[Dave Baumann]

The Revolution Graphics thread contained a story that, quote, "the comments were not accurate and out of context" and the story has since been removed. As the thread contained the story its been removed (basically because it was easier doing that than editing it).

[Megadrive1988]

hmmm, that was my thread.

I guess maybe it was noticed by ATI and they decided to ask Dave and you guys at Beyond3D to pull it down? I am fine with that. I don't want it to be true

[blakjedi]

welcome back dave.

[Li Mu Bai]

I had some good threads in that post!

[Megadrive1988]

Originally Posted by Li Mu Bai

I had some good threads in that post!

you mean some good posts in that thread

oh maybe you were being funny

[Li Mu Bai]

Originally Posted by Megadrive1988

you mean some good posts in that thread

oh maybe you were being funny

You are sharp Md, I was indeed joking. I'm glad that you hoped these rumors to be untrue. I'll try & detail Nintendo's Revolution & known technology partnerships & what they encompass when I have the time.

[Inane_Dork]

Out of context? Seems like an odd thing to say.

*cue Perry Mason theme*

[AlStrong]

The text is still at Rage3d. Someone should get on that right away...if it's important

ATi might want to close this thread at R3D too... http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33822402

[Farid]

Originally Posted by DaveBaumann

The Revolution Graphics thread contained a story that, quote, "the comments were not accurate and out of context" and the story has since been removed.

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

[one]

Originally Posted by Vysez

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

ATI bartered some R520 info for the removal of the thread with Dave? 8)
Well I guess it's not really like that but you get the idea for the power of ATI over Dave for his future work... OTOH, sites like Gamefront.de or Jeux-france are just extraterritorial

[hey69]

if that means no more free grafx card for him 8)

[Dave Baumann]

As my initial post says, simply if people would actually display a modicum of netiquette and not just rip entire stories into forum posts then they wouldn't be removed.

[MfA]

The comment was a PR disaster, if they can surpress it why wouldnt they? Not a nice thing to ask Dave to do, but big companies arent nice people.

[Urian]

But we can use this post for making speculations about ATI Hollywood GPU?

Please...

Or no?

[Guden Oden]

Originally Posted by MfA

The comment was a PR disaster, if they can surpress it why wouldnt they? Not a nice thing to ask Dave to do, but big companies arent nice people.

Do note that Dave isn't saying ATi made/coerced/bribed/etc him into removing the thread. He's saying he removed it for his own convenience.

Of course, he could be lying, and this is just a big conspiracy! *cue x-files theme music*

[Teasy]

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.

Not if this article is taking the comments from that ATI rep and twisting their meaning its not.

[AlStrong]

...As all of Guden's posts and account suddenly disappear, replaced by a mere thread by Dave.

[Farid]

Originally Posted by Guden Oden

Do note that Dave isn't saying ATi made/coerced/bribed/etc him into removing the thread. He's saying he removed it for his own convenience.

How would he know that what the Ati rep said was not accurate and out of context, otherwise?

Furthermore, it's certainly not the first inaccurate and taken out of the context info discussed on the board. Why delete only this particular one.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of PR damage control when it affects boards discussions.

By the way, anyone over Ati Public Relation that decided to remove this informal interview/article from a no name Nintendo fansite, should be fired.

It would have been a lot easier to deny that any comments were made about parts that were under non disclosure agreement. And everybody would have believe them, I mean how can an Ati rep at a small event like Digital Life can reveal any info (even tidbits like this) to someone he never met before? But since they choose to ask the article removal, they're implying that the info was indeed leaked... What a PR mess.

[Farid]

Originally Posted by Teasy

Not if this article is taking the comments from that ATI rep and twisting their meaning its not.

That's not illegal.
The fansite reporter said he paraphrased what he heard.
Perfectly legal, since the writer didn't sign any NDA.

The Ati rep is the only responsible, he's the one that talked about things he was expressly not allowed to.

Once again, Ati PR departement handled the situation, the worst way possible. They should have just denied to comment on the issue and said that no interviews, to no one, let alone to a fansite, were granted about the Revolution part they're designing. And everybody would had call BS on the fansite.

[Pozer]

Keep in mind few threads containing false information are deleted from these forums. Judging from the past it's always the true ones.

Still, it makes sense if the Hollywood GPU is going to be significantly cheaper it will be significantly less power ( a relative term).
If it's going to be somewhat less expensive it will be somewhat less powerful.
Of course release date could offset any imbalance.

[Teasy]

Vysez

The article doesn't have to be illegal for Dave to remove the thread. Obviously someone at ATI has told him that the story isn't true so he's done what he thinks is the right thing in removing it. You're probably right that it wasn't the best way to go about it though.

[ZoinKs!]

This "damage control" makes it seem more likely that there's some substance to the story.

But I don't get it. All the story says is that GC 2 graphic capabilities won't match Xbox360 or PS3. Didn't we already know (or at least suspect) that?

[Fox5]

Originally Posted by Vysez

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

Revolution is to GameCube what Atomiswave is to Dreamcast?

[Megadrive1988]

Originally Posted by Fox5

Revolution is to GameCube what Atomiswave is to Dreamcast?

Atomiswave is pretty much, more or less, the same as NAOMI from 1998/1999 - that is, a Dreamcast chipset with more memory. Atomiswave is not even as powerful as the older NAOMI2 or HIKARU boards.

Revolution should be around three times as powerful as Gamecube, worst case. making Revolution to Gamecube, what NAOMI2 is to NAOMI, If you want to make that kind of comparison (which might end up being valid once we know more about Revolution's chipset). but then again, NAOMI 2 has the same CPU has NAOMI, whereas Revolution is getting a new CPU.

[Fox5]

Originally Posted by Megadrive1988

Atomiswave is pretty much, more or less, the same as NAOMI from 1998/1999 - that is, a Dreamcast chipset with more memory. Atomiswave is not even as powerful as the older NAOMI2 or HIKARU boards.

Revolution should be around three times as powerful as Gamecube, worst case. making Revolution to Gamecube, what NAOMI2 is to NAOMI, If you want to make that kind of comparison (which might end up being valid once we know more about Revolution's chipset). but then again, NAOMI 2 has the same CPU has NAOMI, whereas Revolution is getting a new CPU.

I wonder what kind of cpu....honestly I don't think anything IBM has in its profile right now would fit what Nintendo wants. Nintendo could use one of the x360 cores, but I don't think ease of coding is good for what Nintendo wants...plus there's that gamecube backwards compatibility that almost guarantees Nintendo has to be using super up versions of Gamecube's hardware. Hopefully we'll see a custom design for Nintendo, something similar to Apple's G5s.(main difference is it'd have to support the extensions that were added to Gecko)