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Cornsnake 02-Jun-2011 12:57

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer (Post 1555565)
Also, who here is feeling trusting towards PSN? Are you thinking it's safe and are ready to buy, or have recent rumours of more hacking on the way deterred you? I'm certainly looking at using vouchers rather than card for a good while at least.

What make me less trusting of Sony is their almost complete silence these past few weeks. You'd think they would try their best to show customers they can put their trust in Sony. Like more details on how Sony plans to keep customer data safe, and how they'll respond if they ever get hacked again. But Sony can't even be bothered to crush any rumours that might end making them look bad, like when which services will return.

It almost seems like Sony believes this whole situation will go away if they just ignore it.

Shifty Geezer 02-Jun-2011 13:00

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Originally Posted by ShadowRunner (Post 1555559)
They said on the blog that it will come a bit later, they are doing some testing. Wonder how the servers will hold up when it does go live...

Slowly! No two ways about it, the internet pipes are going to be gummed up. Actually that might pose a major problem for buying any content for quite a while. Add in E3 coverage and, unless they've increased everything 10x beyond what they had previously, PSN'll be buckling.

Xenus 02-Jun-2011 13:07

Indeed I'm in no hurry to try to redeem my stuff when it goes live. It will be hammered.

Npl 02-Jun-2011 13:24

hmm, so how does this welcome back program work? dont see where I would get my free games.

Arwin 02-Jun-2011 13:42

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer (Post 1555565)
Oh good. The PS+ discount applies to Under Siege, so I am going to get fiscal reimbursement for what I spent trying to get it a month ago. That makes my personal compensation complete.

Also, who here is feeling trusting towards PSN? Are you thinking it's safe and are ready to buy, or have recent rumours of more hacking on the way deterred you? I'm certainly looking at using vouchers rather than card for a good while at least.

If I didn't trust PSN now, then I might as well stop using credit cards anywhere online altogether. My trust is yet to go down, as I have yet to see any evidence that credit card information was actually stolen. And I've just been on holiday using my credit card in various places abroad without any issues either, all the while getting prompt sms messages from my 50 cent/month subscription to getting notifications of successful transactions.

Nice to see that the very well reviewed Magic game is free on PSN. I've had some issues with timeouts appearing here and there but downloads themselves work fine, so the bottleneck does not seem to be bandwidth (I've downloaded about 4GB from the store as fast as I ever have, with the Infamous 2 demo at 2.5gb, Outland, and that Magic game) , but only the Store content interface and database that seems to be getting hammered. I get occasional errors and timeouts in there, but fortunately they seem to be such that actually getting to the content and putting it into my download queue works fine. It is also important to note by the way that over here we are having a bank holiday, so lots of people are home and when the store went live this morning everyone started downloading asap. :D

I haven't been able to properly access the store for songs from within Rockband 3 this morning, but I'll try again later to see if matters have improved there.

And yeah, the welcome back programme games are not up yet. I think that's probably a wise decision. Same for Modnation Racers, and a few other things. They're definitely planning to pace things out over the next weeks a little.

By the way if you have two Move controllers and don't have The Fight yet, there's a free demo up which allows you to pound a practice doll freely. That should certainly give you an indication of whether or not this is something for you. :)

ShadowRunner 02-Jun-2011 13:45

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer (Post 1555565)
Also, who here is feeling trusting towards PSN? Are you thinking it's safe and are ready to buy, or have recent rumours of more hacking on the way deterred you? I'm certainly looking at using vouchers rather than card for a good while at least.

To be honest im not worried at all, my credit card info will be encrypted regardless. Worse comes to worse i am covered against fraud by my bank anyhow. I dont really have it in me to be bothered much, the inconvenience of having to buy vouchers and redeem them outways my worries about someone getting my bank card details which is extremely unlikely. I am far more likely to have a keylogger or something hidden on my PC yet it doesnt stop me from buying online with it. We all know credit card fraud is rife yet we all own and use credit cards, even if the risk level of PSN has rised its still not near the risk of using my card in shops or online using my pc imo.

patsu 02-Jun-2011 14:24

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Originally Posted by Cornsnake (Post 1555569)
What make me less trusting of Sony is their almost complete silence these past few weeks. You'd think they would try their best to show customers they can put their trust in Sony. Like more details on how Sony plans to keep customer data safe, and how they'll respond if they ever get hacked again. But Sony can't even be bothered to crush any rumours that might end making them look bad, like when which services will return.

It almost seems like Sony believes this whole situation will go away if they just ignore it.

They have to answer to the Congress' inquiry and the Japanese government's challenge. We will hear more from them no doubt. Their PR folks are too afraid to make mistake because everything they say can be cast in negative light.

patsu 02-Jun-2011 14:31

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer (Post 1555565)
Oh good. The PS+ discount applies to Under Siege, so I am going to get fiscal reimbursement for what I spent trying to get it a month ago. That makes my personal compensation complete.

I got Under Siege, Wizardry and a KZ3 dynamic theme to celebrate. 8^P

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Also, who here is feeling trusting towards PSN? Are you thinking it's safe and are ready to buy, or have recent rumours of more hacking on the way deterred you? I'm certainly looking at using vouchers rather than card for a good while at least.
No difference for me. Should be able to reject fraudulent transactions. I'm kinda curious how identity theft and protection works. Someone used my identity for a medical expense about 6 years ago.

Edit: I'm thinking they might as well upsell the identity theft protection after one year.

Shifty Geezer 02-Jun-2011 15:24

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Originally Posted by Arwin (Post 1555580)
If I didn't trust PSN now, then I might as well stop using credit cards anywhere online altogether. My trust is yet to go down, as I have yet to see any evidence that credit card information was actually stolen.

I'm not worried about that content being stolen. I'm more worried about ongoing hacks. There was a very recent article prior to release saying hackers had got private info from Sony. If Sony are still being targeted, I'm not too happy about entering a card and that data being siphoned off, especially after hearing HTTPS has been compromised!

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It is also important to note by the way that over here we are having a bank holiday...
On a Thursday?! You continental types are so odd. :p

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Originally Posted by patsu (Post 1555592)
I got Under Siege...

Of course you are already plusified. It'd cost me £12 now or £7.20 if I wait to get the free + membership, so I'll hold on a little bit longer.

patsu 02-Jun-2011 16:20

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer (Post 1555605)
Of course you are already plusified. It'd cost me £12 now or £7.20 if I wait to get the free + membership, so I'll hold on a little bit longer.

Yes sir ! I have been waiting for its release. Truth to be told, given the content and innovation, I would have bought it too without PS+. But you are right, makes sense to wait for PS+ activation since it's free !

Shifty Geezer 02-Jun-2011 17:18

I think you're right about the value in itself. I just want back the few quid I wasted getting internet access! Also if this game plays amazingly with Move, I may need a Move controller, but I'm hoping DS will suffice. The devs have said they like the standard controls.

Npl 02-Jun-2011 19:08

well, reading the welcome back conditions it says that you need to have an PSN Account since 20th April... but it doesnt explicitly say that you had to be a PSN+ subscriber for that long for the 60 days extension.
Im thinking about buying + now and hope Ill get 60 days free :lol:

Mize 02-Jun-2011 19:17

The welcome back deal is for PSN+ only?

Npl 02-Jun-2011 19:25

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Originally Posted by Mize (Post 1555652)
The welcome back deal is for PSN+ only?

no, but if you have PSN+ you get additional 60 days for free, else you get only 30.

patsu 02-Jun-2011 19:25

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/...north-america/

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All PlayStation Network customers can select two PS3 games from the following list. The games will be available for 30 days shortly after PlayStation Store is restored and can be kept forever.
Dead Nation
inFAMOUS
LittleBigPlanet
Super Stardust HD
Wipeout HD + Fury

For PSP owners, you will be eligible to download two PSP games from the following list. The games will be available for 30 days shortly after PlayStation Store is restored and can be kept forever.
LittleBigPlanet (PSP)
ModNation Racers
Pursuit Force
Killzone Liberation

A selection of “On Us” rental movie titles will be available to PlayStation Network customers over one weekend, where Video Service is available. Those titles will be announced soon.

30 days free PlayStation Plus membership for non PlayStation Plus subscribers.

Existing PlayStation Plus subscribers will receive an additional 60 days of free subscription.

Existing Music Unlimited Premium Trial subscription members will receive an additional 30 days of free premium subscription.

Additional 30 days + time lost for existing members of Music Unlimited Premium/Basic subscription free of charge for existing Premium/Basic members.

To welcome users Home, PlayStation Home will be offering 100 free virtual items. Additional free content will be released soon, including the next addition to the Home Mansion personal space, and Ooblag’s Alien Casino, an exclusive game.

RobertR1 02-Jun-2011 19:27

This won't require us to put in our CC info for a 30day free PS+ membership, right?

patsu 02-Jun-2011 19:30

I have no idea. You can buy PS+ month by month, and the payment system usually only checks the wallet funds. I don't think there is a technical reason for requiring CC info. You can buy 3-month or one year worth and pre-pay the funds too.

goonergaz 02-Jun-2011 19:45

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Originally Posted by RobertR1 (Post 1555656)
This won't require us to put in our CC info for a 30day free PS+ membership, right?

no you don't and for PS+ it's now 70 days, not 60

patsu 02-Jun-2011 19:47

Huh ? Why 70 days ?

-tkf- 02-Jun-2011 19:51

Gave them everything again plus a years worth of PS+ subscription. And got the DLC for LA.N.

Do i feel safe? well my first CC was never really compromised (unless sony lies) and being in a developed country my bank gave me a new CC without any tears. I have this idea that every data is encrypted now :)

And something political, Sony is to blame for the security disaster, but not for the hack itself. And it´s not totally unlikely that Sony will be the target of another attack and knowing how computers and software works nothing is ever 100% safe. I wont give in to hackers and thief's rather risk (nothing really) it and enjoy whatever there is.

Npl 02-Jun-2011 19:56

I dint cancel my old CC, so since the data was already compromised, I have nothin to lose in case it gets compromised again :lol:

RobertR1 02-Jun-2011 20:32

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Originally Posted by goonergaz (Post 1555660)
no you don't and for PS+ it's now 70 days, not 60

I thought it was 30days of PS+ for users with no PS+?

Good news about not needing the CC.

patsu 02-Jun-2011 20:41

He meant 70 days for PS+ users instead of 60.

goonergaz 02-Jun-2011 21:40

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Originally Posted by patsu (Post 1555678)
He meant 70 days for PS+ users instead of 60.

yes, if you had PS+ you get an extra 10 days on top of the 60 for the time it was down

BRiT 02-Jun-2011 22:23

LulzSec versus Sony Pictures
 
Take this for what it's worth... I do not know if this is new or old or to be trusted, but it's something to read about.

http://pastebin.com/Y38gCS82 - LulzSec versus Sony Pictures
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"We recently broke into SonyPictures.com and compromised over 1,000,000 users' personal information, including passwords, email addresses, home addresses, dates of birth, and all Sony opt-in data associated with their accounts. Among other things, we also compromised all admin details of Sony Pictures (including passwords) along with 75,000 "music codes" and 3.5 million "music coupons".

Our goal here is not to come across as master hackers, hence what we're about to reveal: SonyPictures.com was owned by a very simple SQL injection, one of the most primitive and common vulnerabilities, as we should all know by now. From a single injection, we accessed EVERYTHING. Why do you put such faith in a company that allows itself to become open to these simple attacks?


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