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AlStrong · 13-Jul-2008, 02:52

Yep.

DaJuice · 13-Jul-2008, 04:40

The problem with Siren isn't the resolution, that looks good enough with the 4xAA. It's the ridiculously agressive mip-mapping. The textures aren't all that detailed to begin with, but they switch to lower res mipmaps only a short distance ahead of the player. It really hurts the look of the game, which is great otherwise.

AlStrong · 13-Jul-2008, 05:53

Sounds like they are only using bilinear filtering. Odd considering it's just a PSN title. I thought the game ha a relatively short-draw distance too being a horror game and all. Does the game have any sign of frame rate dropping? Perhaps they were playing it a little too safe to maintain a high framerate (does it?)

thambos · 13-Jul-2008, 10:43

it's hard to tell since the game is so dark. it didn't look that bad to me, but I was mostly irritated by the "ooo oooooo a a a aa aaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaaa" background music/ambiance/whatever that was supposed to be scary i guess; but it just sounded like a zombie making the THX intro sound effect drawn out over a minute repeating.

lbartley · 13-Jul-2008, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlStrong

Odd considering it's just a PSN title.

Actually, it's a retail title in Japan, it's just being chopped up and fed to us in pieces outside of Japan.

DaJuice · 13-Jul-2008, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlStrong

Does the game have any sign of frame rate dropping? Perhaps they were playing it a little too safe to maintain a high framerate (does it?)

Framerate is very solid for the most part, just one little area that I remember where the engine gets overwhelmed and stutters a bit. I would gladly give up a little performance if they would just fix the mip-mapping issue.

user542745831 · 13-Jul-2008, 19:06

hello,

another question about the orange box and xbox 360.

somewhere i read, if you play the orange box on the xbox 360 with a vga or hdmi/dvi cable on a 17" tft computer display with 5:4 AR and 1280 x 1024 native resolution ie (1024 x 768 4:3 would be the same i think) you get fullscreen instead of letterboxed display when the xbox 360 is set to 1280 x 1024 in the dashboard.

is this true?

which resolution is the game rendering in in this case?

is this a common thing on xbox 360 games?

and another question regarding this displaying topic. when playing a game which is usually rendering in in real 1280 x 720p 16:9 and doesn't do this fullscreen thing mentioned above and you are using the hardware and settings mentioned above, does the xbox 360 scale anything or does it just add some black bars which are 152 pixels in height at the top and bottom of the picture to get a letterboxed image and display the 1280 x 720p image pixel by pixel (1:1) within this 1280 x 1024 resolution of the monitor?

hero17 · 14-Jul-2008, 14:44

Now that the Too Human demo is up, any final word on what resolution/AA it is running?

zarbaj · 14-Jul-2008, 16:12

yeah, I'm interested in Too Human's AA.

here's hoping for 4xaa as promised.

Mintmaster · 14-Jul-2008, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarbaj

yeah, I'm interested in Too Human's AA.

here's hoping for 4xaa as promised.

I thought Too Human is UE3, and hence has no AA. Aren't there some screenshots out there?

AlphaWolf · 14-Jul-2008, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintmaster

I thought Too Human is UE3, and hence has no AA. Aren't there some screenshots out there?

I don't think its UE3 anymore.

AlStrong · 14-Jul-2008, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintmaster

I thought Too Human is UE3,

Didn't you hear about the Silicon Knights lawsuit against Epic regarding UE3?

They're using their own engine now although it was never clear if they actually kept a significant portion of UE3.0.

Quote:

Aren't there some screenshots out there?

There are... some have AA, some don't...some have inconsistent black outlines on characters.

DrJay24 · 14-Jul-2008, 22:43

It looks like 720P no AA from the demo.

Dopefish · 15-Jul-2008, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardknock

Has anyone checked Dead Rising's resolution and AA? I think there's a demo on XBL Marketplace.

http://imk.cx/screenshots/xbox360/Dead%20Rising/

(As a quick note, I am moving hosting and domains around in the following days and the screenshots may be offline for a few days. They will be back, though.)

Dopefish · 15-Jul-2008, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rylan

Oblivion (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA) on 360

Is the GOTY Edition 1280x720 (2xAA)?

If one is a higher resolution than the other, it may have been in a patch.

The screenshot on my site in the oblivion directory was taken with the original release of the game. However, the two shots that reside in the 43vs169 directory are taken from the GoTY edition. I had not patched the game at all, so that may be why it is still running in 1024x600. I'll have to apply the patches and test again.

MJP · 15-Jul-2008, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay24

It looks like 720P no AA from the demo.

Yes that's what it looks like to me as well.

bagofsuck · 16-Jul-2008, 10:00

Are these KZ2 screenshots bullshots?

http://i34.tinypic.com/r057js.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q1v4hd.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/4j23ow.jpg

Pugger · 16-Jul-2008, 10:04

They don't appear to be although they are at a funny resolution. Saying that they're not that impressive anyway.

macabre · 16-Jul-2008, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagofsuck

Are these KZ2 screenshots bullshots?

http://i34.tinypic.com/r057js.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q1v4hd.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/4j23ow.jpg

I guess resized framegrabs from the 1080p trailer.

grandmaster · 16-Jul-2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopefish

If one is a higher resolution than the other, it may have been in a patch.

The screenshot on my site in the oblivion directory was taken with the original release of the game. However, the two shots that reside in the 43vs169 directory are taken from the GoTY edition. I had not patched the game at all, so that may be why it is still running in 1024x600. I'll have to apply the patches and test again.

The pics on the previous page are from the same area of the game in the initial release and on the GOTY edition. Both have had the updates from Microsoft. Both are still 600p.

I think the case is closed on the apparent leap to full 720p... it never happened!

bagofsuck · 16-Jul-2008, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by macabre

I guess resized framegrabs from the 1080p trailer.

But KZ2 is not native 1080p, and these screens seem to be 16xAA level something that ps3 can't do.

djskribbles · 16-Jul-2008, 12:26

aliasing is there. i'm thinking they are in-game shots. killzone hides aliasing well with the QAA and DOF etc... it really is a pretty clean looking game, but i do see some aliasing, so they're probably not bullshots.

Quaz51 · 16-Jul-2008, 12:53

it's not bullshot, it's realtime upscaled 1080p video

Betanumerical · 16-Jul-2008, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaz51

it's not bullshot, it's realtime upscaled 1080p video

So its a 1280x720 shot upscaled to 1080P for the video then downscaled again for those images?.

Neb · 16-Jul-2008, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagofsuck

But KZ2 is not native 1080p, and these screens seem to be 16xAA level something that ps3 can't do.

The video capture bluriness together with the motionblur in those screenshots helps a lot to hide jaggies/smooth them out.

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13-Jul-2008, 04:40	#477
DaJuice Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 54	The problem with Siren isn't the resolution, that looks good enough with the 4xAA. It's the ridiculously agressive mip-mapping. The textures aren't all that detailed to begin with, but they switch to lower res mipmaps only a short distance ahead of the player. It really hurts the look of the game, which is great otherwise.

13-Jul-2008, 10:43	#479
thambos Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 194	it's hard to tell since the game is so dark. it didn't look that bad to me, but I was mostly irritated by the "ooo oooooo a a a aa aaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaaa" background music/ambiance/whatever that was supposed to be scary i guess; but it just sounded like a zombie making the THX intro sound effect drawn out over a minute repeating.

13-Jul-2008, 19:06	#482
user542745831 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,090	hello, another question about the orange box and xbox 360. somewhere i read, if you play the orange box on the xbox 360 with a vga or hdmi/dvi cable on a 17" tft computer display with 5:4 AR and 1280 x 1024 native resolution ie (1024 x 768 4:3 would be the same i think) you get fullscreen instead of letterboxed display when the xbox 360 is set to 1280 x 1024 in the dashboard. is this true? which resolution is the game rendering in in this case? is this a common thing on xbox 360 games? and another question regarding this displaying topic. when playing a game which is usually rendering in in real 1280 x 720p 16:9 and doesn't do this fullscreen thing mentioned above and you are using the hardware and settings mentioned above, does the xbox 360 scale anything or does it just add some black bars which are 152 pixels in height at the top and bottom of the picture to get a letterboxed image and display the 1280 x 720p image pixel by pixel (1:1) within this 1280 x 1024 resolution of the monitor?

14-Jul-2008, 14:44	#483
hero17 Registered Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8	Now that the Too Human demo is up, any final word on what resolution/AA it is running?

14-Jul-2008, 16:12	#484
zarbaj Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 143	yeah, I'm interested in Too Human's AA. here's hoping for 4xaa as promised.

14-Jul-2008, 22:43	#488
DrJay24 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Internet Posts: 1,292	It looks like 720P no AA from the demo.

16-Jul-2008, 10:00	#492
bagofsuck Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 116	Are these KZ2 screenshots bullshots? http://i34.tinypic.com/r057js.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/2q1v4hd.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/4j23ow.jpg

16-Jul-2008, 10:04	#493
Pugger Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 347	They don't appear to be although they are at a funny resolution. Saying that they're not that impressive anyway.

16-Jul-2008, 12:26	#497
djskribbles Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,554	aliasing is there. i'm thinking they are in-game shots. killzone hides aliasing well with the QAA and DOF etc... it really is a pretty clean looking game, but i do see some aliasing, so they're probably not bullshots.

16-Jul-2008, 12:53	#498
Quaz51 Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: France Posts: 914	it's not bullshot, it's realtime upscaled 1080p video

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