The horror of plugging in your DS controller into your laptop!!!! :roll::roll: Show me a situation where you actually need to use a keyboard and charge to controllers or the world falls apart as you seem to be indicating - once again you are exaggerating the inconvenience.

That's the problem, you're not object here hence you get called out from time to time for all your cheer leading of MS and over stating of Sony issues.

No its not, first of all you can't seem to get your facts straight, earlier you were saying he lognest Live was down was 5 days now your saying 9 days. Regardless if I had 2 or 3 RROD which is quite common for many of us who bought 360s during the first 3 years, there is a good chance we experienced more than a month of down time due to the error on MS's part. PSN being down didn't prevent me from playing most games locally it kept me from playing online multiplayer and a few PSN titles with DRM issues. For that inconvenience I have multiple titles to choose from for free but that isn't good enough for you because the titles are older however somebody getting Kameo and Perfect Dark for a RROD is proof that MS is here to save the day. But once again earlier in the thread people were complaining that the games Sony is offering are more than 6 months old.

I don't see anyone giving Sony a free pass, I see people trying to put the issue into perspective and calling out over the top comparisons by people such as yourself who have motives which are clear to anyone who is the least bit objective here. Giving away all this software is unprecedented as far as I know. I can't think of another situation where one the major companies gave away this much software to compensate users who in many cases hadn't been harmed in a way that is easy to quantify. PSN going down is subjective because most users don't pay for it and some don't game online anyway but regardless all who have PSN accounts will get software as compensation.

Bullshit, it´s not about being grateful, it´s about feeling it´s "fair". Do i feel i get a back rub and a happy ending? No, do i think "great 5 games worth 250 dollars!" awesome! No...

Do i think it´s an fair deal even though i got most of what is on that list? YES! I get 2 free games for the PSP i would never have bought, i get Dead Nation and i might just go for LBP so i don´t have to use the disc anymore. And, since i have a german account, i might get 2 more games from there..

And i this is me, a "hardcore PS3 user" that have had the console since 1 minute past midnight the day it was released, if i am satisfied most others should be as well.

The real test is, would i have preferred PSN for the past month over the freebie's? absolutely.

I think that's a fair idea
I don't think the damage is that bad, certainly not worth hundreds of millions of dollars in freebies when Sony's finances aren't that great. Free vouchers towards any Sony published games, given to accounts that have spent money, would have given the widest choice at the least cost.

To be pedantic, it's not the new May Xbox Dashboard update, it's an older update which has been in place for a while now.

woah - a gamer who has zero interest in a zombie game!? does not compute!

WTF - the PSN down-time and compenstaion offered is nothing like this comparison, I would say this is like comparing apples to playstations

Good question. Nothing has been released in the past month...

Well they could if they didn't mind having int. online issues, and as we know - there's nothing worse than having int. online issues...esp when you pay the privelage for a premium 'vastly superior' service (which is all I ever hear when I ask what makes PSN so poor in comparison). You're right though, having my sky sports channels int. working for 9 days is a far cry compared to having eurosport offline for a whole month.

They have very different systems in place compared to 360 XBLA titles. XBLA titles that have not had a license transfer do revert to trial games with no Live auth but the majority of PSN titles do not have this type of system built-in to the game and most don't have trials so in these instances you typically (assuming you don't have a slew of Capcom games...) will have been able to play without issue during the PSN downtime.

Eh? Do you know how annoying and irritating it is for the consumer to have his 360 RROD'ed multiple times even at free "repairs"? Which is waiting for weeks for replacement with a refurbished 360? Which may be an RROD'ed time bomb even after the warranty expires?
None of the people I know whose 360's had problems got any accessories or games for free

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter:

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/33662

kind of sums up he media/forum board twists/spins on the matter actually. Too much drama

Good illustration of the over hysterical knee jerk response as has been evident across the net. When your own random sample is 75% against your hypothesis you'd think you'd get the message!!

Love Sharkey's whiteboards. Lots of factual errors in this one, unfortunately, but makes some very good points also. I expect most will fixate on the former and ignore the latter, though.

I don't know. Do you tend to form your opinions based on the consensus opinion? I don't.

Where would you find the consensus? Certainly not on forums filled with the whiny minority mostly representing the polar extremes.

I received a wireless headset who I'm choose in the choice give by M$: 5 MGS games (in memory Kameo, PGR3, Halo3, Viva Pinata, don't remember the last) , a pad and wireless headset, may be also the Wifi connector but not sure, two one month xboxlive for the second repair. The only thing I do it's the call free to M$ for repair and said it's the second time and the first time it's very to long, and we got only one month gold but we're two got Gold active on the same console (what it's true) and she said :"I'm looking that we can make for you" and two days after M$ call us and make the offer. And known 5 peoples who got the same.

The only thing difficult to grasp is that as per your wrong analogy, they're not just offering Beatles, they're offering 4 of 9 different games across two affected platforms. If you are one of those gamers that either own all of those games offered for your affected platform or have zero interest in them, you still have the 30+ free Plus subscription that will give you other free games (during the duration of the membership) or other potential games you don't own cheaper. If you already are a Plus member, you get another 60 days added to your subscription.

You already called the offered titles ancient, without having the decency to point out that the games offered in fact could be considered 'top of the list' in their respective genres. Most of them also offer greatly more value and gametime than your average PSN game (i.e. Flower, Stardust, the PixelJunk games). Wipout Fure/HD can be considered a full retail game with the amount of its content, as can LBP.

And to put things into perspective - no one as far as I can tell is greatful or even arguing that anyone should be greatful. The better word here is adequate. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.



If they are already offering pretty much the top of the list of what you can get on PSN, anything beyond that list could be probably considered mediocre. Mediocre at the very least by the average user-rating it got (only counting 1st/2nd party games here). Sure, Flower would have been great - but I'm sure they have their reasons for not including in their list. And if you want it, you have a 30 day Plus trial to either try it out or probably get it cheaper. Also, I'm not sure which games are in Sony's direct control (1st / 2nd parties) and which are not. I assume the PixelJunk games, while published by Sony, are not games they could offer without significantly adding costs to themselves.

where are you from?

That's just it, they shouldn't have offered *any* titles because there is no way to pick titles that would make everyone happy, it's impossible. There's no point in arguing the value of any offered titles as the perceived value will never be the same between two people. It makes no difference if they are of varied genres, etc, in the end if the person receiving them has no interest in them then they are worthless and that person will have been let down. Being offered 1000 free games is completely useless if one has no interest in any of them. Like the titles you mention, makes no difference to me if Flower is critically acclaimed, Wipeout is considered a fuill retail game, etc, I have zero interest in any of them and if they were awarded to me I wouldn't even download them because their value to me is zero. Hence someone in that same situation will have been let down.

The correct compensation in my mind would have been to give people credit on psn, that's it. Anything else is just guess work and will fail to satisfy many people. With psn credits people can chose to use it exactly where they want, when they want and how they want. That's proper compensation and that's how you soften the blow of no psn for a few weeks because everyone will be happy.

I agree that's the ideal, but I don't think Sony can afford that, plain and simple. Given their finances, they can only offer low-loss 1st and 2nd party titles.

Where does this "many" come from, how many is many? And lets take it one step further, of these "many" how many have any real value to sony? The loudest complainers is usually those that Sony will benefit the least from especially considering their choice of platform is the competition.

Even if they could afford it, it's unreasonable to expect Sony to be out of pocket 100s of millions of dollars to pacify a tiny minority of intractable customers over a minor inconvenience caused by a criminal attack on their business.

wow, I can't even get what's rightfully mine back after lots of phone calls...maybe I call a different number!?

As ideal as that would be, that just isn't realistic nor is it feasable for a company like Sony, especially since they would not be able to control the credits spent across multiple accounts. Not only that but they'd also strain important profits off newer titles that are still in high demand.

If Sony had to take their network offline through no act of any 3rd party but purely because of a problem they directly caused, then yes, a bigger compensation than what they are offering would be fair. However this isn't the case and Sony is every bit of a 'victim' just as we customers were in this. We can argue all day long at how much fault they were for not securing their network enough, but given we don't know the details of the security breach, there's no real way to judge that. They weren't the first to be breached in a way like that and they certainly won't be the last either. In that sense, anything they are willing to offer at their expense IMO is considered at the very least, adequate in my book. If anything, it's a cookie because of the misshandled communication and the longer than expected downtime, which in turn will hopefully result in a more secure infrastructure to avoid something like this in the future.

How many of those 77 million accounts were active anyway? A third? And how many of that third are customers that purchase games over PSN? A quarter maybe again? And how many of those that do buy games over PSN own the complete list of those games?
Even if you have zero interest in the one game you don't own - this gesture enables you at least to give it a go for absolutely no money at all.

Oh ynd by the way, I'm fairly certain if they did offer credit on PSN, we'd just be arguing about the amount.

EDIT: And just to add: PSN doesn't deal with credits, they deal with money. How do you make it fair to the whole world without getting caught up in different pricing over different regions and the exchange-rate?

I think this needs underlying somewhat. In the early days of this breach, we were hearing about credit card numbers getting accessed, and plain text passwords. Reality was Sony were much like any other company, storing encrypted cards and hashes of password. They seemingly had the sort of security as anywhere else. It's not like this is the third time of getting hacked because they failed to learn lessons, nor is it that they left the doors wide opened and invited trouble. They've suffered plenty, and as a PS3 owner it's in my best interests, for the health of the platform, if Sony are allowed to get back up and back in the saddle. This compensatory gesture from them is good PR, it'd be nice if it was fairer by giving more people something of value, and it shouldn't cost them the earth and eat into resources that'd otherwise be spent improving the system and my experience, such as new games or online services. Shelling out $n hundred million on compensation would just result in cutbacks elsewhere which I doubt would be a net gain for users.