View Full Version : DX9.1, wtf?
digitalwanderer
01-Nov-2003, 05:27
I've just been arguing with some people and they're tossing dx9.1 "facts" out at me and it's starting to bug me. So far as I know there has been no announcement about any dx9.1 and nothing but fan speculation about it.
Am I nuts or did I miss something? Is there any basis in fact for all these dx9.1 speculations or is it just total BS?
(This post at nVnews is where I'm starting to lose it over "dx9.1". (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=225091#post225091))
AlphaWolf
01-Nov-2003, 06:06
I seriously doubt there will be a 9.1 version of directx. What would it add and why?
bloodbob
01-Nov-2003, 06:23
As far as I know there is no DX9.1 but if there is one can assume its prolly gonna require PS3.0 / VS3.0 support if it ever comes about I don't think its would be anything new just some new minium requirements and maybe newer HLSL compiler targets.
I believe it all started when some hardware site said there would be a massive preformance jump on NV3X cards when DX9.1 comes out.
PatrickL
01-Nov-2003, 07:54
Dave posted here that week what he thinks about DX 9.1 ( citation from memory) : "DX 9.1 is a myth".
Nice sum up no ? :P
Dave Baumann
01-Nov-2003, 10:04
Someone started throwing DX9.2 around at me a few days ago as well!
Basically, whats being referred to fo the most part is the VS/PS_2_a profile for the VS/PS2 extended features of GeForce FX - this already became available as aprt of the summer update to DX9's SDK and is part of the DX9.0b redistributable.
digitalwanderer
01-Nov-2003, 14:01
Thanks all, that fits in nicely with what I thought was going on too. (DX9.2 Dave? I betcha it was someone talking about something to do with nVidia too. :roll: )
I believe it all started when some hardware site said there would be a massive preformance jump on NV3X cards when DX9.1 comes out.
Anyone remember which site started this rumor? I do smell the makings of a decent little article in this... ;)
MightyPez
01-Nov-2003, 15:37
Anyone remember which site started this rumor? I do smell the makings of a decent little article in this... ;)
I recal someone posting (and still posting to this day) the fabled Direct X 9.1 over at Futuremark. And of course, many people there take it as gospel truth.
digitalwanderer
01-Nov-2003, 15:59
Follow-up: I'm also assuming that there is absolutely nothing behind the "PS 3.0 is going to need FP32!" other than some wet nVidia dreams?
Follow-up: I'm also assuming that there is absolutely nothing behind the "PS 3.0 is going to need FP32!" other than some wet nVidia dreams?
Right.
Bambers
01-Nov-2003, 16:55
Anyone remember which site started this rumor? I do smell the makings of a decent little article in this... ;)
I recal someone posting (and still posting to this day) the fabled Direct X 9.1 over at Futuremark. And of course, many people there take it as gospel truth.
yea i first saw it there too
the article was on some french site, http://www.inpact-hardware.com/actu/news/11346.htm is the link but it gives a 404 now.
PatrickL
01-Nov-2003, 17:04
site changed url. Here you go: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/11346.htm
digitalwanderer
01-Nov-2003, 17:21
site changed url. Here you go: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/11346.htm
Thank you very much! :)
PatrickL
01-Nov-2003, 17:42
Article is wortheless; It s just claims without any source linked anyway.
CorwinB
01-Nov-2003, 18:25
"Holy FP32 Shaderman ! Someone has been making rumors about DirectX 9.1 again !
Quick... To the TeamDXmobile ! "
just me
01-Nov-2003, 18:36
Where do most false rumours start (besides R3D & LH :lol: ) : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5329 :wink:
Don't be getting yourself all worked up again Digi, tain't worth it. 8)
Article is wortheless; It s just claims without any source linked anyway.
I tried to explain to the PCI guy that it was just BS but he didn't want to correct his article... Why ? "because it isn't his job to analyze and verify the information. his job is only to give readers the information someone has given to him" ...
The source is NVIDIA. I think that NVIDIA was a little bit 'ambiguous' when talking him about DX revision and the guy has misunderstood all the the story. As "its job is not to verify the information"...
PatrickL
01-Nov-2003, 21:51
I asked them on the forum if they had any source and they said an "internal source" (lol) and linked two articles posted in july on hardware.fr and x-bit labs when the rumor started with the launch of some nvidia card.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5329
Don't know how it fits the rumor-mongering timeline, however.
K.I.L.E.R
02-Nov-2003, 08:12
DX 9.1 exists because I have the beta. ;)
digitalwanderer
02-Nov-2003, 14:55
DX 9.1 exists because I have the beta. ;)
Well that clinches it for me, now I KNOW dx9.1 is BS. ;)
cthellis42
02-Nov-2003, 20:31
Did they make Quincunx the only allowable AA method in 9.1? ;)
Did they make Quincunx the only allowable AA method in 9.1? ;)
If you can keep a secret...
In the upcoming Series 55 drivers, expected for the NV40 launch in February, they're adding a new AA mode to all NV3x GPUs: "2x 9-tap".
This has been supported in hardware for a long time, since 4x 9-tap is theorically possible, and it's really just a combination of a 2x and a 9 sample filter we've got for 2x 9-tap.
The breaking news though is that Microsoft is introducing a new AQ or "Automatic Quality" tool in DX9.1.
This looks at the FPS of your game ( the game is detected based on its window's identificator, as the Detonator drivers do ), and based on your FPS, the next time you run the game, AA and AF settings are automatically applied for you.
And, believe it or not, NVIDIA managed to convince Microsoft that their only AA solution capable of competing with ATI's 4x and 6x, edge quality-wise, is 2x 9-tap.
This feature can also be fully disabled, or, a certain favorite of reviewers, it can be "forced" based on the results of two log files, thus coming from two different cards. It then averages then and gives similar IQ settings for both cards.
The result? It is widely expected by IHVs and ISVs that this utility will suggest you to compare 2x 9-tap with ATI's 6x. Reviewers will be forced to use this utility by both NVIDIA and Microsoft.
But hey, if you publish this, I'd have to kill you :lol:
Uttar
P.S.: Anyone who believed this for a single second is an idiot.
There, happy, Dig? :P
digitalwanderer
02-Nov-2003, 21:10
Did they make Quincunx the only allowable AA method in 9.1? ;)
If you can keep a secret...
In the upcoming Series 55 drivers, expected for the NV40 launch in February, they're adding a new AA mode to all NV3x GPUs: "2x 9-tap".
This has been supported in hardware for a long time, since 4x 9-tap is theorically possible, and it's really just a combination of a 2x and a 9 sample filter we've got for 2x 9-tap.
The breaking news though is that Microsoft is introducing a new AQ or "Automatic Quality" tool in DX9.1.
This looks at the FPS of your game ( the game is detected based on its window's identificator, as the Detonator drivers do ), and based on your FPS, the next time you run the game, AA and AF settings are automatically applied for you.
And, believe it or not, NVIDIA managed to convince Microsoft that their only AA solution capable of competing with ATI's 4x and 6x, edge quality-wise, is 2x 9-tap.
This feature can also be fully disabled, or, a certain favorite of reviewers, it can be "forced" based on the results of two log files, thus coming from two different cards. It then averages then and gives similar IQ settings for both cards.
The result? It is widely expected by IHVs and ISVs that this utility will suggest you to compare 2x 9-tap with ATI's 6x. Reviewers will be forced to use this utility by both NVIDIA and Microsoft.
But hey, if you publish this, I'd have to kill you :lol:
Uttar
You enjoy making stuff up just to fuck with people, don't you?
K.I.L.E.R
03-Nov-2003, 01:19
I'm sure we all do. ;)
Here is some benches of DX9.1:
UT03: 10000000000000fps
Here is some benches of DX9.0b:
UT03: 1fps
See the difference? :lol:
Basically, whats being referred to fo the most part is the VS/PS_2_a profile for the VS/PS2 extended features of GeForce FX - this already became available as aprt of the summer update to DX9's SDK and is part of the DX9.0b redistributable.
Technically, it isn't. Whole HLSL (and thus any profiles) aren't part of DX runtime libraries (they are part of SDK only). DX9.0b was released before Summer Update, and it differs from 9.0a just by fixing some security hole in DirectPlay.
bloodbob
03-Nov-2003, 08:01
Uttar thats not funny the number of nvidiots who would claim it looks superior would be annoying ( just look at all the starstorm XP users and their -15 mipmap LOD bais ). The other sad thing is blurring the crap out of image is considered atleast in some circles valid AA :/ if we were using better magnification filters then linear you could almost say render it to a quarter of the screen size texture and just magnify it.
Althornin
03-Nov-2003, 16:18
DX 9.1 is included in the leaked HL2 Source!
i wouldnt mind a dx91 with fbuffer support.
i wouldnt mind a dx91 with fbuffer support.
I've seen a statement from ATI that they don't want to expose F-Buffer in DX and only use it for GLslang because of certain implications. It sure may be because of resource limits which have to be "hard" in DX, whereas in GL you can decide on a per-shader basis whether it will run in hardware or not.
digitalwanderer
03-Nov-2003, 17:11
DX 9.1 is included in the leaked HL2 Source!
No it's not. :roll:
DX 9.1 is included in the leaked HL2 Source!
No it's not. :roll:
You're right. It's DX 9.2 :lol:
Althornin
03-Nov-2003, 20:31
DX 9.1 is included in the leaked HL2 Source!
No it's not. :roll:
re-read this thread. examine the comments.
re-read my post.
laugh!
martrox
03-Nov-2003, 21:45
Didn't they find Jimmy Hoffa's remains in the leaked HL2 Source?
StealthHawk
04-Nov-2003, 00:30
Did they make Quincunx the only allowable AA method in 9.1? ;)
If you can keep a secret...
In the upcoming Series 55 drivers, expected for the NV40 launch in February, they're adding a new AA mode to all NV3x GPUs: "2x 9-tap".
This has been supported in hardware for a long time, since 4x 9-tap is theorically possible, and it's really just a combination of a 2x and a 9 sample filter we've got for 2x 9-tap.
The breaking news though is that Microsoft is introducing a new AQ or "Automatic Quality" tool in DX9.1.
This looks at the FPS of your game ( the game is detected based on its window's identificator, as the Detonator drivers do ), and based on your FPS, the next time you run the game, AA and AF settings are automatically applied for you.
And, believe it or not, NVIDIA managed to convince Microsoft that their only AA solution capable of competing with ATI's 4x and 6x, edge quality-wise, is 2x 9-tap.
This feature can also be fully disabled, or, a certain favorite of reviewers, it can be "forced" based on the results of two log files, thus coming from two different cards. It then averages then and gives similar IQ settings for both cards.
The result? It is widely expected by IHVs and ISVs that this utility will suggest you to compare 2x 9-tap with ATI's 6x. Reviewers will be forced to use this utility by both NVIDIA and Microsoft.
But hey, if you publish this, I'd have to kill you :lol:
Uttar
How much do you want to bet that someone somewhere will take this seriously :lol:
Tim Murray
04-Nov-2003, 00:40
Didn't they find Jimmy Hoffa's remains in the leaked HL2 Source?
No--they found the Holy Grail!
Althornin
04-Nov-2003, 00:40
Didn't they find Jimmy Hoffa's remains in the leaked HL2 Source?
nah, Elvis stole the HL2 source code from valve, and he woulda left Hoffa alone.
digitalwanderer
04-Nov-2003, 00:45
How much do you want to bet that someone somewhere will take this seriously :lol:
No smiley, I'm just waiting for someone to point this out to me when I'm arguing with 'em somewhere as "proof". :roll:
Tim Murray
04-Nov-2003, 00:48
How much do you want to bet that someone somewhere will take this seriously :lol:
No smiley, I'm just waiting for someone to point this out to me when I'm arguing with 'em somewhere as "proof". :roll:
And that is exactly why I have created DSTP--the Dopeslap Transmission Protocol. Or we could send a Special Forces team deep into China to find the secret lab where they're keeping Vambat and let him loose upon the poor bastard.
digitalwanderer
04-Nov-2003, 01:38
How much do you want to bet that someone somewhere will take this seriously :lol:
No smiley, I'm just waiting for someone to point this out to me when I'm arguing with 'em somewhere as "proof". :roll:
And that is exactly why I have created DSTP--the Dopeslap Transmission Protocol. Or we could send a Special Forces team deep into China to find the secret lab where they're keeping Vambat and let him loose upon the poor bastard.
I still want a device that lets you stab people in the face over the internet. :roll:
I still want a device that lets you stab people in the face over the internet. :roll:
Right. 'Cause you'd be the only one who'd have one.
Why is ther DX 9.1 in this roadmap?
http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/1271/images/0014170_PIC.gif
Why is there a DX10.0 in this roadmap? :wink:
That's simply marketing, they use "DX9.1" to discriminate between PS/VS 2.0 and PS/VS 3.0
K.I.L.E.R
05-Nov-2003, 05:05
Why is there a DX10.0 in this roadmap? :wink:
That's simply marketing, they use "DX9.1" to discriminate between PS/VS 2.0 and PS/VS 3.0
Why don't you listen to me?
I have the beta of DX 9.1. I can prove it.
Just give me time to download Photoshop. :wink: :twisted:
RM. Andersson
05-Nov-2003, 06:28
But Dx10 will be released 12-18 months from now. So I guess it´s not impossible that MS will release a Dx version they call Dx9.1 sometime in the next 18 months. :idea:
cthellis42
05-Nov-2003, 08:43
Certainly not. It's just being sure of the when's and what's of such a thing at this point is pure conjecture.
Dave Baumann
05-Nov-2003, 08:45
MS presently aren't even talking about "DirectX 10" they will presently only refer to "DirectX Next".
RM. Andersson
05-Nov-2003, 09:24
I guess the next major Dx will be released with Longhorn. So when late betas and RC:s of longhorn are released people might be able to try the new Dx. That could be interesting.
Sharkfood
05-Nov-2003, 11:52
Word on the street is- the DX9.1 beta has the "NVIDIA- The Way It's Meant to be Played" logo on API initialization.
:shock: :P :lol:
Trawler
05-Nov-2003, 12:19
Slight OT, but this 'Next' branding seems to getting stuck to a number of upcoming MS products. I hope they don't brand Longhorn as Windows Next. Apple would be livid. :)
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