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AzBat · 07-May-2012, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grall

No playstation EVER has been called PSX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_(DVR)

Tommy McClain

I.S.T. · 07-May-2012, 07:47

*knew that was coming*

Squilliam · 09-May-2012, 07:49

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The Seventh Taylor · 09-May-2012, 20:46

Based on all that's written on page 1 of this thread I'm left wondering:

If a die merger for Cell and RSX is this hard to realize (because of increasing cost, diminishing returns, lay-out difficulties, node & process differences, ownership of the IP, use of different foundries), would combining them in a single package as a SiP be a reasonable and feasible alternative?

It would eliminate the need for them to be on the same node and the same process while I suppose it could still give substantial savings in PCB real estate, and consequently at set level (more compact cabinet, less powerful power supply, perhaps no more need for a fan)?

The Seventh Taylor · 21-Jun-2012, 23:30

Mostly speculation and no new hard facts but an intriguing response from Sony when Eurogamer prompted Shuhei Yoshida at E3 about the possibility of a PS3 Super Slim:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ever-says-sony

The Seventh Taylor · 29-Jun-2012, 00:17

No clue still whether a shrink or integration of Cell/RSX is due but at least two hints in firmware v4.20 that a new console design is imminent:

[Eject Disc] has been renamed [Remove Disc]. This points at a top loader (like PS2 Slim) as opposed to the current slot loader of PS3 fat and slim.
[Hard Disk] has been renamed [System Storage] — a strong suggestion that (some versions of) the next PS3 will use solid state storage instead of an HDD

http://bit.ly/NHxOZE

Brad Grenz · 29-Jun-2012, 03:09

That's interesting, and follows a path they've taken before. A switch to flash has been an obvious move, as soon as you could get a large enough pool to be useful for significantly less than a mechanical hard drive. 64GBs has always been the amount to target. That much is probably cheaper than a 2.5 hard drive, and it's also larger than the biggest launch hard drives so it won't seem like a big downgrade. It would be a shame if a new model lost the ability to add a hard drive, though. PS Plus members need all the storage they can get!

Xenus · 29-Jun-2012, 08:41

New model if coming with flash would probably have flash then a hdd bay but no hdd. Seems like it might be reading a bit much into name changes though.

Arwin · 29-Jun-2012, 09:03

Name change for cloud storage?

The Seventh Taylor · 29-Jun-2012, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenus

New model if coming with flash would probably have flash then a hdd bay but no hdd.

More likely support for external HDD via USB, I reckon.

Grall · 29-Jun-2012, 14:41

A switch to a tray optical drive would be highly disappointing. A top-loaded drive even more so. Never that I'd buy such an abomination, so unless PS4 can play PS3 games I won't be touching my current games library ever again. I sure wish my Euro launch PS3 Phat was still working...

tuna · 29-Jun-2012, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Seventh Taylor

More likely support for external HDD via USB, I reckon.

Would be cool if this was USB3!

The Seventh Taylor · 05-Jul-2012, 11:38

More clues to back up my educated guesses: The FCC has published official approbation documents for a Sony 'CECH-4001x' -- the new PS3 typenumber.

http://bit.ly/LzmOhx

AlStrong · 05-Jul-2012, 11:49

Hopefully, someone actually takes off the heatspreader...

Xenus · 05-Jul-2012, 13:47

If rumors of it being announced at gamescon are true it shows how far E3 has fallen on the totem poll.

Shifty Geezer · 05-Jul-2012, 14:17

They announced the previous PS3 Slim at Gamescom according to Eurogamer or GamesIndustry.

TheWretched · 05-Jul-2012, 16:00

Not just according to them^^ It really was Gamescom '09

Prophecy2k · 05-Jul-2012, 16:17

I'm still on my EU BC launch 60GB PS3. It's died and been fixed once, and as of now it's looking like it won't survive the summer.

Trying to play Skyrim is bloody annoying, I boot the game up, wait wait wait till the title screen comes up. I load my game, wait wait wait for it to finish loading. The unit's fan suddenly spins up to sound like a flippin' turbine or a jet engine (actually, I've actually commissioned small gas turbines that are quieter than my PS3). I'm in the game. I play for about 5 mins, a gruelling 5mins of not being able to hear anything as all sound in the room is being overpowered by the sound of my PS3's fan, and then the PS3 overheats and I have to save and switch off. Rinse and repeat for about an hour and a half, with short intermissions of me making futile attempts to fan fresh air into my living room, and you have a typical play session for me now.

If Sony announce a new even slimmer PS3 at Gamescom, then screw BC I'm getting a new one

BoardBonobo · 05-Jul-2012, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophecy2k

I'm still on my EU BC launch 60GB PS3. It's died and been fixed once, and as of now it's looking like it won't survive the summer.

Trying to play Skyrim is bloody annoying, I boot the game up, wait wait wait till the title screen comes up. I load my game, wait wait wait for it to finish loading. The unit's fan suddenly spins up to sound like a flippin' turbine or a jet engine (actually, I've actually commissioned small gas turbines that are quieter than my PS3). I'm in the game. I play for about 5 mins, a gruelling 5mins of not being able to hear anything as all sound in the room is being overpowered by the sound of my PS3's fan, and then the PS3 overheats and I have to save and switch off. Rinse and repeat for about an hour and a half, with short intermissions of me making futile attempts to fan fresh air into my living room, and you have a typical play session for me now.

If Sony announce a new even slimmer PS3 at Gamescom, then screw BC I'm getting a new one

It might just need a good clean out and a new batch of thermal paste.

AlStrong · 06-Jul-2012, 00:13

PS3μ

/runs

Kb-Smoker · 06-Jul-2012, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophecy2k

I'm still on my EU BC launch 60GB PS3. It's died and been fixed once, and as of now it's looking like it won't survive the summer.

Trying to play Skyrim is bloody annoying, I boot the game up, wait wait wait till the title screen comes up. I load my game, wait wait wait for it to finish loading. The unit's fan suddenly spins up to sound like a flippin' turbine or a jet engine (actually, I've actually commissioned small gas turbines that are quieter than my PS3). I'm in the game. I play for about 5 mins, a gruelling 5mins of not being able to hear anything as all sound in the room is being overpowered by the sound of my PS3's fan, and then the PS3 overheats and I have to save and switch off. Rinse and repeat for about an hour and a half, with short intermissions of me making futile attempts to fan fresh air into my living room, and you have a typical play session for me now.

If Sony announce a new even slimmer PS3 at Gamescom, then screw BC I'm getting a new one

I did the same but with the slim. I went through 2 ps3 fats with BC. Kinda wish I didnt do it they are worth a lot of money now. BTW they offer $50 to switch to a slim.

BoardBonobo · 06-Jul-2012, 03:48

I've still got a fully working fat boxed up in the attic. Kind of hung onto it in case the slim ever dies.

Prophecy2k · 06-Jul-2012, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoardBonobo

It might just need a good clean out and a new batch of thermal paste.

How would one go about doing something like this? Would I need to solder anything?

Shifty Geezer · 06-Jul-2012, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophecy2k

How would one go about doing something like this? Would I need to solder anything?

Nope. Check out a YouTube vid. Just unscrew various comonents, clean off the old paste, apply your replacement, and put it all back together.

antwan · 06-Jul-2012, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

Nope. Check out a YouTube vid. Just unscrew various comonents, clean off the old paste, apply your replacement, and put it all back together.

I did this as well, although I used the ifixit guide in tandem.
It really made a difference, and I barely hear the fans now.

09-May-2012, 07:49	#28
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29-Jun-2012, 00:17	#31
The Seventh Taylor Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 31	No clue still whether a shrink or integration of Cell/RSX is due but at least two hints in firmware v4.20 that a new console design is imminent: [Eject Disc] has been renamed [Remove Disc]. This points at a top loader (like PS2 Slim) as opposed to the current slot loader of PS3 fat and slim. [Hard Disk] has been renamed [System Storage] — a strong suggestion that (some versions of) the next PS3 will use solid state storage instead of an HDD http://bit.ly/NHxOZE Last edited by The Seventh Taylor; 29-Jun-2012 at 02:47.

29-Jun-2012, 14:41	#36
Grall Invisible Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: La-la land Posts: 5,034	A switch to a tray optical drive would be highly disappointing. A top-loaded drive even more so. Never that I'd buy such an abomination, so unless PS4 can play PS3 games I won't be touching my current games library ever again. I sure wish my Euro launch PS3 Phat was still working... __________________ "If I were a science teacher and a student said the Universe is 6000 years old, I would mark that answer as wrong (why? Because it is)." -Phil Plait

05-Jul-2012, 11:49	#39
AlStrong penguins Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,978	Hopefully, someone actually takes off the heatspreader... __________________

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07-May-2012, 07:47	#27
I.S.T. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,448	knew that was coming

09-May-2012, 20:46	#29
The Seventh Taylor Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 31	Based on all that's written on page 1 of this thread I'm left wondering: If a die merger for Cell and RSX is this hard to realize (because of increasing cost, diminishing returns, lay-out difficulties, node & process differences, ownership of the IP, use of different foundries), would combining them in a single package as a SiP be a reasonable and feasible alternative? It would eliminate the need for them to be on the same node and the same process while I suppose it could still give substantial savings in PCB real estate, and consequently at set level (more compact cabinet, less powerful power supply, perhaps no more need for a fan)?

21-Jun-2012, 23:30	#30
The Seventh Taylor Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 31	Mostly speculation and no new hard facts but an intriguing response from Sony when Eurogamer prompted Shuhei Yoshida at E3 about the possibility of a PS3 Super Slim: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ever-says-sony

29-Jun-2012, 03:09	#32
Brad Grenz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,729	That's interesting, and follows a path they've taken before. A switch to flash has been an obvious move, as soon as you could get a large enough pool to be useful for significantly less than a mechanical hard drive. 64GBs has always been the amount to target. That much is probably cheaper than a 2.5 hard drive, and it's also larger than the biggest launch hard drives so it won't seem like a big downgrade. It would be a shame if a new model lost the ability to add a hard drive, though. PS Plus members need all the storage they can get!

29-Jun-2012, 08:41	#33
Xenus Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,209	New model if coming with flash would probably have flash then a hdd bay but no hdd. Seems like it might be reading a bit much into name changes though.

29-Jun-2012, 09:03	#34
Arwin Now Officially a Top 10 Poster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands Posts: 12,907	Name change for cloud storage?

05-Jul-2012, 11:38	#38
The Seventh Taylor Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 31	More clues to back up my educated guesses: The FCC has published official approbation documents for a Sony 'CECH-4001x' -- the new PS3 typenumber. http://bit.ly/LzmOhx

05-Jul-2012, 13:47	#40
Xenus Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,209	If rumors of it being announced at gamescon are true it shows how far E3 has fallen on the totem poll.

05-Jul-2012, 16:00	#42
TheWretched Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 590	Not just according to them^^ It really was Gamescom '09

05-Jul-2012, 16:17	#43
Prophecy2k Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,498	I'm still on my EU BC launch 60GB PS3. It's died and been fixed once, and as of now it's looking like it won't survive the summer. Trying to play Skyrim is bloody annoying, I boot the game up, wait wait wait till the title screen comes up. I load my game, wait wait wait for it to finish loading. The unit's fan suddenly spins up to sound like a flippin' turbine or a jet engine (actually, I've actually commissioned small gas turbines that are quieter than my PS3). I'm in the game. I play for about 5 mins, a gruelling 5mins of not being able to hear anything as all sound in the room is being overpowered by the sound of my PS3's fan, and then the PS3 overheats and I have to save and switch off. Rinse and repeat for about an hour and a half, with short intermissions of me making futile attempts to fan fresh air into my living room, and you have a typical play session for me now. If Sony announce a new even slimmer PS3 at Gamescom, then screw BC I'm getting a new one __________________ --------------- ... But nooooooo... they had to put some on rails shooting, Its like being close to orgasm and your partner suddenly stops and starts knitting . -- Nesh@B3D

06-Jul-2012, 00:13	#45
AlStrong penguins Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,978	PS3μ /runs __________________

06-Jul-2012, 03:48	#47
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