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barnak · 16-Sep-2005, 20:45

I know that as gamers we got more than we should of this TGS with , Mgs4, Warhawk, assassin , Gt invision for Ps3 and Kameo, Gears of wars and etc for 360, but was anyone expecting Silent hill? I was really hyped up thinking it would be here. Hmm maybe at next e3 or something...

Sorry for the typos

Mefisutoferesu · 16-Sep-2005, 20:50

What? What? What?

I haven't seen anything for Warhawk.

What's assassin?

God of War is coming to the 360?? Surely you mean GEARS of war?

Well, if it makes you feel any better I was hoping to see some SE coverage. A little more FFXII, KH2, DoC, and so on... almost nothing. Maybe there's still time for Silent hill stuff, but buck up. Prolly only a month or two more.

barnak · 16-Sep-2005, 20:53

Assassin

warhawk trailer isnt out to public yet but screens are out from the trailer

barnak · 16-Sep-2005, 20:57

Also a new screenshot of Lair is shown.

Mefisutoferesu · 16-Sep-2005, 21:09

OH! Thank you, Barnak

barnak · 16-Sep-2005, 21:21

heh np. Nothing on these being real time or prerendered yet. But one things for sure they look amazing

oi · 16-Sep-2005, 21:35

Lair is by Factor 5, not Level 5.

edit: Aww, too slow!

DerrtyENT · 16-Sep-2005, 21:50

I'm pretty sure the Lair screen is real time. The vid they had at the Sony Conference was real time so I don't see why this wouldn't be.

Bad_Boy · 16-Sep-2005, 23:41

that chainmail in Assassin looks pretty impressive.

PeterT · 16-Sep-2005, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

that chainmail in Assassin looks pretty impressive.

My thoughts exactly, especially since game chainmail sucked in every incarnation I've seen up to now. Now it would be very interesting to see how they animate it.

And lair rocks, but I knew that since the first trailer

. A game being based on dragons is reason enough for me to get it anyway.

Laa-Yosh · 17-Sep-2005, 01:02

That chainmail is not realtime, I'm sure. The only relatively easy way to do it as far as I know would be through a combination of displacement mapping and alpha masking, which would require some sort of a higher order surface tesselated to tiny tiny polygons. This way you could use a tileable displacement map generated from a few dozen chain links.
The actual HOS object could then be 'wrapped' to a simulated cloth mesh, that would with the proper parameters minimize the stretching of the links well enough to sell it as rigid pieces of metal knit together.

The alternative is to actually work with the tens of thousands of individual chains. now a tubular shape is going to take at least 16 rings of at least 6 segments of quad polygons; that's 16*6*2 = 192 triangles per link. And how would you animate them, keeping them together?

So it's definitely not realtime, not with this gen....

16-Sep-2005, 20:45	#1
barnak Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 120	Anyone dissappointed by the lack of Silent hill? I know that as gamers we got more than we should of this TGS with , Mgs4, Warhawk, assassin , Gt invision for Ps3 and Kameo, Gears of wars and etc for 360, but was anyone expecting Silent hill? I was really hyped up thinking it would be here. Hmm maybe at next e3 or something... Sorry for the typos Last edited by barnak; 16-Sep-2005 at 20:51.

16-Sep-2005, 20:50	#2
Mefisutoferesu Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 717	What? What? What? I haven't seen anything for Warhawk. What's assassin? God of War is coming to the 360?? Surely you mean GEARS of war? Well, if it makes you feel any better I was hoping to see some SE coverage. A little more FFXII, KH2, DoC, and so on... almost nothing. Maybe there's still time for Silent hill stuff, but buck up. Prolly only a month or two more. Last edited by Mefisutoferesu; 16-Sep-2005 at 21:11.

16-Sep-2005, 23:41	#9
Bad_Boy god of war. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC. Posts: 3,347	that chainmail in Assassin looks pretty impressive. __________________ -BB\|

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16-Sep-2005, 20:53	#3
barnak Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 120	Assassin warhawk trailer isnt out to public yet but screens are out from the trailer

16-Sep-2005, 20:57	#4
barnak Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 120	Also a new screenshot of Lair is shown.

16-Sep-2005, 21:09	#5
Mefisutoferesu Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 717	OH! Thank you, Barnak

16-Sep-2005, 21:21	#6
barnak Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 120	heh np. Nothing on these being real time or prerendered yet. But one things for sure they look amazing

16-Sep-2005, 21:35	#7
oi Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 272	Lair is by Factor 5, not Level 5. edit: Aww, too slow!

16-Sep-2005, 21:50	#8
DerrtyENT Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 14	I'm pretty sure the Lair screen is real time. The vid they had at the Sony Conference was real time so I don't see why this wouldn't be.

17-Sep-2005, 01:02	#11
Laa-Yosh member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,509	That chainmail is not realtime, I'm sure. The only relatively easy way to do it as far as I know would be through a combination of displacement mapping and alpha masking, which would require some sort of a higher order surface tesselated to tiny tiny polygons. This way you could use a tileable displacement map generated from a few dozen chain links. The actual HOS object could then be 'wrapped' to a simulated cloth mesh, that would with the proper parameters minimize the stretching of the links well enough to sell it as rigid pieces of metal knit together. The alternative is to actually work with the tens of thousands of individual chains. now a tubular shape is going to take at least 16 rings of at least 6 segments of quad polygons; that's 1662 = 192 triangles per link. And how would you animate them, keeping them together? So it's definitely not realtime, not with this gen....

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