[loekf]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Since when does the definition of first include a > 6 week lead?

Fuad also claims GT300 taped out and he's referring to a 6 weeks fab time.

My goodness... does he have any clue ?

Usually a development lot takes 6-7 weeks to get through a fab if you pay lots of money. Production lots are more in the order of 12 weeks.

Allow for packaging 2-3 weeks.

If the green team just did their first tapeout, validation, qualification and testing takes time.

[trinibwoy]

I don't think Fuad is referring to the tape-out there. He's probably referring to the first lot back from the fab. According to Charlie tape out was a few weeks ago. And because it's Charlie that's probably the worst case scenario

[neliz]

Paper launch in November. Retail availability Q1'10.

If you found the Cypress performance underwhelming, prepare for another card that won't make you sell your GTX295.

[digitalwanderer]

Are you ready?

[Arty]

Originally Posted by neliz

Paper launch in November. Retail availability Q1'10.

If you found the Cypress performance underwhelming, prepare for another card that won't make you sell your GTX295.

Wowsies, that scenario makes it sound terrible. When was the last time a product was paper launched two months ahead of availability?

As for performance if it is slower than the GTX295 then that would put it about 20% faster than Cypress as a best case scenario.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Arty

Wowsies, that scenario makes it sound terrible. When was the last time a product was paper launched two months ahead of availability?

Was the FX paper launched that early even?

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Arty

As for performance if it is slower than the GTX295 then that would put it about 20% faster than Cypress as a best case scenario.

20% sounds about right.

[Domell]

According to some latest rumours GT300 performance is about 10-20% better than 2XGT200.

http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

So 384-bit in GT300 and 3 times faster SP (~3 Tflops?) than GT200 ones? Sounds good for me because i think it is pretty enough 384-bit with GDDR5.

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Domell

According to some latest rumours GT300 performance is about 10-20% better than 2XGT200.

Did you quote this too?

Some scores seem to refer to the general-purpose computing performance rather than gaming performance

[Domell]

That`s right but there is something about "several times better performance than opponents" so there is very possible that it could give at least 2X better gaming performance than GT200.

[neliz]

Originally Posted by Domell

That`s right but there is something about "several times better performance than opponents" so there is very possible that it could give at least 2X better gaming performance than GT200.

3x computing power versus GT200 and 384bit. So a 2 to 2.5TFlop card?

Given the suggested retail price of $499 for it versus Hemlock... hmmmmmm.

[MfA]

Difference between the 4890&GTX285 is almost 150$ ... as long as it's the fastest single card by a decent margin it will sell at that price. As for Hemlock, presumably it's still AFR.

[Kowan]

I have 5 285s F@H 24/7. As long as it's F@H performance is there, it will still have a market for it.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Are you ready?

" The competition between 4870 and GTX260+ starts to roll out again."

[Arty]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Was the FX paper launched that early even?

I think that was 1 month at max.

Originally Posted by neliz

20% sounds about right.

Best case or average?

Originally Posted by MfA

Difference between the 4890&GTX285 is almost 150$ ... as long as it's the fastest single card by a decent margin it will sell at that price. As for Hemlock, presumably it's still AFR.

Apparently people disappointed with Cypress' performance disagree. It does not even outperform the X2 products yada yada yada.

I was just refreshing my memory on the FX series when I read this on Anandtech.

ATI has not been sitting idle all this time, and progress on the R350 core has been coming along quite well. We proved early on that the 0.15-micron R300 core could reach speeds of up to 400MHz, and with the GeForce FX NVIDIA has established that shipping cards with 800MHz - 1GHz memory is feasible, if ATI can put together a R350 with specs close to what we're implying then even a driver-tweaked FX will not stand a chance. NVIDIA has told us that the GeForce FX will be in stores next month, and we'd expect R350 in about a month following that. It will be a close race, but what ATI has going for them right now is a much more mature driver set than NVIDIA for their flagship GPU. The 3+ month advantage ATI had in bringing the R300 into production and to market gave ATI a much bigger advantage than just being the king of the hill for a while, it gave them quite a bit of time to fine-tune and optimize their drivers for this very occasion; this is a luxury that ATI has not had previously but they have made excellent use of it today.

[rpg.314]

Yup, If GT300 is a rushed launch, then nv will have to fight with immature drivers on it's side. And better drivers do make an impact.

[Arty]

Yeah this is kind of reminiscent of that time. I dont remember when was the last time ATI launched first and that got a nice headstart of couple of months to boot. Not saying G300 is a lackluster like NV30 yet, would be foolish to do so, so early but coming second and few months late is like climbing a new (old) mountain again. ATI could very well do price cuts, optimize drivers, introduce refreshes just like 5800/9700.

I'm just trying to think from Nv's perspective, what could they do:
1. Launch earlier (how?)
2. SIGNIFICANT (>50%) gaming perf increase over Cypress
3. GPGPU perf increase (?)
4. X2 product at launch (how?)
5. Something else? (what?)

[Ailuros]

Where's that popcorn smilie when you need it hm?

Arty,

Not that I know anything but on a pure layman's speculative basis:

1. Launch earlier (how?)

Assume they recognized early enough that the high end part is going to delay their first X11 introduction even more, let's say that they might have had enough time to pull forwards a slightly castrated part. That would be of course if all the above is for real and we're talking about a 384bit only buswidth (and not a bunch of disabled units).

2. SIGNIFICANT (>50%) gaming perf increase over Cypress

You have reached a blank page in my mind here.

3. GPGPU perf increase (?)

Doesn't sound impossible; if I combine the hypothetical dynamic warp idea in my mind with the possibility of SPs being also capable of DP it could work.

4. X2 product at launch (how?)

Assuming (1) is true sounds doable.

5. Something else? (what?)

A large pile of useless marketing yadda yadda which are typical for each new product's launch

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Arty

1. Launch earlier (how?)

If there were anyway they could, I'm pretty sure they would. I don't think they're exactly holding back their launch right now for strategic purposes.

2. SIGNIFICANT (>50%) gaming perf increase over Cypress

That seems a tall order, but it would definitely give them some bragging rights.

3. GPGPU perf increase (?)

But for what use?

4. X2 product at launch (how?)

I'm pretty sure ATi could respond with an X2 of their own.

5. Something else? (what?)

No clue, but I'm betting they'll find something else surprising somehow.

What I fear is a paper launch of a card that looks to have >50% performance increase over 5870 where they claim to have working hardware that a very few handful have reportedly seen but can't discuss, in other words a FUD campaign from hell.

But I can't see them outright lying about insanely good performance and then not delivering, I think they'd see their own fanbase turn against them so who knows.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Where's that popcorn smilie when you need it hm?

I always keep an extry one handy, here:

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

But for what use?

To battle something they'd prefer to have been cancelled

[XMAN26]

Originally Posted by neliz

Paper launch in November. Retail availability Q1'10.

If you found the Cypress performance underwhelming, prepare for another card that won't make you sell your GTX295.

More crystal ball doom forcasts? You must be Charlie's insider.

[Ailuros]

I'm an outsider. What do I win?

[XMAN26]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I'm an outsider. What do I win?

nelizs' crystal ball

[seahawk]

Originally Posted by neliz

20% sounds about right.

With current drivers.