit GP'

London is in line to host an incredible street circuit Formula One grand prix that would run past some of the most famous landmarks in the British capital, according to a report.

The 81-year-old Ecclestone is reportedly desperate to make the London race happen, so much so that he will offer to promote it himself - an unheard-of offer at a time when governments across the world are willing to pay £30m for the rights to stage a grand prix.

Billionaire Ecclestone - who is currently in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons after a banker he paid £10m to was jailed on bribery charges - claims that the race would pay for itself, attracting 120,000 spectators and generating up to £100 million for the British economy.

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by UniversalTruth

London 'set for street circuit GP'

London is in line to host an incredible street circuit Formula One grand prix that would run past some of the most famous landmarks in the British capital, according to a report.

The 81-year-old Ecclestone is reportedly desperate to make the London race happen, so much so that he will offer to promote it himself - an unheard-of offer at a time when governments across the world are willing to pay £30m for the rights to stage a grand prix.

Billionaire Ecclestone - who is currently in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons after a banker he paid £10m to was jailed on bribery charges - claims that the race would pay for itself, attracting 120,000 spectators and generating up to £100 million for the British economy.

AKA "nothing's happening in Germany" or "Gribkowsky who?"

Misdirection. Classic Bernie.

[UniversalTruth]

The London GP by Santander - 3D race with Hamilton & Button

[itsmydamnation]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

itsmydamnation, I know quite a lot people agree with me
are you also in the process suggesting for example that Hamilton didn't do the same to Grosjean just because he decided to be kind and let Grosjean pass him instead?

do you just continue to ignore reality? go look at the difference in position on track. its the difference between everyone calling Maldonado a hothead and Grosjean the real deal.

let me guess your the kind of person who thinks teachers shouldn't mark in red pen and you should get rewarded for trying? At no point in that overtake attempt did Maldonado have the advantage and every choice he made let up to him running into Lewis.

[tongue_of_colicab]

I went from counting sheeps when I can't sleep to counting maldonado's crashing into hamilton's
Works like a charm.

[Kaotik]

Originally Posted by itsmydamnation

do you just continue to ignore reality? go look at the difference in position on track. its the difference between everyone calling Maldonado a hothead and Grosjean the real deal.

let me guess your the kind of person who thinks teachers shouldn't mark in red pen and you should get rewarded for trying? At no point in that overtake attempt did Maldonado have the advantage and every choice he made let up to him running into Lewis.

Seriously? Only real difference between the two attempts was the fact that Hamilton acted different - Both Grosjean and Maldonado were on the racing line, both were a bit behind Hamilton when in the corner, Grosjean perhaps half a tyre length closer.

No, I think the teacher should get a belt and beat the information into the student.

[cjo]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Seriously? Only real difference between the two attempts was the fact that Hamilton acted different - Both Grosjean and Maldonado were on the racing line, both were a bit behind Hamilton when in the corner, Grosjean perhaps half a tyre length closer.

No, I think the teacher should get a belt and beat the information into the student.

Grosjean was actually far enough ahead of Hamilton to force him to change course. Maldonado was never that far ahead.

[RobertR1]

Maldonado has crashed out of all 3 street circuits now. Melbourne, Monaco and Valencia. He's too wild for tight courses.

We will see how he matures.

[Gerry]

Maria de Villota has had a major crash testing the Marussia

Doesn't look good. Hope she's OK.

[Bludd]

She doesn't have a super license so she couldn't stand in for Timo when he was ill during the European GP. This sounds like a weird accident, driving into a lorry at slow speeds and hitting it with your head mostly. Sounds very unlucky and unusual. Hope she'll be all right.

[Kaotik]

http://twitpic.com/a3duh9/full

Doesn't look good, almost looks like the lowered what-ever-the-back-thingy-is-called-in-truck hit straight her head, even went through?

[Phil]

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft00196.html

Excellent article on overtaking that dates back to 1995, but still applies very much so (or more so) in the racing we see now days.

On the incident - I do think Hamilton should have yielded for his own sake, but can't fault him for doing otherwise. I do think Maldonado should have taken into account the danger of attempting an overtake on the outside on a car with clearly shot tyres. I also think that Hamilton would have left more space if he could have and might have underestimated how much less grip he had in the lap or two that past since losing position to Grosjean. Perhaps we all underestimate how much grip you lose corner after corner once the tyres reach the cliff.

[Davros]

She doesn't have a super license and she's 32 an unusual choice for a test drive.