So what are the chances of any of these hackers actually getting caught? Even if they can trace back the hackers IP addresses that doesn't necessarily prove they did the hacking.

It almost seems that the best thing Sony can hope for right now is that a new popular target for hackers shows up that'll divert their attention away from Sony.

While giving $6 to everyone is fairer across the board i think much more people would be unhappy with it than the current package. I would and i own 3/5 of the games.

Well I picked a number out of thin air just for the example, it would take some thought to come to an actual number that was suitable. I certainly don't think it needs to be like $50 though or something high like that. There's probably a good loss leader number that would get people to both spend it and add in some of their own money to get more stuff.

I thought it was pretty clear what I was referring to since the post of mine I quoted was clearly speculating as to what Sony management's goals were when devising their plan, but I suppose the followup post would have better read, "It seems after all of this discussion that they would be right to feel that way, too." In fact, I just changed it. Can I go drink for real now?

As for the second part, disregarding contributions from posters with "questionable objectivity", there's been posts from people who have or had PS3 as their "first choice" who have expressed dissatisfaction with Sony's offer. I'm not sure what reason you have for discounting those opinions.

just got my first email about reseting my account. They claim 30 free days plus 15 extra (one for each of the days it was down)


Perhaps Sony's security is so bad because they can't count ?

Corporate world. 15=Business days. :)

I am curious to see what games are discounted via PS+ the next 45 days. I'll withhold any judgement until then.

Sorry i must have missed them, i recall one poster that had his share of problems with YLOD and owned all of the games. Besides that it´s mostly the usual suspects.

Security and counting relates how?

In any case, since you use CFW why do you even care about PS+ ?

I don't use anything , my ps3 is completely dead. As of last month i'm no longer a ps3 owner.

A bad english, no effort to learn it… France! :wink:

It was during the summer 2008, and the M$ offer was largely known on forums, so only people who don't say something, don't have it but if you said "it's the second time, etc…" Bingo! you got the offer!!:lol:

That is such a bullshit post. Should those of us who prefer the 360 post how much we have spent on PS3/PSN in order to post complaints/suggestions? What is the arbitrary dollar amount at which point the complaints become valid? If I have spent more than someone who prefers the PS3 or is a PS3 only owner do I then get to claim that my point is more valid because of that?

If someone doesn´t even use his PS3 or doesn´t own one and is in this thread complaining about the "lack of compensation" for not having his free service for 4 weeks, he most likely has a whole other agenda which doesn´t even belong on this board.

But since you brought it up, how much time do you spend with your PS3 and PSN on an average basis. And do you feel you were fairly compensated?

I dsagree. Valid opinions on a situation are not dependent on personal experience. I have never owned a Toyota, but no-one would argue if I said I thought their safety situation with dodgy brakes are poor form. Nor have I ever been stung with ludicrous bank charges for being overdrawn - does that mean I'm not entitled to say that banks are despicable for charging £100+ for as little as dipping a few pounds into the red? And I haven't used any of the online communication facilities of XB Live!, so am I not entitled to say, reading other people's descriptions of them, that they sound wonderful and I wish PSN had something similar? I've also never fought in a war, so I guess that means I'm not entitled to complain at my government if I feel it's taken the nation into an unjust conflict.

I don't see why a person's opinion of Sony's offerings here have to be dependent of direct involvement any more than other commentary. People have the facts, and can decide for themselves whether they think it's a good deal, whether literal or hypothetical for them, as an open expression of their opinion. If not, almost all discussion boards and comment threads on the internet should be closed down! Along with every political chat show that allows the public to comment.

So you're ignoring them, then. Got it.

Might I suggest if one only wants opinions of registered Sony owners, go read their forums instead of participating here.

How about objective opinions? any hints as to where we should go then?

We certianly can't get them for you. You fail to see the flip side. If you think some of us are anti sony then at the very least we can point out your pro sony.

I have a ps3 and its been dieing on my for the past year. You can look at my posts, first it was the front buttons for ejecting and power , then the drive stoped working and now its dead. I have a psn account and my bank of america card was re-issued by them even though the one on the account was expired it was the same cc number

Your saying those affected by the outtage and the Welcome Back package will be more objective then those who aren't affected in the slightest?

I am saying that people that never posts anything but negative stuff about one platform and goes out of their way to defend another platform is hardly worth calling objective.

Especially in this case where it exactly is those that actually use the PS3 that was affected by the Sony failure. Just pulling the "i have a PS3 and therefor i know stuff" card just doesn´t count with some of the posters history.

If anything i am hardly pro Sony i used more money on Panasonic and Onkyo hardware where Sony had competing but not good enough hardware.

You can call me a happy PS3 user and a die hard violent Blu-Ray defender. I used to be a die hard XBOX hater in the PS2 era because i was of the idea it would slowly but surely kill PC gaming, which always have been my number one platform.

But that ship has sailed (and i was right), and you won´t see me going through XBOX only threads just to take a shit in them.

Actually i am looking forward to getting a 360 Slim and enjoying the offerings :-)

The same goes for folks who never post anything but positive stuff about one platform and goes out of their way to defend it. They too are not worth calling objective.

Actually that is more useful than pure hate towards whatever platform. This is btw going so much OT that it should be nuked.

Having the same folk continually spin, downplay and dismiss any issues for their Dear Leader degrades conversation. It also seems like these people have lot of time and energy to do this repeatedly. I don't get the motivation. I suppose they are of the same mental makeup as fanatical sports fans. Just so happens that the console manufacturer is their team.

What in the world is an "objective opinion"?

complaining about 30 days plus 15 days of PSN+ is adding so much to the conversation :roll: