The 2900XTX schedule later release probably due to encounter 8800Ultra!

Ah, I see. Thanks. And... oops.:oops:

if the 8800 ultra is 1000, ati doesnt even need to counter it as the only people aware of the situation wont even care about a 1000 card, and all the review sites will likely slam nvidia for launching an 8800 oc at 1000.

Looks like already did with the 158.18 driver Link

theres no performance increases in any of the games i play

Synthetic benchmarks faster with the new nv magic drivers, play with that :wink:

Check what happend with the 7800gtx512mb times, many reviewer used the 799$ msrp card (after first low stock no one able to buy the card in store) 7800gtx512mb in tests, and make the conclusions nv has the king of the hill.
(something like this happend before too, when the reviewers used the 6800 extreme ultra against the other fantom card x800xtpe, but last time the x1800xt was not a fantom card when the 7800gtx512mb released).
Many review site manipulative, and biggest part of the users never see the reality, this users buy the the 7800gtx 256mb after they realized the 7800gtx512mb nowhere in stock, and not buy the faster x1800xt.

Not too many independent review sites left, and this is very bad for the users (newbies in hardware world) who are read the reviews and nothing real there just manipulation.

I get some nice gains with 165.01 in Stalker, Oblivion (64 to 72 fps at a safe point) and Source engine games. COH is faster to I heard.
(With a 8800GTX that is).

well i use the 158.xx for xp 32 bit, and no gains at all in ut2k4, coh, oblivion, fear demo, fear xp demo, armed assault demo, bf 2142/2 demo. only game i havent yet tried is dark messiah, which ill try in a little bit. but seeing as how theres not a single increase in performance in any of the other games, i dont expect one in dm either. i couldnt care less about 3dmark.

i thought the gtx 512 launched at 650 or 700? thats a big ways off from 1000. it also had a sizable performance increase, much bigger than a 650 to 700 mhz 8800 will bring.

Intersting it might be something like this that also helped push AMD into delaying the R600 from Feb/March to April/May (techday/release). Considering roughly 90% of revenue was made on mid-range and lower (250 USD or less) parts, they weren't really losing out on a lot from lost R600 retail sales vs the possible boost it could have on the midrange and lower parts.

There's also the possibility that they see a lowered demand for enthusiast parts in general and came to the conclusion that even enthusiasts are getting tired of paying 600-800 for a video card. Which might be another thing prompting them to release HD 2900 XT at such a low price point. Although, I'm still going with the theory that HD 2900 XTX will be released a month or so after at 100-200 dollars more.

Regards,
SB

I remember wrong, msrp was 649$, in store the price was 799$, than in ebay 1000-1400$.

Maybe the 1000$ or the "its just a oc the to sky 8800gtx" rumor are false, when not, than collectors/rich users/fanboys or users without brain buy it :smile:

Well I forgot to mention I use Vista(64), so that's propbably it, just improving Vista perf.

Ontopic, what should be possible to improve the IQ, apart from higher AA?

LOCALIZED REFRIGERATOR APPARATUS FOR A THERMAL MANAGEMENT DEVICE


This seems to be a vapour chamber (30) on top of the die (28) with a peltier cooler (32) making the vapour condense at a low temperature, with a fan (40) to cool the main heatsink (38).

So that earlier rumour about a Vapochill style cooler was only half right? A peltier cooler consumes quite a lot of power - perhaps that's where the concept of <=300W power consumption comes from.

Jawed

Interesting. Thanks Jawed

Not to nitpick, but the x800xtpe was not a phantom card. They existed and were on sale (I have one in my second computer), though they were hard to find. The 6800 Ultra Extreme never existed. It was never even an official Nvidia SKU. It was a card clocked at 450/1200, I believe, that was sent to reviewers to spoil the x800 launch. They never went on sale.

The low number SKU's i call as fantom cards too, this is why i call 7800gtx 512mb and the x800xtpe as fantom cards.

The card was exist in very low number and only for some AIB( EVGA 6800 Ultra Extreme ), but still many review site used it against the x800xtpe.

Fresh new info posted on my favorite dutch forum from the same reliable source as always:

8800GTX 768MB = 18514 / 12957 -> 599$
R600XT 512MB = 18352 / 12817 -> 399$
8800GTS 640MB = 16892 / 11182 -> 399$
8800GTS 320MB = ~16892 / ~11182 -> 299$
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X1950Pro drops in price to fight GF8600GTS
X1950XT will also drop in price. X1950Pro and X1650XT will still exist until Q3.
HD2900XT uses 225W. With overdrive it will be more than that.
Voucher for HL Episode 2, Team Fortress2 and Portal included
Only HD2900XT will be available at launch. RV630 and RV610 have been delayed.
Clockspeed: 740e/825m
Drivers for DX10 CrossFire aren't ready yet.
3 versions of the XT. 512 GDR3 9.5" for channel. 1GB GDDR4 12.5" for SI's and a 1GB GDDR4 9.5" on special order.

Thanks a lot ofr the info CJ! What ARE the numbers after the name and SKU?

Since most current PSUs only only have 6-pin PCIe, I am curious if overdriver will be an option with them.

Do you know how by how much? The pricing/postioning moves seem to suggest that the delay in not trivial. And with AMD proclaiming that the real reason why R600 was on hold is because "family launch" is so important (a suggestion that already had more holes in it then a chunk of swiss on a machine gun range), their credebility will take yet another blow.

Well they better be come launch day, or those spiffy soundbites will come to soundbite them in the rear.

:grin:

:sad:

Thanks CJ!

Three models of one card? I already have a bit of an issue with the 320MB/640MB 8800GTS, but this... I just don't see why AMD thinks this is at all the right way to go. If they feel 512MB is enough for the HD 2900XT then keep it at 512MB, maybe a shift later to GDDR4 for power consumption reduction is fine on that. But to have a special order release of a 1GB GDDR4 model is just weird, not only that but at what cost? Availability? On top of that confusion it will be seen as giving the OEMs the "better" card in some ways, as I am rather sure that many might be willing to have a huge card if that means getting double the memory and it coming in GDDR4 flavor.

So, GDDR4 is in such tight supply as of now? Interesting...

so no family launch afterall? wonder what 'original' excuse they will think up now.

RV610 and RV630 being delayed does not sound right at all. Really F'd up on AMD's part if true.:roll:

I was thinking the exact same thing.
AMD seemed very frontal when they justified the delay with the option to do a simultaneous launch for the whole family instead..., and now this. :roll:

How can be exact 225watt?
Maximum power come from the pci-e and from the 2x6pin psu connector 1x75watt+2x75watt=225watt, but this is the theoretical maximum.