[rpg.314]

Meh. These PC OEMs will keep crying cost and Apple will come in and blow them all away.

[zed]

Im answering my own question
THX have done the calculations

if you sit 50cm away from the screen the ideal monitor size is
4:3 16"
16:9 14.7"

if you sit 40cm away from the screen the ideal monitor size is
4:3 12.8"
16:9 11.7"

wow! I knew it was gonna be less than my current 24" but not that much less

@AlphaWolf Sorry I meant NZ 1000, ~820US

[hoho]

35cm? Are you sure you don't need glasses?

At work I generally have my monitors at around 1-1.2m distance and I have 2x24". At that distance they are relatively tiny and 27-30" would work much better

[Xmas]

Originally Posted by Silent_Buddha

The other thing that concerns me, which the iPad 3 illustrates is the higher energy consumption due to the need for stronger backlighting. I'm going to guess that power consumption for a high PPI LED backlit desktop panel will probably approach CCFL backlit monitor power use numbers which is significantly higher than LED backlit monitor power use.

Interestingly, Samsung is projecting lower power consumption while panel resolutions increase going forward.

Originally Posted by zed

Im answering my own question
THX have done the calculations

if you sit 50cm away from the screen the ideal monitor size is
4:3 16"
16:9 14.7"

if you sit 40cm away from the screen the ideal monitor size is
4:3 12.8"
16:9 11.7"

wow! I knew it was gonna be less than my current 24" but not that much less

In which way are these "ideal"? While you obviously might need to move your eyes (and head) with a large monitor/multimonitor setup that is in most cases preferable to constantly having to scroll or manage windows.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Arwin

What worries me is that it can't get enough juice to operate from mains. That's a design flaw imho. Mains connected should always mean you cam use the system all out, and preferably still get a recharge. Ah well, is getting a little off topic but does show at least one factor holding this back.

Will be interesting to see if high PPI AMOLED can give better results powerwise.

Vita's poweradaptor is 5V btw at 1500mA

It can charge from the mains, the chargers output is 5.1V 2.1A. What they could have done were increasing the ampere but then it wouldn't be able to charge via a high power USB port.

Are you going to be using it for more than 9 hours a day that it can provide before running out of juice?

Just buy it and don't look back. I'm using mine as I used my iPad and iPad 2. Use it in the day, charge over-night.

[zed]

In which way are these "ideal"? While you obviously might need to move your eyes (and head) with a large monitor/multimonitor setup that is in most cases preferable to constantly having to scroll or manage windows.

1. try the THX website (or google it)
2. hmmm you dont understand, ok up to now & previously since DPI is typically ~95 to get better resolutions you had to buy a larger monitor. Now Im asking say DPI is infinite i.e. remove it from the equation, what is the ideal monitor size?

@hoho yes I wear glasses, though it sounds like you might also need to get your eyes checked, longsightedness is associated with age, have you noticed when reading youre holding books further away than you used to?

[Dr Evil]

Originally Posted by Pressure

Are you going to be using it for more than 9 hours a day that it can provide before running out of juice?

Just buy it and don't look back. I'm using mine as I used my iPad and iPad 2. Use it in the day, charge over-night.

Yes the battery life itself is still good and if you actually do charge it every night then there aren't problems, but if you are a heavy user and sometimes forget to charge it during the night, the problem will manifest. I've already ran in to that situation twice in a week. With the previous iPads this wasn't that bad as the charging was much faster, but now it really takes a long time. It's not a big issue in the end, but still a big step in the wrong direction.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

Yes the battery life itself is still good and if you actually do charge it every night then there aren't problems, but if you are a heavy user and sometimes forget to charge it during the night, the problem will manifest. I've already ran in to that situation twice in a week. With the previous iPads this wasn't that bad as the charging was much faster, but now it really takes a long time. It's not a big issue in the end, but still a big step in the wrong direction.

I don't quite get why people are complaining over battery life, which is still longer than competing tablets are offering.

It is not a step back unless you have to charge it on the go because I'll agree that the 42.5Whr rating of the battery is sick. Could try and give it higher ampere with a different charger, as it technically is a Lithium-ion Polymer battery.

Heck, I charge my iPhone constantly with the iPad charger because it is faster.

[RobertR1]

Originally Posted by pcchen

IMHO the only notable feature of the new iPad compared to the iPad 2, other than the new display, is probably the camera. Their CPU is largely the same (same frequency, some number of cores), GPU is doubled but that's for the new display. The new iPad has worse battery life, and is also warmer. Considering that the new iPad 2 is US$100 cheaper and with potentially longer battery life (with the new 32nm SoC), I think we already have your hypothetical "cheaper" new iPad.

Of course, the psychological effect of owning the latest toy can't be ignored, but at least we already know that at least 3 million new iPad has been sold. I think we'll get breakdowns of sales numbers a few weeks later from the Apple's quarterly report, and we'll know how many people are willing to forfeit the high PPI display (and better camera) for US$100.

There is nothing psychilogical about the screen. It's head and shoulders above the ipad2 screen. Considering that majority of your time will be spent looking at the screen, it's likely an easy sell.

The conversation changes a little when discussing an upgrade but incase of a new purchase, I can't foresee a reason in which I and basically every reviewer would suggest the ipad2 over ipad3.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally Posted by RobertR1

The conversation changes a little when discussing an upgrade but incase of a new purchase, I can't foresee a reason in which I and basically every reviewer would suggest the ipad2 over ipad3.

Well there is the common reason of already having the former. I continue to be amazed at how apple manages to get people to upgrade. I have a friend who upgraded to the iphone 4s from the iphone 4 because of Siri... and Siri doesn't even really work in Canada.

[pcchen]

I think it's probably safe to assume that most of those bought iPad 3 early already own an iPad or iPad 2. However, if after iPad 3's wide availability, Apple is still selling a lot of iPad 2, then maybe we can say that some people are willing to sacrifice high DPI display for US$100 (which is not a small amount for a US$499 device). Personally I think it's very unlikely, so the success of iPad 3 could mean a new era of high DPI display entering mainstream.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by pcchen

I think it's probably safe to assume that most of those bought iPad 3 early already own an iPad or iPad 2. However, if after iPad 3's wide availability, Apple is still selling a lot of iPad 2, then maybe we can say that some people are willing to sacrifice high DPI display for US$100 (which is not a small amount for a US$499 device). Personally I think it's very unlikely, so the success of iPad 3 could mean a new era of high DPI display entering mainstream.

Well, it's the first time you could get such a device with that screen for $499.

But I think many people are just used to the 960 x 640 display of the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S and want that "sharpness" on their iPad as well.

It really does make a difference, not to mention the new panel has an 94% sRBG color gamut. Pictures look amazing on it.

[pcchen]

This reminds me of a funny little device my friend bought nearly 10 years ago
It's a Sony notebook, but it's very small. Its display is only 6.4", but @ 1024x768, that makes it ~ 200 dpi. Unfortunately, Windows XP does not support high DPI properly (nor is 1024x768 enough for anything like that). Of course, it's very expensive. IIRC he paid around NT$50k for that. I think that's more than US$1,500.

Speaking of color gamut, I recently found that my iPad 2's display is more close to sRGB than my iPhone 4 (my iPhone 4 is a little bit "yellowish"). Then I found that some (but not all) iPad 3 also has this "yellow-tint" problem. It's too bad that Apple doesn't support color management in iOS. Personally I think if Apple don't want to support color management in iOS for whatever reason, it's their duty to make sure all their devices look roughly the same under its device color profile. I mean, Apple used to be popular in desktop publishing market, this is something I expect them to do well.

Anyway, I'm still eager to buy an iPad 3, but I'll wait for its official release here. Maybe some little bugs will get fixed.

[Arwin]

I was just reading last week that the iPad 3's color representation was far better than the iPad 2 again (a far better color range also), and that photographers were very enthusiastic about its RGB fidelity. Wasn't there something about this in the Anandtech review?

EDIT:

As we mentioned in our Retina Display analysis, Apple delivered on its claims of a 44% increase in color gamut. The new iPad offers nearly full coverage of the sRGB color space and over 60% of the Adobe RGB gamut:

Color accuracy is also much better as you can see in the graphs here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5688/a...-2012-review/4

[pcchen]

Originally Posted by Arwin

I was just reading last week that the iPad 3's color representation was far better than the iPad 2 again (a far better color range also), and that photographers were very enthusiastic about its RGB fidelity. Wasn't there something about this in the Anandtech review?

Yes. Apparently some iPad 3's yellow tint problem is manufacturing related (some claim it fades after a while). If Apple replaces any of these yellow ones without question then I'm completely ok with that. But remind me to bring my iPad 2 when buying my iPad 3

[RobertR1]

Originally Posted by pcchen

This reminds me of a funny little device my friend bought nearly 10 years ago
It's a Sony notebook, but it's very small. Its display is only 6.4", but @ 1024x768, that makes it ~ 200 dpi. Unfortunately, Windows XP does not support high DPI properly (nor is 1024x768 enough for anything like that). Of course, it's very expensive. IIRC he paid around NT$50k for that. I think that's more than US$1,500.

Speaking of color gamut, I recently found that my iPad 2's display is more close to sRGB than my iPhone 4 (my iPhone 4 is a little bit "yellowish"). Then I found that some (but not all) iPad 3 also has this "yellow-tint" problem. It's too bad that Apple doesn't support color management in iOS. Personally I think if Apple don't want to support color management in iOS for whatever reason, it's their duty to make sure all their devices look roughly the same under its device color profile. I mean, Apple used to be popular in desktop publishing market, this is something I expect them to do well.

Anyway, I'm still eager to buy an iPad 3, but I'll wait for its official release here. Maybe some little bugs will get fixed.

While some might actually have a yellow tint problem, a lot are simply not used to seeing warmer/calibrated displays and thus are complaining. You have to be careful in assessing the problem.

As someone who likes properly calibrated displays, I'm very happy to see Apple do such a good job with image quality out of the box.

Now of if we could g the rest of the CE industry (esp TV's) to start marketing displays with proper calibration vs vivid/dynamic/retard mode.

[Xmas]

Originally Posted by zed

1. try the THX website (or google it)
2. hmmm you dont understand, ok up to now & previously since DPI is typically ~95 to get better resolutions you had to buy a larger monitor. Now Im asking say DPI is infinite i.e. remove it from the equation, what is the ideal monitor size?

THX guidelines are meant for an "immersive cinematic experience", not for programming. Even with infinite dpi you can only fit so much readable information in a certain area. I much prefer moving my eyes to having to scroll.

[Arwin]

Originally Posted by Pressure

It can charge from the mains, the chargers output is 5.1V 2.1A. What they could have done were increasing the ampere but then it wouldn't be able to charge via a high power USB port.

Are you going to be using it for more than 9 hours a day that it can provide before running out of juice?

Just buy it and don't look back. I'm using mine as I used my iPad and iPad 2. Use it in the day, charge over-night.

I pulled the trigger yesterday after borrowing the test iPad 2 from work for an evening. Man, the display is outright spectacular! It is really amazing. We were watching some of our photos together on it yesterday and they looked the best they have ever done, on print or display. The quality is just shocking ... Looking at some photos with trees on them, individual leaves really stand out for staying visible so clearly. Text is razor sharp. Sketchbook Pro, which is pretty amazing, gives very convincing drawings. It's really lovely. And yeah, the battery holds up very well. After 6 hours of use I was at 50% and it managed to charge fine while in use. What helps is that the screen really has no business being at more than 50% brightness. Really amazing device and screen.

[Pressure]

Originally Posted by Arwin

I pulled the trigger yesterday after borrowing the test iPad 2 from work for an evening. Man, the display is outright spectacular! It is really amazing. We were watching some of our photos together on it yesterday and they looked the best they have ever done, on print or display. The quality is just shocking ... Looking at some photos with trees on them, individual leaves really stand out for staying visible so clearly. Text is razor sharp. Sketchbook Pro, which is pretty amazing, gives very convincing drawings. It's really lovely. And yeah, the battery holds up very well. After 6 hours of use I was at 50% and it managed to charge fine while in use. What helps is that the screen really has no business being at more than 50% brightness. Really amazing device and screen.

Glad you finally jumped the fence! And yeah, that screen ... funny how everyone uses words as amazing and spectacular but there really is no other way to describe it. It's marvelous heh.

It really helps that it has nearly 95% sRGB color gamut too, especially for photos and to check color corrected pictures for web use.

You should really try out Paper by ex-Microsoft people (video here).

[Arwin]

It really is!

I tried Paper, and it looks great, though not quite sure it will be useful for anything for me. I do love the undo 'dial' - that should become a standard, works fantastic, and the overal look is also pretty amazing. Would also make for some stunning children's book opportunities ... I could even imagine something like a design your own pop-out book app in this style.

I just for the heck of it tried to hook up my Logitech DiNovo Edge that I've had lying around mostly to control my PS3, and that works just fine! Now suddenly this thing is almost a complete mobile laptop. Sure, the keboard is almost twice the surface of the iPad, but when I do want to use something more than just the screen for typing I'm happy to have the real deal right there. Funny how stuff like selecting text and such also works great. It just takes a little mental adjustment to touch your screen instead of reaching for your mouse.