I don't see that, they always had rather good price/perf ratio (from their sales-people POV).

When you use the word "fight" it means that R600 is to powerful that it requires dual Nvidia's G80 GPUs to beat single R600 GPU: "OR" you mean the word "fight" to simply destroy single R600 GPU video card....

If nVidia is willing to launch a 360+ Watt video card at a price point almost 100% higher than their current high end card, would you describe it as a comfortable situation?

Where do you get that with 360+ W?

According to some review when 8800's got out, might have been extremetech or something, can't remember for sure anymore, said that according to nvidia the max peak power consumption of 8800GTX is ~180W, so 2x that would be 360W, but I doubt if they do a GX2 that the chips would run @ GTX clocks

No thanks for Extreme price 2xG80 $1000 - to beat single ATI $550-$600 video card. "Plus it might be clocked 2x500Mhz for each GPU which will not be 360+ watts"

I thought the latest rumour was that it's a single chip?

Also, I pretty much rule out the option of having 2 GTX-like chips on that card, for many reasons.

Single chip for the 8800Ultra yes.

A GX2 would be G81 based, draw less power etc. but I was just taking the theoretical max. power draw of the G80 for a GX2.

a $1000 Ultra would just be a e-pen1s sku much like the GTX512 was and probably only interesting for two weeks until r600 comes out.

Fudzilla latest:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=462&Itemid=1

Confirms that official name will be Radeon X2900.

Also:

And mentions that R600 has the integrated UVD (Universal Video Decoder) that has previously been talked about in connection with RV6xx.


Continuing here:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=463&Itemid=1

So, some confirmation that R600 will have the same audio capabilities as RV6xx. This also suggests that the audio capability is limited to the passing through of (say) BluRay or HD-DVD disc soundtracks via HDMI - excellent news for HTPC users, but of little interest to anyone else.

If (like me) you're about to put together a system that is intended both for gaming and also for HTPC use, it sounds as though R600 might still be worth waiting for!

Fudo's on a roll:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=464&Itemid=1

Actually it may not indicate anything of the sort. As I understand it the UVD section of the chip is separate from the shaders. (But I could well be wrong).

UVD is indeed separate from the "shadercore", the way I understood it, it's basicly Xilleon integrated to the same silicon as the rest of the core.

Couldn't it be that when you try to watch two different video HD streams UVD takes care of the first and the sencond one is processed using shaders?

Thats exactly what I thought. Is it not the way it is done on current solutions from ATI?

In the current solutions shadercore is working on any videostream you might throw at it as far as I know, the xilleon based part on it handles other things than actually processing the video

By my friend AlexxisF1 at R3D.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...f1/agenafx.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2.../r600_name.png


AMD is aiming for the benchmark numbers and plans to let the media advertise for them. What better way to rule them all than by having a 8 core K10 system equiped with HT3, HTX, PCIe 2.0, and 4 R600's in quad fire? Can you say 2 1/2 tera flops in a box?

I was under the impression that Agena was not due till sometine in Q308.

That's when it's due. But since Agena FX is really just a pair of Barcelona's, which will be released sooner, it's reasonable that you can show them off a bit early.

I think you guys mean Q3 2007.

If AMD is showing Agena anything, these would be engineering samples (or an overclocked Barcelona where they won't open the case or show the CPUID).

Basically, it would be "here's a chip you won't see again for six months winning a few benchmark comparisons that won't be valid in six months".

Q307 you mean? Anyway, probably is, but using it now isn't any different from for example Intel releasing benchmark of Core 2 several months before actually putting those for sale

Yeah and marketing is pointless for a chip that won't be released for a good six months, in those 6 months there are going to be countless press reviews for the r600, with no mention of AMD CPU's, this could backfire, because the PR of showcasing the r600 on Agena on editor's day will have reviews that don't give the same shining outlook. Not to mention editor's day material will be under NDA until the reviews hit, so there will be almost no impact on the general consumer.

Agena |= AgenaFX

True on one end, indeed, but it's no different from what Intel did with Core 2's, except for the video card involved this time

I agree but I think I'm coming around on the whole image thing. If AMD is able to demo a full suite of impressive product lines then that could restore some lost faith. At least they can start people talking about their imminent comeback in the CPU space. But like you said it will all mean nought for performance. R600 will be reviewed on Intel CPU's and there's nothing they can do about that.

Which still has me wondering wth AMD held back R600. They had no reason to, except to launch the R6xx family and showing "Barcelona" that's gonna be 4 months or more late.

US

Well the latest line we're being fed is that they would get better return on their marketing buck by doing it this way. Still sounds like a bunch of bull to me but I'm no CEO :)