[I.S.T.]

I'm going to be building a PC sometime in the next 3-4 months, and it's been a long time since I've kept track of stuff other than graphics cards and CPUs. I've got a budget of about 500-700, and I've already decided on the CPU and motherboard.

Little bit pricey for the amount of money I have to spend, but I want to build something semi-current. This way, if something has to be replaced, I won't have to hunt around for it. I believe those two components will go down in price a little bit in the time between now and when I get a hold of the cash, so I'm not too worried.

I'm going to be getting a graphics card(I've had too many bad experiences with intergrated graphics...) and two gigs of ram. The rest of the system is up in the air. Can anybody give me suggestions as to what to purchase?

Edit: Dammit, I didn't notice the purchase decisions help forum... Sorry. Could somebody move this?

[Davros]

what are you going to using the system for ?

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by Davros

what are you going to using the system for ?

Basically, a little of everything. A little PC gaming(Mostly stuff from 2003 and earlier), some movie playback(DVDs, xivd, stuff like that), emulation. I'm going to put Vista Premium on it as well.

[ShaidarHaran]

Do yourself a favor and skip the horror that is Fister, I mean, Vista. Why do you need it anyway? It's not like your 5+ year-old games will run any better, and very likely they won't run at all. Everything else you're planning to do will run fine on an XP system as well. Realistically, you're talking about building a $500 system.

[Mize]

There are those who vehemently disagree with me on this (but I'm now on his ignore list so he won't see this) but I agree with Shaidar completely. XPP is a better option, especially for "mid range" hardware.

[I.S.T.]

I would, but I plan on using this PC for the next four or so years. Plus, a lot of the applications(Emulators and stuff) I use tend to be based off of the semi-current DX version. Once vista gets enough usage, they'll start using DX10, and I'll be screwed.

[ShaidarHaran]

First off, I highly doubt there's an emulator out there that is currently using DX10, or one that will be coming out that will only run under DX10. DX9C is still going to be "the standard" for some time.

How would you be screwed if you go with XP now? If you find a compelling reason to go with Vista, do it then. You can dual-boot that way. There is no reason to do so now.

[Mize]

I think you're going to be hard pressed to build a $500 system that will run Vista with all the bells and whistles at a good clip. I just configured a laptop for a service guy I hired. It's a lenova with 2 gigs of RAM and a Core2Duo 1.5 GHz (low power model) and it - to me at least - crawls. He's fine with it though, which is good. I get impatient with slow computers - been spoiled by running Linux as my primary client OS for a while now I guess. I set up an iMac (xmas gift for my kids) and it flew compared to that Vista box and OS X is a known pig. (but the iMac with tri-boot )

[Mize]

If you're dropping back to dual-core Pentium, why not consider a x2 AMD chip?
Actually I have a x2 4400+/DFI combo collecting dust (as well as an X1800XT GPU and 2 gigs of memory)...I was going to build the kid's rig with it and forgot I had it. Not a sales pitch, but PM if you're interested.

[Davros]

suggestion: a huge hdd some games are taking up 8+ gig of space
and if you want to play dx10 games the need a fast gfx card 8800 series or ati equiv anything less isnt really up to the job

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by Mize

If you're dropping back to dual-core Pentium, why not consider a x2 AMD chip?
Actually I have a x2 4400+/DFI combo collecting dust (as well as an X1800XT GPU and 2 gigs of memory)...I was going to build the kid's rig with it and forgot I had it. Not a sales pitch, but PM if you're interested.

Well, I plan on OCing the **** of it(Looked up some reviews, the damn thing is an OCers dream.).

The system I'm currently runs ME, so pretty much anything will be a huge increase. The last one(Which died otherwise I would be using it right now.) was a Northwood Celeron with only 256 megs of ram... *Shudder.* Both were/are prebuilts.

If you still got those parts when I got the money, I'll PM ya.

First off, I highly doubt there's an emulator out there that is currently using DX10, or one that will be coming out that will only run under DX10. DX9C is still going to be "the standard" for some time.

I'm thinking of three years from now. By then, DX10 will be standard, and I have no idea what my financial situation will be, so I dunno if I'll be able to afford a copy of Vista then. I know I'll be able to when I get the money for the PC.

[pc0day]

I fact I think with your budget you can also consider getting a built one, you can go to dell they offer some good priced desktops, and right now pcs are not expensive a recent deal on the Lenovo 3000 Intel Pentium D 925(3.0GHz, Dual Core), 1GB, 250GB is for $400. Anyway hope this helps.

[RancidLunchmeat]

As cheap as Dell computers are these days, I don't think you can get one from Dell that is going to be cheaper than one you could put together yourself.

[NovemberMike]

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Comes out nicely to $618, but that is without a keyboard, mouse or monitor. This should be able to play anything up to and including Crysis at reasonable settings, however.

[I.S.T.]

Thanks for the suggestions. I have many of those components on my list as well(Got a slightly different model CD burner and the OEM 320 gig WD.). I'm staying with nVidia due to some of the driver problems AMD's been having and (More importantly) a fondness for Rivatuner. I looked around and couldn't find an AMD tool that has the kind of customization that Rivatuner has, even Tray Tools(Unless the info I found on it is incorrect.).

All that might change though. Won't have the money for the PC until March. I'm keeping a close eye on things until then. Maybe I'll get lucky and Intel will release a Wolfdale based Dual-Core Pentium.

This is the system: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/...Number=9606247

I plan on buying the PSU from another site that has it 15 bucks cheaper(Yet is still reputable), along with a few other little things on this list that are cheaper/same price.

I'm not getting a case because I already have a decent one available.

[NovemberMike]

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Rivatuner

Pretty sure ATI stuff works with Rivatuner.

[Skrying]

I'd HIGHLY recommend going up to the HD 3850 on your graphics card. The 8600 is simply NOT ENOUGH for any modern system in graphical power. For only like $30 more you're talking SO much more graphics power its not funny.

[NovemberMike]

I would personally recommend 2 gigs of ram over 4 right now. That should be more than enough for something that should last 3-4 years, and any further than that and you can probably add in 8 gig sticks for cheap.

Also, I would recommend going with the mobo I recommended. Its only about $25 more expensive than the one you have, and it has twice the memory slots, twice the maximum memory capacity and is a proven overclocker. I just feel that the one you have right now is only suitable for current needs and will soon become outdated.

If you replaced the motherboard and stuck to two gigs of ram, I feel that this could make for a nice, cheap upgrade in 1-2 years time to a 45nm quad+ core and 8gigs of ram, which would give you some more time with a truly high end machine.

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by NovemberMike

I would personally recommend 2 gigs of ram over 4 right now. That should be more than enough for something that should last 3-4 years, and any further than that and you can probably add in 8 gig sticks for cheap.

Also, I would recommend going with the mobo I recommended. Its only about $25 more expensive than the one you have, and it has twice the memory slots, twice the maximum memory capacity and is a proven overclocker. I just feel that the one you have right now is only suitable for current needs and will soon become outdated.

If you replaced the motherboard and stuck to two gigs of ram, I feel that this could make for a nice, cheap upgrade in 1-2 years time to a 45nm quad+ core and 8gigs of ram, which would give you some more time with a truly high end machine.

I'm not gonna have that money a year or two from now, sadly. This is kind of a one time deal... Normally we wouldn't spend over 450 bucks(And that's seriously pushing it) on a PC. As for the motherboard, I've looked it up(Found it in a review, actually, otherwise i'd be using a different model), and it is a good OC. It also supports the 45 nm processors according to Gigabyte's website.

My monitor is limited to 1024 X 768 in res without going below 75hz(I can do 1280 X 1024 if I go 60 hz... no fucking way am I doing that!), so I'll be playing on low reses. I'm also not too much of a PC gamer, so no Crysis or anything like that. The video card is mainly for Dreamcast emulation... :whateverthehelltheembarrasementsmileis: I might try out stuff like COD4 at 640X480 or things like that. I'm all for lowering the res to keep the details high if i have to.

Also, while Rivatuner does support many recent AMD/ATi cards, it doesn't support the driver tuning options. At least, the last version I tried(2.0 final release). I'm also concerned about the rate at which AMD drivers are declining... Though, if things improve over the next few months I will take another good, hard look at them in general.

Overall, while I believe I'll be keeping most of the choices I've made, the final decisions won't be until I have the cash in hand, so to speak. The price I have for everything right now is almost 700 bucks including shipping, and I highly doubt I'll be able to get that past my parents(It's a family PC and not my money. >.>). I'm already pushing it, and I will most likely have to reduce the specs on the machine to get them to OK the purchase.

It's not a matter of them being cheap. The money we're getting is needed for a lot of things, the PC being just one of them.


Edit: One thing I forgot to mention. By the time I get the cash(Mid March at the soonest, some time in April at the latest), a lot of the high end/middle end stuff out now will have been replaced by new models... I am planning on taking advantage of that. If I can get better components for the same or slightly higher price, I will be doing so.

[NovemberMike]

I would personally do it differently, but I can see the logic in what you are doing. Its your money, anyway.

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by NovemberMike

I would personally do it differently, but I can see the logic in what you are doing. Its your money, anyway.

I'd love to do it different, but I'm working with what I got, and what my parents(Who are providing the cash for this. I'd pay for it myself if I could work, but my body is all fucked up. )will accept.

Been thinking about a Motherboard replacement though... If DDR3 wasn't so frigging expensive I'd pick a board with that due to it probably being easier to find than DDR2(In the right price range, at least) a few years from now if something goes wrong and I got to replace a stick or two.

Also the reason why I'm deadset on two sticks of ram. This way, if one goes bad I can still use the other.

Edit: annnnnnd I just got good news. Parents have authorized me to make upgrades to the system to ensure it will last, and to make it better overall. I'm looking over PSUs right now.

[Sxotty]

I don't know why everyone hates Vista. It seems perfectly fine on my machine with a 6700, x800, and 2GB ram. No real difference in speed.

Of course I would not put it on my old laptop or anything. And if XP was cheaper I would just as soon run it. I don't know why anyone is all into upgrading to leopard, or whatever new cat is the name for the new apple os, or Vista. XP seems fine to me, and Vista didn't do much for me. Only experience with macs I have had lately has been less than encouraging to me. I don't really see the point anymore. Of course with bootcamp I don't see any reason to worry about one either.

[Skrying]

IST, why do you care about the driver tuning options? Seriously, there seems little point to bother with those unless you have a true reason (so very few do). The HD 3850 is going to last you much much longer than the 8600 GTS. To the system it would extend the life greatly in terms of being usable in games a couple years from now.

[I.S.T.]

Originally Posted by Skrying

IST, why do you care about the driver tuning options? Seriously, there seems little point to bother with those unless you have a true reason (so very few do). The HD 3850 is going to last you much much longer than the 8600 GTS. To the system it would extend the life greatly in terms of being usable in games a couple years from now.

I like tweaking PCs, and I'm probably going to replace the 8600 GTS now.

Also, I REALLY like tweaking PCs. >.> I'd do it all day if I could.