[Grall]

Originally Posted by Arwin

100 Euro for the download version. That's too much.

Have you checked out Amazon? When Win7 launched they were MASSIVELY cheaper than local retailers, and I seriously doubt buying the OS straight from MS is going to be the most cost-efficient alternative either. Anyway, with Win8 busy slouching towards bethlehem to be born, you may want to simply skip this generation entirely...

I wouldn't suggest holding on to vista for too long though, MS and everybody else seems so eager to dump it like it was radioactive. You better start saving up some cash methinks, or consider switching to linux maybe...

[pcchen]

Originally Posted by Grall

Have you checked out Amazon? When Win7 launched they were MASSIVELY cheaper than local retailers, and I seriously doubt buying the OS straight from MS is going to be the most cost-efficient alternative either.

IIRC that's because on the first few months Microsoft had some serious discounts for Windows 7 to encourage upgrades. These discounts are mostly gone for now.

[dZeus]

Originally Posted by Grall

Have you checked out Amazon? When Win7 launched they were MASSIVELY cheaper than local retailers, and I seriously doubt buying the OS straight from MS is going to be the most cost-efficient alternative either. Anyway, with Win8 busy slouching towards bethlehem to be born, you may want to simply skip this generation entirely...

I wouldn't suggest holding on to vista for too long though, MS and everybody else seems so eager to dump it like it was radioactive. You better start saving up some cash methinks, or consider switching to linux maybe...

Could you elaborate this point?

*Microsoft has extended support going till 2017 for Vista
*I haven't seen a single application that works in 7 but not in Vista. Mostly because Windows Vista is very similar to Windows 7 in underlying technology
*I'm having 0 problem running Vista (for a long time now). Most 'bad experiences' posted on the web can be described as follows: bad drivers from device manufacturers, people generally hate change, people don't understand how Vista memory management works (hint: it's a lot better than it was in XP), poor Microsoft marketing (they assumed everybody would upgrade without needing to properly explain why + MS pushing Vista through games with only superficial DX10 support)

[Blazkowicz]

if it's like windows 2000 vs XP, both OS will be equally supported for years, and they are like 95% the same thing. only towards the end, new APIs or drivers only supported XP SP2 or 2003 (what if you want Powershell, xbox 360 controller etc.)

but when that happens to Vista, you will be able to switch to windows 9, or just not care till EOL.
myself, I did hold out on windows 98 for an unreasonably long time, I had directX 9.0c and .NET 2.0 on it, even Cygwin. running my DOS games natively with fully working sound was just too convenient (some I had carried since 1992). I had to let it go because apps wouldn't care about the 16bit GDI resources limit and would cause graphical corruption.

[Arwin]

Yeah, Vista SP3 is almost identical to Windows 7 internally.

[Scott_Arm]

So the feature I was most looking forward to will not work on my macbook.

http://www.cultofmac.com/177259/why-...mountain-lion/


motherf'ers ...

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Scott_Arm

So the feature I was most looking forward to will not work on my macbook.

http://www.cultofmac.com/177259/why-...mountain-lion/


motherf'ers ...

Well, should be an easy hack.

Several 3rd party programs already enable AirPlay functionality in Mac OS X.

[Scott_Arm]

Originally Posted by Pressure

Well, should be an easy hack.

Several 3rd party programs already enable AirPlay functionality in Mac OS X.

Well, this is interesting. Airplay mirroring does not work as I thought it would. It relies on the GPUs H.264 encoding, to compress the frames before they're sent to the other device, and older Macs do not have H.264 encoding hardware on the GPU, so they'd have to do it on CPU. So basically it turns the framebuffer output into a compressed video stream and sends it to the other device.

http://www.cultofmac.com/178460/the-...-lion-feature/

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Scott_Arm

Well, this is interesting. Airplay mirroring does not work as I thought it would. It relies on the GPUs H.264 encoding, to compress the frames before they're sent to the other device, and older Macs do not have H.264 encoding hardware on the GPU, so they'd have to do it on CPU. So basically it turns the framebuffer output into a compressed video stream and sends it to the other device.

http://www.cultofmac.com/178460/the-...-lion-feature/

It actually uses Intel QuickSync

That's why only a limited number of Macs will support it with Mountain Lion.

[Scott_Arm]

Just installed. No issues with installation to report. Haven't toyed to find the differences. Anyone else with yays or nays yet?

[Pressure]

I'd recommend you read John Siracusa's review of OS X Mountain Lion at Ars Technica.

He is always very thorough about even minor changes and differences.

The only issue I have is that it doesn't support Cumulus 7 anymore because it ditched all 32-bit .kexts ... bummer.

[zed]

seems pretty minor (Glad it looks like they havent gone all IOS on us)
for anyone thats used it
did they fix finder?

and for Xcode users, does that semi-work now? (I know working completely would be a huge ask but is it like say MSVC from 1999 i.e. massive improvement), how the hell the programmers that work on XCode get to walk around apple company without getting pelted with fruit is a mystery (perhaps they dont say, I know theres a culture of security at apple, but I thought that was external not internal)

edit - I'll update after the first or second bug fix i.e. 10.8.1 or 10.8.2

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by zed

did they fix finder?

Fix what exactly?

[Scott_Arm]

I'm having some strange lock-ups that I haven't been able to figure out. Once I quit Google Chrome, and the toolbar(?) at the top of the screen and the dock were frozen and would not respond to clicks. I had to press my power button and got the shutdown prompt to come up, which responded normally. Another time I was playing a game in Steam, and the game froze completely. At first it would freeze for 10 seconds every minute or so, and then it just locked up completely.

[Pressure]

Must be something with your setup. Have it running on my home computer as well as a work computer, no issues.

What Mac and did you do a clean install of Mountain Lion or upgrade? Reset PRAM and repair permissions?

[Scott_Arm]

I have a late 2008 macbook pro. It is a supported machine. While it's running, it seems to be very snappy. I just get the odd lockup on a program, which I never experienced in Lion.

I did an upgrade install after reading about it a bit. They said upgrades are not an issue anymore. Maybe I should have gone the clean install route instead.

What's the PRAM? Are you referring to file permissions? Haven't done either of those two things.

Edit:
Btw, thanks for the tips. I'm going to try both of those when I get home. Worst case, I back things up and do a clean install.

[pcchen]

Originally Posted by Scott_Arm

What's the PRAM? Are you referring to file permissions? Haven't done either of those two things.

PRAM is like the CMOS data:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

[Scott_Arm]

Originally Posted by pcchen

PRAM is like the CMOS data:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

Resetting this will not affect Boot Camp in any way, will it?

[Grall]

Is Mountain Lion available on USB key (yet)?

Downloading the OS all over again should I ever need a reinstall would get supremely tedious...

[Scott_Arm]

Originally Posted by Grall

Is Mountain Lion available on USB key (yet)?

Downloading the OS all over again should I ever need a reinstall would get supremely tedious...

How to make a bootable disc or usb key of Mountain Lion:
http://www.cultofmac.com/180925/how-...mountain-lion/

For a clean install, would I be able to restore my personal files easily from Time Machine? I backup to Time Machine fairly regularly, but I've honestly never spent time restoring any files to know how good it is for restoring particular files. There are probably some installed apps (Steam + games) and obviously my personal docs that I'd want.

[Scott_Arm]

Reset PRAM and used disk utility to repair permissions. It found quite a few files that needed their permissions corrected. I'll see if it helps out.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Scott_Arm

Reset PRAM and used disk utility to repair permissions. It found quite a few files that needed their permissions corrected. I'll see if it helps out.

Remember that Apple has removed all 32-bit .kexts, so if any old applications use these they may cause the crash.

Have you seen the crash log?

~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

The library folder is hidden by default but you can get to it from Finder. 'Go' -> 'Go to Folder' and copy paste the line above.

To make the folder permanently visible open Terminal and type the following:

chflags nohidden ~/Library

[Scott_Arm]

Originally Posted by Pressure

Remember that Apple has removed all 32-bit .kexts, so if any old applications use these they may cause the crash.

Have you seen the crash log?

~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

The library folder is hidden by default but you can get to it from Finder. 'Go' -> 'Go to Folder' and copy paste the line above.

To make the folder permanently visible open Terminal and type the following:

chflags nohidden ~/Library

Good to know. Seems like there aren't any crash logs on my system. The applications weren't crashing, they were just freezing indefinitely and I'd have to force quit, and in the case of the dock and menu bar (or whatever it's called) I had to restart my Mac.

[Scott_Arm]

So, Dungeon Defenders just locked up on me the same as yesterday. Maybe it's some kind of campatability issue with Mountain Lion. It's very strange though. It just totally locked up. I'm looking at my GPU/CPU temps, and I'm not overheating or anything.

[Pressure]

Oh, you can restart Finder without restarting the computer.

Just Command+ALT+Escape and pick Finder.

Not sure what's wrong with Dungeon Defenders though. Really annoying.

Work case scenario I would try a clean reinstall of Mountain Lion to see if it alleviates some of the problems experienced.