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With just two weeks before winter testing starts in Spain on 1 February, and teams hurriedly putting the finishing touches to their new cars, we take a look at the key factors that will shape the races this season.
Dave Baumann
18-Jan-2010, 03:29
Bah, don't tease me! :evil:
Bah, don't tease me! :evil:
What? Are you suggesting that you have work to do?! Everyone knows sport is more important than anything; more important than love, more important than work, more important than eating or sleeping even.
Dave Baumann
18-Jan-2010, 20:46
What? Are you suggesting that you have work to do?! Everyone knows sport is more important than anything; more important than love, more important than work, more important than eating or sleeping even.
Oh, believe me, my one and only religion is still in perspective and everything will make way for the ~biweekly attendance in front of the TV, I'm just annoyed that I still have another week to wait before we see the first car released, another two weeks before we start seeing some performances and another 8 weekes before the first race!
Lightman
18-Jan-2010, 21:10
At least we know that Renault is back in black :wink:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.confidential-renault.fr/?id=406
entity279
18-Jan-2010, 21:14
another 8 weekes before the first race!
Surely by that time we won't be also interested in any GF100 launch ;).
Dave Baumann
18-Jan-2010, 21:21
Surely by that time we won't be also interested in any GF100 launch ;).
Which launch number will we be up to by then? We're already at 2 and counting... ;)
itsmydamnation
18-Jan-2010, 23:18
i think the ALU's need there own Launch, after all they are pretty epic. 384bit bus high power requirements, i think the PCB needs its own launch too. There software based eyefinity will also need a launch. After that they will have run out of launch money and will just release G100 without a launch :razz:
Oh, believe me, my one and only religion is still in perspective and everything will make way for the ~biweekly attendance in front of the TV, I'm just annoyed that I still have another week to wait before we see the first car released, another two weeks before we start seeing some performances and another 8 weekes before the first race!
Good, I thought we were losing you and I had to get Ross Brawn here to spill some tech details about the new Silver Arrow. :D
Did you read Joe Saward's blog about the different route PR people can take to get into F1? If not, here (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/movement/) is it, it might be of interest to you.
DaveB is not interested in PR.. LOL.
A question.. who would pay (and by that I mean pay extra) to watch F1?
Would you still tune into F1 if it was on Sky Sport (and you did not already subscribe to it and you were not into Football or Cricket - sorry I dont know any other sports apart from maybe Kabadi) or Pay Per View?
DaveB is not interested in PR.. LOL.
Technical PR, relations to suppliers, partners, vendors and customers.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses.
Mercedes GP: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and ??
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari
Campos: Senna and Maldonado or Petrov
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
USF1: ??
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog:
de la Rosa is confirmed at Sauber.
Only 5 seats are not filled, USF1, 1 Renault, 1 Toro Rosso and 1 Campos.
tongue_of_colicab
19-Jan-2010, 17:08
DaveB is not interested in PR.. LOL.
A question.. who would pay (and by that I mean pay extra) to watch F1?
Would you still tune into F1 if it was on Sky Sport (and you did not already subscribe to it and you were not into Football or Cricket - sorry I dont know any other sports apart from maybe Kabadi) or Pay Per View?
I don't think I would but there probably are countries where you have to. When I visted my friend in Japan we also watched F1 and he told me he needed a decoder or whatever to watch it. It wasn't on one of the channels you get in the basic cable package or however that might work in Japan and other countries (in Holland you have 1 package with most of the commercial and public channels and than you can sign up and pay extra for channels like movie channel, live sports channel (mostly football, stuff like tennis and F1 and iceskating is always on the main cable channels) etc).
They still can't broadcast in HD next season?
Lightman
19-Jan-2010, 17:57
DaveB is not interested in PR.. LOL.
A question.. who would pay (and by that I mean pay extra) to watch F1?
Would you still tune into F1 if it was on Sky Sport (and you did not already subscribe to it and you were not into Football or Cricket - sorry I dont know any other sports apart from maybe Kabadi) or Pay Per View?
Depends on the price tag ...
I can always ask one of my friends to set up live broadcast over the internet from Poland for instance ...
But one is for sure, if BBC crew would be involved (commentators, ex. drivers) than I'm happy to pay even £50-£100 p.a. for privilege to watch and listen to them and not some monkeys from Polish TV :wink: (they really are that bad!!!)
We do pay over £100 per annum - it is called the TV License.
If I had to pay more money on top then... well the internet is my friend :)
Dave Baumann
20-Jan-2010, 02:29
Did you read Joe Saward's blog about the different route PR people can take to get into F1? If not, here (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/movement/) is it, it might be of interest to you.
I've already managed one "general interest to career" move and, while admittedly I've harboured the thought, I'm not convinced I can pull it off twice! (Though, if you see a site named BeyondGP registered, you know I may be beginning to try! :p )
I've already managed one "general interest to career" move and, while admittedly I've harboured the thought, I'm not convinced I can pull it off twice! (Though, if you see a site named BeyondGP registered, you know I may be beginning to try! :p )
Well, if you ever decide to go for it, we'll support you! :cool:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80981
Ugh, what are they doing? Sign someone so they can drive the car at the earliest opportunity! What are you doing, Renault?
And don't hire Heidfeld, the most boring man in the paddock.
tongue_of_colicab
20-Jan-2010, 16:35
They got someone to drive. Kubica. And given that the drivers who are left are worse than he is there isnt a point in rushing as Kubica will be the one who has to do the job the most. Beter give him as much time possible and get the car the way he wants it.
They got someone to drive. Kubica. And given that the drivers who are left are worse than he is there isnt a point in rushing as Kubica will be the one who has to do the job the most. Beter give him as much time possible and get the car the way he wants it.
Kubica can't win both championships alone.
Lightman
20-Jan-2010, 21:35
Kubica can't win both championships alone.
At least he will try his best :grin:
I just hope his partner will be decent (a lot better than Grosjean or kamikaze Nakajima). I hoped Kobayashi would join him, but Sauber was quicker :cry:!
Can't wait till first tests! Wonder how much every team will be showing/hiding at the beginning.
BTW Renault R30 didn't pass front crash tests. They wanted to make nose as light as possible and overdid it slightly. But they should be ready for end of this month with a car.
Haven't heard any bad (or even good) info about Ferrari and Brawn cars ....
Red Bull is either late with development or they simply decided not to show they cards during first official test ...
If only there would be a pill to swallow which make you sleep for 2 more months! :twisted:
At least he will try his best :grin:
I just hope his partner will be decent (a lot better than Grosjean or kamikaze Nakajima). I hoped Kobayashi would join him, but Sauber was quicker :cry:!
Can't wait till first tests! Wonder how much every team will be showing/hiding at the beginning.
BTW Renault R30 didn't pass front crash tests. They wanted to make nose as light as possible and overdid it slightly. But they should be ready for end of this month with a car.
Haven't heard any bad (or even good) info about Ferrari and Brawn cars ....
Red Bull is either late with development or they simply decided not to show they cards during first official test ...
If only there would be a pill to swallow which make you sleep for 2 more months! :twisted:
Failing a crash test is no big deal, it just tells me they are pushing the envelope and trying hard.
Who can fill the 2nd Renault seat? Heidfeld? Sure, he has current experience and a lot of it, but he is not a race winner.
Vitaly Petrov? Sure, he has had decent results in GP2 (came second last year) and apparently he brings good sponsorship as well.
Takuma Sato? He could be interesting due to the fact that Renault and Nissan are in an alliance together. He has tested for Toro Rosso so he has a bit of current experience.
Jacques Villeneuve? He didn't impress last time he drove a Renault in F1, but he is a effervescent person who is not afraid to speak his mind. He has stated he would love to drive on slicks again and that he'd love racing with race fuel on-board.
Romain Grosjean? He was thrown in at the far end and almost drowned. He could be given the seat based on the fact that he has actually driven an F1 car in the last 6 months, but I don't know if he has the inherent speed. He also seems to have lost a bit of speed after his GP2 crash in Monaco last year. Maybe it messed up his head.
Nelsinho Piquet? Nope, he's going to NASCAR.
Christian Klien? I don't know, he's never stood out for me.
Anthony Davidson? Same as with Klien, actually.
Lightman
21-Jan-2010, 11:47
I rate Petrov and Heidfeld as having biggest chance.
It would be a nice surprise if Sato gets the drive.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses. Some names are hyperlinks to stories about the confirmation.
Mercedes GP: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and ??
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/toro-rosso-goes-for-alguersuari/)
Campos: Senna and Maldonado or Petrov
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
USF1: ??
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog: Alguersuari confirmed at Toro Rosso.
so why are some names in blue ?
Baguette.
He has a, as Joe Saward noted a "delightfully French name" (even though he actually is a Belgian), so Renault may go all quasi-nationalistic and hire him.
so why are some names in blue ?
Links to a story as proof. They are in bold and links.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses. Some names are hyperlinks to stories with information and in case of bold, confirmation.
Mercedes GP: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and ??
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/toro-rosso-goes-for-alguersuari/)
Campos: Senna and Maldonado or Petrov
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
USF1: Lopez (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81032) and ??
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog: Jose Maria Lopez about to be confirmed at USF1 according to Autosport.
infinity4
23-Jan-2010, 17:29
Heidfeld completes German Triplet Mercedes GP :D
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/156215/1/heidfeld_out_of_renault_running_as_he_accepts_merc edes_reserve_role.html
But I am not sure if a test driver is also allowed to drive for another team during the season like Fisichella?
Dave Baumann
23-Jan-2010, 20:48
Apparently a preview of the 2010 Ferrari livery:
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010jantest1/image/E1V_0020-2http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010jantest1/image/E1V_0257-2
Apparently a preview of the 2010 Ferrari livery:
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010jantest1/image/E1V_0020-2
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010jantest1/image/E1V_0257-2
Too much white for Ferrari, IMO :???:
Too much white for Ferrari, IMO
Really?
2006:
http://i.imgur.com/luYGP.jpg
2005:
http://i.imgur.com/nNYqn.jpg
2004:
http://i.imgur.com/sPv5K.jpg
2003:
http://i.imgur.com/i2kqZ.jpg
2002:
http://i.imgur.com/JTbyR.jpg
1976:
http://i.imgur.com/6VaWP.jpg
I didn't say they hadn't had too much white earlier too ;)
But IMO that's too much regardless, especially the back spoilers sides is too much, even if the spoiler itself would be ok.
And most of those you showed weren't nearly as bad in those races where they could have straight tobacco adds on them
I have a theory about why you think there's too much white: the front wings now are huge and the rear wings are tall. The white is just more prominent.
That could add it's effect on it, true
Dave Baumann
25-Jan-2010, 12:20
The Mercedes livery on Brawn's 2009 car:
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010merc1/image/l__mg_7478-2
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2010merc1/image/l__mg_7647-2
And James Allen has something interesting to say on Ferrari's challenge this year, which I hadn't appreciated before:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/does-massas-ferrari-test-matter/
Ferrari’s big issue this season is fuel consumption, with suggestions that at 2009 rates of fuel use, they may have to carry as much as 10 kilos of fuel more at the start of the race than cars powered by Renault or Mercedes. On average this will mean a deficit of 3/10ths of a second per lap to their rivals and more on some tracks. I think it that the actual figure is likely to be less than this, because it is something that they have been working hard on this winter.
I think the colours look fine. The original Silver Arrows were just the aluminium sheet metal because they scraped off the paint since it weighed so much. This scheme that Mercedes is going to run is much whiter than the one McLaren has ran previously.
Regarding the fuel consumption, that is one of the strong points of the Renault engine. It's going to be interesting to see how much Ferrari can do with the development freeze. They can change mappings and stuff like that, but what more? Can their engine for instance, in fuel-saving mode disable 4 cylinders of the V8 effectively turning it into an I4 or a v4? This can be useful for when sitting on the grid, going in and out of the pit lane etc.
tongue_of_colicab
25-Jan-2010, 16:30
All engines can already switch on and off cylinders for years as far as I know. Mainly because of heat while standing still. I don't know if they can change it while driving etc. In that case it would mostly be usefull in a pitcar situation. For going in and out of the pits I dont think it will matter much. It's such a short distance and they already drive slow so the amount of fuel used is probably so small that it wont make a real difference.
Dave Baumann
25-Jan-2010, 17:41
I think the colours look fine. The original Silver Arrows were just the aluminium sheet metal because they scraped off the paint since it weighed so much. This scheme that Mercedes is going to run is much whiter than the one McLaren has ran previously.
Although McLaren have said they will run Silver, Black and Red (Vodaphone), I wonder if they will try and transition to Orange over time...
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/sasjag/orangemacca.jpg
Lightman
25-Jan-2010, 20:31
I wonder how Cosworth engines will fare in fuel consumption compared to other manufacturers.
I've read some time ago about F1 engines and apparently Mercedes and BMW engines were most powerful (BMW only second because of higher fuel consumption) with around 757BHP, but Cosworth is supposed to develop over 770BHP!
Renault is the most economical and that's why Fernando was almost always able to do 1-2 more laps than commentators were predicting with his fuel loads.
Toyota had the worst engine in F1 ... (poor Williams)
One week to go for some teasers :wink:
A few bhp this way or the other won't decide things, as you could see with BMW etc. It's the magic of the whole package, aerodynamics, suspension, tires,... the key word is balance. Much room for both success and failure there.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses. Some names are hyperlinks to stories with information and in case of bold, confirmation.
Mercedes GP: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and Petrov?
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/toro-rosso-goes-for-alguersuari/)
Campos: Senna and Maldonado or Petrov
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
USF1: Lopez (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/usf1-confirms-lopez/) and ??
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog: Jose Maria Lopez confirmed at USF1.
Proposed new points structure
25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81048
Proposed new points structure
25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81048
That looks a little more sensible than the previous idea. 20 points for second place always looked a bit on the high side.
Yeah, I think the ratios were the real problem. This looks more interesting.
RobertR1
27-Jan-2010, 20:20
I like the new points structure. Winning should certainly be worth a lot more.
Silent_Buddha
27-Jan-2010, 20:22
What will be amusing if there is a driver that consistently finishes 5th and ends up winning the championship. Entirely possible if the top drivers have inconsistent performances. Something that would be impossible in the past.
Regards,
SB
What will be amusing if there is a driver that consistently finishes 5th and ends up winning the championship. Entirely possible if the top drivers have inconsistent performances. Something that would be impossible in the past.
Regards,
SB
The ratio is the same. :?:
Silent_Buddha
28-Jan-2010, 01:20
Ok, I'm maybe showing my Forumla 1 age here, but weren't points only awarded for the first 6 (or was it 5?) finishes? With the 5th receiving just 2 points, far less than a 1st place finish which I believe was 10? Meaning you'd have to place 5th, 5 times in order to match one first place finish. Now with 10 versus 25, that's only 2.5.
From your comment I'm going to guess the points structure has changed a LOT since I used to watch F1 regularly.
Regards,
SB
Ok, I'm maybe showing my Forumla 1 age here, but weren't points only awarded for the first 6 (or was it 5?) finishes? With the 5th receiving just 2 points, far less than a 1st place finish which I believe was 10? Meaning you'd have to place 5th, 5 times in order to match one first place finish. Now with 10 versus 25, that's only 2.5.
From your comment I'm going to guess the points structure has changed a LOT since I used to watch F1 regularly.
Regards,
SB
The 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system was changed to the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system for the 2003 season and it was this system through 2009.
The old system, the one you are talking about, had a 2x (5) the ratio that is now between 1st and 5th. I believe this is a non-issue, though, because no-one has ever won either championship after 2002 when the ratio became 2.5 between 1st and 5th places.
Silent_Buddha
28-Jan-2010, 03:40
Yeah doubtful it'll happen (virtually impossible) but would be funny if it did. :)
Did they change the system just so the also-rans could feel better about themselves? And in the process reduce the importance of actually coming in first?
As in wooo, I know I only came in 8th, but I got a point! Wooooo.
Hmm, looking at the new points spread, it looks like a compromise between the New and Old scoring system. As there's greater seperation between 1st and 2nd place, but not as much as in the system I was used to.
Regards,
SB
dizietsma
28-Jan-2010, 10:07
New Ferrari
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ferrari_2010_3.jpg
Got a similar nose to the RebBull from last year as the most obvious change.
Looks good, but they couldn't do a shakedown with it today because of the weather at Fiorano.
Yeah doubtful it'll happen (virtually impossible) but would be funny if it did. :)
Did they change the system just so the also-rans could feel better about themselves? And in the process reduce the importance of actually coming in first?
As in wooo, I know I only came in 8th, but I got a point! Wooooo.
Hmm, looking at the new points spread, it looks like a compromise between the New and Old scoring system. As there's greater seperation between 1st and 2nd place, but not as much as in the system I was used to.
Regards,
SB
Just giving points for the first six positions when there are possibly going to be as many as 26 cars on the grid this year is not good for a sponsorship perspective. A sponsor would tell a team that is not fighting for the front positions that they suck and that the money is going away unless they can score a point.
chavvdarrr
28-Jan-2010, 13:02
more rumours that Renault will sign with Vitalii Petrov (and his sponsors will pay ~ 15mln euro)
more rumours that Renault will sign with Vitalii Petrov (and his sponsors will pay ~ 15mln euro)The rumours have been going for a while now and it looks ever more likely to happen.
Kubica and Petrov sounds exciting. Petrov came runner up in GP2 last year and he's won 4 races in GP2 proper and 2 in GP2 Asia.
chavvdarrr
28-Jan-2010, 13:43
The rumours have been going for a while now and it looks ever more likely to happen.
Kubica and Petrov sounds exciting. Petrov came runner up in GP2 last year and he's won 4 races in GP2 proper and 2 in GP2 Asia.
A reaction from russian:
if damned Gazprom and Putin give him the money, he'll disgrace us (russians) in F1, too
:lol:
Dave Baumann
28-Jan-2010, 17:00
Spy shot of the 2010 Williams, doing a shakedown at Silverstone:
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1264694745.jpg
Saw that, Dave. Seems like Adrian Newey is going to influence the whole field.
Dave Baumann
28-Jan-2010, 17:31
I think there is going to be similarities in the noses of the cars due to the loophool Newey identified in the rules for the nose/tub layout. However, so far it appears that the Williams and Ferrari are using push rod, rather than pull rod, rear suspension, so there appears to be some hesitance to adopt the rear end (perhaps because the double diffusers are still allowed this year).
I think there is going to be similarities in the noses of the cars due to the loophool Newey identified in the rules for the nose/tub layout. However, so far it appears that the Williams and Ferrari are using push rod, rather than pull rod, rear suspension, so there appears to be some hesitance to adopt the rear end (perhaps because the double diffusers are still allowed this year).
What exactly was the loophole he found?
Regarding pull rod suspension, if any team other than Red Bull runs it this year, why would they when double diffusers are banned for next year and you have more room back there to play with?
Dave Baumann
28-Jan-2010, 18:46
What exactly was the loophole he found?
If forget the exact details, but there is something like a minimum high that the tub must be at, and also the FIA dicatate the mimimum size the tub must be across the diagonal. By lifting the sides of the tub up, but dropping the middle section it still satisfies all the criteria.
Regarding pull rod suspension, if any team other than Red Bull runs it this year, why would they when double diffusers are banned for next year and you have more room back there to play with?
This year and next year are going to be two competing directions because of the the inclusion of DD this year and the exclusion next. The reason Red Bull did it lat year was to maximise airflow at the back of the car and increase, as much as possible, the downforce from the rear wing; other teams got better downforce and increased efficiency from the DD.
The issue with pull rod suspension is that it increases the components for suspention underneath the gearbox, precisely where you want to be maximising the use of the airflow for the DD solutions. I'll wager that this year you'll see a lot of the teams tooling around at the bottom ot maximise DD efficiency (which may prevent them from adopting pull rod) but then more will need to look at pull rod's next year to improve the airflow at the back when they remove DD's.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/14056?sid=fac5a70753d400a8de212ee96e1c433c
F1 technical's early, early take on the car.
dizietsma
29-Jan-2010, 10:27
New mclaren
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7357/dvvapxgu.jpg
Wow ...
Hmm, looks like they might've found some loophole, that extended engine covers seems to flair outwards towards the rear wing.
That section looks butt ugly though.
Dave Baumann
29-Jan-2010, 13:56
LOL. And McLaren go and do a pull rod suspension design. [edit] No, they don't in fact.
And thank god JB has gone back to his traditional helmet design.
Looks like a guy with a huge, motherfucking mohawk.
Dave Baumann
29-Jan-2010, 16:37
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81128
Interesting. Ferrari are already concerned about competitors solutions for the double diffuser and there is already talks of a performance deficit in the F10 and rumours of an F10B spec already being worked on!
That McLaren looks like one mean mofo - hope it performs as badass as it looks.
Silent_Buddha
29-Jan-2010, 19:48
Hmm, looks like they might've found some loophole, that extended engine covers seems to flair outwards towards the rear wing.
That section looks butt ugly though.
Actually in that picture it looks like it narrows towards the rear wing. You can see the bulge where the air is directed down and into the engine, and it appears to flatten out from that towards the rear wing.
Looks to be there just to provide a little more lateral stability.
Regards,
SB
Lightman
29-Jan-2010, 19:49
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81128
Interesting. Ferrari are already concerned about competitors solutions for the double diffuser and there is already talks of a performance deficit in the F10 and rumours of an F10B spec already being worked on!
Not again! :sad:
I think the whole double diffuser thing is silly. It is all about what the definition of a slot and a surface is.
Dave Baumann
29-Jan-2010, 20:06
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/marcmclaren/mclaren_mp425_comp_top.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/marcmclaren/mclaren_mp425_comp_right.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/marcmclaren/mclaren_mp424and5_front.jpg
dizietsma
29-Jan-2010, 21:47
Both Ferrari and McLaren covered up the rear of the car .. so showing that the most important feature yet again in 2010 is the diffuser and what teams can get away with.
infinity4
29-Jan-2010, 21:53
I see a couple of sponsors, Santander and SAP are missing from new livery.
Dave Baumann
29-Jan-2010, 22:36
Santander are following Alonso over to Ferrari (hence the increase in white on the Ferrari), they are still sponsering McLaren though and are prevelant on the driver overalls.
Thankfully no detail escapes the eyes of mclarens engineers
"When McLaren bolted their new Formula 1 car together for the first time on Thursday night in preparation for Friday's 2010 launch, they hit upon a problem. It wouldn't fit in the lift in the team's factory."
Lightman
29-Jan-2010, 23:48
That's a nice comparison Dave! :cool2:
It looks so much bigger than the old model.
Also front wing is much more fancy!
You can't miss that big fin :shock:!
BTW it's very apparent that breaks will suffer a lot more under new rules with no refuelling. Just look at those brake air ducts! Massive!
I love this time of year. :)
Sauber and Renault are launching their cars today.
Sauber C29 launched. (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/the-new-sauber-c29/)
Warning, huge pictures.
http://i.imgur.com/CM7LTs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/CM7LT.jpg)http://i.imgur.com/BDDkcs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/BDDkc.jpg)
FIA mandates ultra-sensitive GPS for 2010. (http://www.f1technical.net/news/14075?sid=8b5548b69642de14fdbefa6fa0aafa70)
Stewards have been increasingly criticised in recent years after poor judgement of driver actions on track. In order to improve the decision making, the data of the new GPS system will be directly transmitted to the race director, Charlie Whiting, and will allow them to track the position of every car to a precision of 1m.
Renault R30 launched and Vitaly Petrov confirmed + pictures (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/petrov-confirmed-as-renault-f1-driver/)
http://i.imgur.com/M1nbq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hbMN8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xQcv0.jpg
It looks like a tiger with the old Renault Sport livery. Very nice.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses. Some names are hyperlinks to stories with information and in case of bold, confirmation.
Mercedes: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and Petrov (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/petrov-confirmed-as-renault-f1-driver/)
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/toro-rosso-goes-for-alguersuari/)
Campos: Senna and Maldonado or ??
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
USF1: Lopez (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/usf1-confirms-lopez/) and ??
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog: Petrov confirmed at Renault. Now only the second seats at Campos and USF1 remain.
There are stories about Campos having trouble finding money and that Tony Teixeira (A1GP boss) is buying the outfit. There are also weird stories about Stefan GP and Toyota cars and IP.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/running-fast-and-loose-with-reality/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/deals-done-over-campos-stefan-and-no-shows-in-2010/
Lightman
31-Jan-2010, 17:51
Nice cars from Sauber and Renault :smile:
It should be very easy to spot Renault on track!
Tomorrow is the day I'm looking forward. Let's start the engines :twisted:!
tongue_of_colicab
31-Jan-2010, 19:04
I don't really like the renault. Too much black in places where it doesn't seem right. I do think they should paint shark teeth on the nose and make it look like the old Jordans. I don't understand why nobody besides Jordan ever did that btw. What can possibly be more bad ass than shark teeth on the nose of your car? You gain atleast 0,5 seconds just by having them i'm sure.
itsmydamnation
31-Jan-2010, 20:13
FIA mandates ultra-sensitive GPS for 2010. (http://www.f1technical.net/news/14075?sid=8b5548b69642de14fdbefa6fa0aafa70)
that isn't all that good for GPS,
we use this for helping to navigate ships though the great barrier reef
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS#Accuracy
our own tests agree more with the 0.22m per 100km then the 0.6m per 100km
that isn't all that good for GPS,
we use this for helping to navigate ships though the great barrier reef
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS#Accuracy
our own tests agree more with the 0.22m per 100km then the 0.6m per 100km
But ships don't move at 300 kph.
itsmydamnation
31-Jan-2010, 20:29
I hope you realise how long it takes for a bulk carrier to stop or change course. Ships are tracked far more aggressively then you might think. Its very important for incident investigation to know exact times when changes occur because it takes so long for it to have a visible effect. AIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Identification_System) for example can be sub 2 seconds.
Polling intervals aren't a factor for accuracy sure the exact deployments used for VTS might not fit F1 but that has nothing to do with what makes DGPS so accurate. when your cars are what 1.8 meters by 4-5 meters (?) 1meter accuracy doesn't seems that good.
I hope you realise how long it takes for a bulk carrier to stop or change course. Ships are tracked far more aggressively then you might think. Its very important for incident investigation to know exact times when changes occur because it takes so long for it to have a visible effect. AIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Identification_System) for example can be sub 2 seconds.
Polling intervals aren't a factor for accuracy sure the exact deployments used for VTS might not fit F1 but that has nothing to do with what makes DGPS so accurate. when your cars are what 1.8 meters by 4-5 meters (?) 1meter accuracy doesn't seems that good.
Thanks for the info. I only know what I read in that article at F1tech
itsmydamnation
31-Jan-2010, 20:49
im no expert myself ( IT guy) but the orginization i work for have lots who are.
im sure its more financial then technical reason for the accuracy, bernie doesn't want to have to take a pay cut :P. There was likely already an off the shelf product they could use with very little devlopment needed. Kind of ironic :P
im no expert myself ( IT guy) but the orginization i work for have lots who are.
im sure its more financial then technical reason for the accuracy, bernie doesn't want to have to take a pay cut :P. There was likely already an off the shelf product they could use with very little devlopment needed. Kind of ironic :P
Bernie doesn't pay for it, FIA tells the teams that they must have this and they get it from whoever so the teams pay for it, just like they do for anything else. Maybe they can get it through sponsorship or something like that, but it is not free as it were.
itsmydamnation
31-Jan-2010, 21:20
I thought bernie basiclly payed for F1(out side of running a team) and in return he gets the TV rights. then the Teams and the FIA get a cut.
tongue_of_colicab
31-Jan-2010, 21:28
haha Bernie doesn't pay for F1, others pay Bernie for F1. Bernie keeps most and a little bit goes to the teams (prize money, tv license etc) ;)
Anyway, I doubt the costs of a accurate GPS system would really be an issue with the money spend in F1.
I thought bernie basiclly payed for F1(out side of running a team) and in return he gets the TV rights. then the Teams and the FIA get a cut.
Bernie collects entry fees from teams, hosting fees for Grands Prix, TV licensing money and he pays 50% to the teams in price money and 50% to CVC who own FOA and FOM. CVC are bankers who just use F1 as a cash cow. Beyond the money (and the image, I guess) they don't care and don't understand F1. CVC wants to sell F1 in the future, but now they are using F1 to pay back huge loans they took out when they purchased F1. F1 is basically collateral for them, mortgaged out. It is a shame.
Tomorrow Mercedes, Toro Rosso and Williams will unveil their cars just as the first week of testing gets underway in Valencia (not the GP track in the harbour since it is not a fully permanent facility - among other reasons).
chavvdarrr
01-Feb-2010, 18:45
Unofficial Monday test times from Valencia:
1. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 1:12.574, 102 Laps
2. Pedro de la Rosa, BMW Sauber, 1:12.784, 74 Laps
3. Michael Schumacher, Mercedes GP, 1:12.947, 40 Laps
4. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes GP, 1:13.543, 39 Laps
5. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:13.846, 86 Laps
6. Rubens Barrichello, Williams, 1:14.449, 75 Laps
7. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 1:14.762, 18 Laps
8. Robert Kubica, Renault, 1:15.000, 69 Laps
first tests
RobertR1
01-Feb-2010, 19:12
Look who is on pace already. That man is something else.
Schumi and Massa back on pace is great. Pedro is fast too. Wouldn't it be ironic if Sauber wins both championships this year? It would be Brawn all over again, just not as dramatic (team almost shutting down, having no engine until the last minute, etc).
Lightman
01-Feb-2010, 19:22
Look who is on pace already. That man is something else.
You mean Pedro don't you :)
Michael never rusts!
Videos from Valencia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRaSjPMJ37E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKUAiWy5-0
McLaren was there - where's their times, unofficial or not?
chavvdarrr
01-Feb-2010, 19:38
Videos from Valencia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRaSjPMJ37E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKUAiWy5-0
McLaren was there - where's their times, unofficial or not?
5. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:13.846, 86 Laps
huh?
5. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:13.846, 86 Laps
huh?
Blind me, looking at familiar names, not teams :oops:
Here's images from today's testing at Valencia. Click the thumbnails for hires versions.
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James Allen's F1 blog has some info on the rumoured B-spec Ferrari
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/02/decoding-a-frantic-day-of-formula-1-action-in-valencia/
More pictures, smaller res.
http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2010/480.html
Should be a good day to finally see how the land lies with Lewis taking the McLaren out, Ferrari are quick but they seem to be having major doubts about themselves already so they are obviously expecting at least one team to be very very quick.
Lightman
02-Feb-2010, 10:03
Should be a good day to finally see how the land lies with Lewis taking the McLaren out, Ferrari are quick but they seem to be having major doubts about themselves already so they are obviously expecting at least one team to be very very quick.
My bets are on surprise from RedBull. That's who Ferrari fears the most...
dizietsma
02-Feb-2010, 11:23
Ferrari leading the pack again at the moment, the pack are pretty close though, Williams not that fast yet.
It seems the narrow front tyres and more weight from the fuel means car balance is different and understeer is quite prevalent on the harder tyres.
Newest times
1. F. Massa FerrariF101:11.722 62 pit
2. K. Kobayashi SauberC291:12.056+0.33454 pit
3. L. Hamilton McLarenMP4-251:12.256+0.53494 pit
4. N. Rosberg Mercedes GPW011:12.899+1.17760 pit
5. R. Barrichello WilliamsFW321:13.377+1.65565 pit
6. R. Kubica RenaultR301:13.659+1.93761 pit
7. S. Buemi Toro RossoSTR51:14.862+3.14066 pit
FOTA urges fans to participate in survey
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81204
Dave Baumann
02-Feb-2010, 15:49
I think the timings really are going to be too tough to tell much of what is going on. Hamilton has been consistently posting 1.12-1.14's laptimes fairly consistently, even on the long runs, While Mass has posted fast times, but then started in the 1.16's when doing longer runs.
Interesting Q&A with Ross Brawn
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81208
Dave Baumann
02-Feb-2010, 16:28
http://twitpic.com/110v1j
The size of the McLaren diffuser...
Silent_Buddha
02-Feb-2010, 22:37
I think the timings really are going to be too tough to tell much of what is going on. Hamilton has been consistently posting 1.12-1.14's laptimes fairly consistently, even on the long runs, While Mass has posted fast times, but then started in the 1.16's when doing longer runs.
When mentioning longer runs, do you mean simulating a full race? As that's going to be far more important this season than quick laps.
Regards,
SB
Dave Baumann
02-Feb-2010, 22:47
I don't think anyone has done a full race simulation yet. Hamilton was doing 20-30 lap stints quite freqently today, but we don't know the fuel loads there - they could be full to the brim, they could still be lower.
Aparently Hamilton set his fastest time on just the fourth lap of a 20 lap run.
By contrast Massa set his fastest lap on the 6th lap of a 7 lap run (Clearly low fuel)
I think Ferrari were letting Massa cut loose with fast runs, making sure there were no hangovers from his accident.
I would definitely say advantage Mclaren though. Cannot wait to see what Red Bull bring to the table next time.
Sauber are doing well but I guess they are running low fuel too to try and get sponsors. Brawn got sponsors after their testing last year so I guess you can see the sense in it, after all there are other, better test tracks coming up to do the "serious" testing.
Unknown Soldier
04-Feb-2010, 16:18
Doesn't really matter what Massa did as Alonso went fastest of all.
Valencia Test, Day 3
Day three of the first pre-season test at Valencia saw Ferrari’s domination continue, Fernando Alonso carrying on where his team mate Felipe Massa left off, leading the time sheets during almost the entire session. On a sunny, dry day (track temperature 72º , air temperature 57º), in front of an impressive crowd of more than 36.000 spectators – more than we got in Istanbul during the race day last year… - the Spaniard gave his supporters plenty to cheer about as he set the quickest time of the week in Valencia. And that on his first day at the wheel of a Ferrari…
Within two hours Alonso had beaten Massa’s best mark of the week, only to improve it even further on a couple of occasions during the morning. He then reverted to longer runs, with his pace impressing his rivals as everyone admitted Ferrari seemed to have the quickest car in the field. He was cautious when he spoke to the press however: “I’m really happy the long wait is over and that more than four months after signing the contract with Ferrari I finally got the chance to drive the new car! But it’s way too early to speak about the performance of the car because we didn’t even try to go fast. We carried out our program as it was established, as we wanted to check the reliability of the F10. I did 127 laps today, the car managed more than 350 laps without any problem during these three days, so we achieved out goals.”
He added: “There is no point in asking me if this is a winning car because we won’t know that until we start working on performance related issues in the second Jerez test. I’m happy with the way things are going, Felipe did a great job in the two days he was in the car, I felt quite good in it from the first run, but we’re not getting carried away until we know exactly how fast we can go compared to the others. And that’s something we won’t know for another couple of weeks.”
Pedro de la Rosa completed Sauber’s promising week by setting the second quickest time of the day: “I felt much more comfortable inside the car than on Monday and things went very well for us today. We did some pretty big changes in the car’s set-up and they all worked well, with the car being very responsive to the changes, which is a good thing. I’m impressed with the car and the team, but without knowing how much fuel everyone had when they set their best times it’s impossible to know where we stand, at the moment. The feeling is good, but there’s obviously a lot of work to be done before we get to the first race.”
De la Rosa had an incident with Hulkenberg early in the session, which damaged quite a bit of bodywork on the Sauber C29: “I was going much quicker than him, and I thought he was going into the pits, so I passed him. But as soon as I drew alongside him I understood he was not looking in the mirrors, didn’t know I was there and we touched. It’s a shame but these things happen. I hope next time he’ll look in the mirrors.”
Michael Schumacher set the third quickest time of the day, ahead of Jaime Alguersuari, as he returned to action after one day off. His day session came to an early end however, when an hydraulic problem forced him to abort a long run. With too much work to be done and not enough time to complete it before the end of the day, Schumacher had to get out of his MGP W01 about one hour ahead of schedule.
Michael was still quite happy, saying:”Yes, I'm really happy. I had a good first day, with a rather short run on Monday. Today we had a full day. A little hydraulic leak has stopped us right now. But, all in all, very positive feedback. The car is running very smoothly, very nicely. I'm very positive. The main focus right now is to look at the reliability, do as many laps as you can, and don't worry too much about the lap times. I guess you look at them, but you need to focus.”
On the comparative competitiveness of his car, Schumacher answered: “I'm thinking we will be competitive, but whether this is a winning car straightaway or not, that's another story. For me that is not so important - it's a long season. We need to be there and taking points from the beginning. I wouldn't expect to be winning right from the beginning. It wasn't something that I was aiming for and expecting to be the case. But we need to be strong enough on development.”
Interestingly, he said his return to action had been easier than expected: “Actually it's been much easier than I anticipated. I thought it would need a bit more time but it went pretty quickly.”
Jaime Alguersuari (who replaced Bourdais last year without ever testing) had his first day of testing in Formula One and was fourth quickest with Toro Rosso’s new car. Similar gearbox problems that hampered Buemi on Monday delayed his progress, but the young Catalan was delighted with the way things had gone: “We came here without big expectations, as the goal here was just check if all the systems work and we soon found out the car was quick and consistent. The only problem was the gearbox issue but the car felt really good. For a team like Toro Rosso to make it to the first test and to have a positive result is quite encouraging and I’m very happy. Out of ten I’d give us an eight for the way the test went.”
2009 World Champion Jenson Button had his first day of running with McLaren, and seemed satisfied: “It was a long day! We finished up at about 1AM last night trying to get the seat right in the car. Because you obviously have it made in the mock-up, but it is always different when you get in the car and when you get out on the circuit it is always a bit different as well to what you expected. So we have been doing a lot of work to make me comfortable in the car, initially it wasn't quite where I wanted it to be, I was sitting quite high in the car.
We have done a lot of work today and it has been really useful. In a way it would have been nice to get some more testing done, set-up work, but this test was always to get used to the environment inside the ****pit, get used to working with the team and to run through all the checks that you always do at the first test. So it has been very useful, this morning was tough though. We have had to change a lot within the car, but I fit well now, which is good. I feel comfortable and have a good height in the car and that is always important for your confidence.”
Echoing other drivers, Button didn’t want to jump to any conclusions or make comparisons about the speed of his car, despite the immediate confidence he had felt at (last year’s) Brawn GP’s first test: “Well it's difficult to say, because first of all this is not the best circuit to get a feeling for how the car is going to be at the start of the season – because it is very different to any other circuit we race on so the balance is very different. But today it's been a busy day of finding my way around the ****pit. Because at Brawn it was pretty much the same seat, everything worked the same inside the car and it was also the same in the way the car worked. There is a lot more to get your head around here and to work on before I would comment on anything like that. From Lewis's comments yesterday he is happy, we all want more. That's the way we are, but we have a good base to work with.”
Vitaly Petrov did a good job on his maiden run in Formula One in the Renault, and got to competitive times quickly. The Russian admitted he had a lot to learn, but was very happy with the experience: “I feel pretty happy with the big job we have done. We completed the whole program and that allowed me to understand the car, how it works and how it handles. We did a good job, I didn’t have any incident and we didn’t have any technical problem with the car, so it was a good day.”
On finally jumping into the car, Petrov said, “I was not nervous, I remained calm and focused on what I was doing and tried to remain quiet. In the end everything was good.” But he admitted the R30 felt unlike anything he drove before: “You cannot compare it with a GP2, it’s another world; it’s much quicker and much more powerful; it’s a completely different car and a big step for me.”
Nico Hulkenberg was slowest on the day, taking over the Williams FW32f rom Rubens Barrichello. The GP2 champion focused on heavy fuel loads and had a trouble-free day: “It was a good day and finally I got to drive the car in anger. The first impressions are quite positive, regarding both the chassis and the engine, but we know there’s a lot of work to be done before the start of the season. We managed to complete our program here, we know we have a reliable car and engine, which is important, and in a later test we’ll start working on the performance program.”
Hulkenberg admitted he was learning from his very experienced team mate, Rubens Barrichello: “It was interesting to see him drive and to hear his comments, both from the car and in the technical meetings. He speaks very good English and manages to explain very well to the engineers what the car is doing. I had a few conversations with him today, between runs, to tell him what I was feeling in the car and it was very positive.”
Now the teams head south to Jerez de la Frontera, where these seven teams will be joined by Red Bull, Force India and Virgin. Testing will resume next Wednesday for four days of work.
BEST LAP TIMES
1 – F. Alonso (Ferrari F10), 1m11,470s (127 laps);
2 – P. de la Rosa (Sauber C29), 1m12,094s (80);
3 – M. Schumacher (Mercedes MGP W01), 1m12,438s (82);
4 – J. Alguersuari (Toro Rosso STR5), 1m12,576s (97);
5 – J. Button (McLaren MP4-25), 1m12,971s (82);
6 – V. Petrov (Renault R30), 1m13,097s (75); and
7 – N. Hulkenberg (Williams FW32), 1m13,669s.
News Source: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22061.html
Mclaren were very consistent so you could hazard a guess that they were testing with a reasonable fuel load throughout.
Looking at the long runs from Massa I think it's pretty fair to say that the fast (Low fuel) lap times are somewhat flattering Ferrari right now. (I haven't seen any long run times from Alonso, but I also haven't looked)
Campos and USF1 are the only teams who have yet to confirm their second driver. They have passed on Heidfeld who, albeit boring, is a perfectly good driver. He is going to be the reserve for Mercedes, who now are all German on the driver side. So who are Campos and USF1 after? Well, Heidfeld expects to get paid for his services so this points to them chasing money instead of good drivers which is not a good sign. You also have rumours about Tony Teixeira going to buy Campos, and Joe Saward remarked in a recent podcast with Sidepodcast.com that it was not encouraging that Campos were wanting to get in bed with a man who is in and out of courtrooms all the time. Bernie has been saying he doesn't expect every new team to show up in Bahrain, and some of the new teams didn't like this. If they can't handle some harsh comments from an old man, they certainly can't handle the pressure of F1.
Thre are rumors that in the end Stefan GP would replace Campos, the rumors state that Stefan GP have bought the rights for Dallara chassis' which would mean Campos can't get them, and that they'd use Toyota's cars for next season
They also will send their cars to Bahrain regardless if they can squeeze in to replace Campos, and test through out the season to get ready for 2011
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81210
Thre are rumors that in the end Stefan GP would replace Campos, the rumors state that Stefan GP have bought the rights for Dallara chassis' which would mean Campos can't get them, and that they'd use Toyota's cars for next season
They also will send their cars to Bahrain regardless if they can squeeze in to replace Campos, and test through out the season to get ready for 2011
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81210
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81275
Although there have been rumours in recent days that Campos' deal with Italian racing car constructor Dallara was in jeopardy because F1 hopeful Stefan GP had reached an agreement with the company too, AUTOSPORT understands that the two projects are not related.
While Dallara is producing an entire car for Campos, the deal with Stefan GP is believed to revolve around the development and evolution of the Toyota 2010 chassis that the Serbian-based team has acquired.
RobertR1
05-Feb-2010, 17:23
I'm expecting USF1 to be the Minardi of old. Amazingly off pace.
infinity4
05-Feb-2010, 18:00
I can't stop laughing myself at what Stefan GP have been doing.
I'm expecting USF1 to be the Minardi of old. Amazingly off pace.
For me, it's Campos and USF1 in shared last spot of the new ones. I rate Mike Gascoyne highly and I think if he gets to do what he wants over at Lotus, they are going to become contenders in the future. They have the backing of Proton who in turn are backed by the Malaysian government and I think they are going to be the front-runners of the new team. I don't really have a feeling for the Virgin outfit, but I think they are better off than both USF1 and Campos and of course their car has had a shakedown already.
One thing Minardi always had was passion. They hung in there, they were the little brothers of the paddock. Everyone were happy when they did well.
It'll be interesting to see how Virgin Racing / Manor does, considering it's apparently completely designed with CFD, while normally teams use CFD only for the first step(s) but the few expirements on completely with CFD designed cars have proven worthy so far (Acura LMP1 & LMP2 have won their class(es?) in LeMans Series, and Aston Martini DBR9 was proven fast apparently aswell)
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In theory, would it be possible to create a software which, within the given limits stated by F1 rules, would create the absolute optimal shape for everything, assuming driving alone? Would it be even possible to create such software, and if so, would such hardware be possible to get at any sensible price (sensible meaning in F1 teams budget terms sensible)
entity279
05-Feb-2010, 19:28
In theory, would it be possible to create a software which, within the given limits stated by F1 rules, would create the absolute optimal shape for everything, assuming driving alone? Would it be even possible to create such software, and if so, would such hardware be possible to get at any sensible price (sensible meaning in F1 teams budget terms sensible)
That sounds like a genetic algorithm. While it would be possible, of course, the solutions generated by it will just be near-optimal. Obviously, such a program would require immense resources to be invested in because as it needs a very large amount of domain-specific knowledge.
I don't understand what you mean wrt to hardware.
That sounds like a genetic algorithm. While it would be possible, of course, the solutions generated by it will just be near-optimal. Obviously, such a program would require immense resources to be invested in because as it needs a very large amount of domain-specific knowledge.
I don't understand what you mean wrt to hardware.
hardware meaning the sheer amount of computational power it would need to do the calculations in sensible timeframe
its known as computational fluild dynamics
the problem with air is there is a lot of it to simulate 12 litres of it (well oxygen) contains
6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules
the virgin car has been designed solely using it so we'll see how well that turns out
other teams use it too but they dont trust it enough to do away with the wind tunnel
Lightman
05-Feb-2010, 21:11
hardware meaning the sheer amount of computational power it would need to do the calculations in sensible timeframe
That's easy, just ask nicely some folding guys to participate ...
It's like public F1 team :smile:
On another note I would like to see StefanGP on the grid in Bahrain. Toyota chassis wasn't bad on every track! Only on some of them. Properly developed they could be close to what Sauber is showing now. (I know first tests can't be used for predicting performance but even considering they were running on almost empty tanks they still managed to put solid times on the clock)
StefanGP at Bahrain in place of who, Lightman?
Lightman
05-Feb-2010, 23:23
StefanGP at Bahrain in place of who, Lightman?
There always was/is hope Campos won't make it.
I know they still are saying they 100% on the grid, but till they financial situation is not sorted then it's 0% from my POV.
Anyway FIA should allow 14 teams anyway :evil:
There always was/is hope Campos won't make it.
I know they still are saying they 100% on the grid, but till they financial situation is not sorted then it's 0% from my POV.
Anyway FIA should allow 14 teams anyway :evil:
But don't you think Adrian Campos is more credible than Stefanovic?
Anyway, 10 worst F1 careers at ESPN racing.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/8178.html
Love this one :
Luca Badoer
As a result of his poor performances the British press saddled him with the nickname Look-How-Bad-You-Are.
Lightman
06-Feb-2010, 12:28
But don't you think Adrian Campos is more credible than Stefanovic?
Anyway, 10 worst F1 careers at ESPN racing.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/8178.html
Yes, I agree, but still I would like to see Toyota remains stand up from grave.
That's way I wanted 14 teams on the grid ... No one would need to be disappointed (except maybe few bigger team boses).
infinity4
06-Feb-2010, 13:15
More cars on the grid = More hassel during Q1 qualifying.
Yes, I agree, but still I would like to see Toyota remains stand up from grave.
That's way I wanted 14 teams on the grid ... No one would need to be disappointed (except maybe few bigger team boses).
The problem is that there isn't a 14th entry. FIA can't just make one out of thin air. There has to be a change in the regulations and the Concorde agreement, both aren't trivial.
The only way for StefanGP to get on the grid is to buy an existing entry, but why if the money was there, why didn't they buy the Toyota entry? Sauber has that entry now, btw.
Look like the Petrov money is not as solid as one would have thought. (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/from-russia-with-interest/) The belief that the money was solid sponsorship money seems to be wrong and it is in reality a big bank loan.
chavvdarrr
08-Feb-2010, 19:04
Look like the Petrov money is not as solid as one would have thought. (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/from-russia-with-interest/) The belief that the money was solid sponsorship money seems to wrong and it is in reality a big bank loan.
Depends.
His father knows Gref, Gref knows Putin ... so these money ARE as solid as they can be :D
http://vyborgshipyard.ru/rus/about/directors/
Depends.
His father knows Gref, Gref knows Putin ... so these money ARE as solid as they can be :D
http://vyborgshipyard.ru/rus/about/directors/
Did you read the blog post? Why would Petrov need to get a bank loan? Wouldn't he be able to get the money as sponsorship? It doesn't make sense.
Lightman
08-Feb-2010, 21:02
Did you read the blog post? Why would Petrov need to get a bank loan? Wouldn't he be able to get the money as sponsorship? It doesn't make sense.
I thinks his father really loves his son, or he hopes to make lots of money when Petrov starts winning races.
This or the other way I think if he performs on the track Renault will keep him.
I thinks his father really loves his son, or he hopes to make lots of money when Petrov starts winning races.
This or the other way I think if he performs on the track Renault will keep him.
But wasn't Petrov going to have solid sponsorship backing and not just a bank loan by way of his father? Whatever, I don't know. I just hope Lopez don't destroy the racing team and factory at Enstone.
All the big russian companies that were supposed to sponsor him backed off, he's now looking for sponsors in finland too, but reportedly the one company that would have been willing also required him to get finnish nationality, too
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81365
First picture of the Lotus car from the "secret" shakedown at Silverstone.
McLaren makes sure they'll win all the races this season by using this tool to chop other drivers heads off
http://cdn.gallery.autosport.com/picture_free.php/dir/2010febtest1/image/l__q0c4985-2
So, as I'm sure everyone (really) suspected Ferrari are way off the pace with a reasonable fuel load.
And it seems Williams "hybrid" system is finding it's way into the 911 GT3 race car.
http://www.attwilliams.com/downloads/pdf/11_02_10_Porsche_GT3_Hybrid_final.pdf
Kudos to them. Without even being used in anger they've impressed Porsche with it.
I love jumping to conclusions too, DJ12!
itsmydamnation
11-Feb-2010, 23:13
i love this time of year, last year ferrari were the clear:
So, as I'm sure everyone (really) suspected Ferrari are way ahead of the pack
look how well that turned out........
Fastest today was Kamui Kobayashi in the Sauber, a time set right at the end of the day on low fuel after he had spent most of the day on high fuel loads. Sebastien Buemi in the Toro Rosso was second fastest. But it was the Ferrari of Fernando Alonso which caught the eye with a long run of 48 laps at a very strong pace.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/02/jerez-day-2-virgin-woes-continue-as-alonso-flies
JA, at least, doesn't agree with you, DJ12.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/quote/index.html
Some funny quotes in there.
I love jumping to conclusions too, DJ12!
Thought you already did last week.
Anyway, it is pretty clear that Ferrari aren't in the top 3. I guess after their low fuel test last week people are clinging on to that "evidence" and making excuses for them being down the time sheet this week.
Alonso's fast time was after a long stint and emtpy tanks. No one knows outside of Ferrari what he was doing but if he had looked after his tires then that is not a remarkable time. Schumacher's fastest came early in a long stint which is more impressive as we know a reasonable tank of fuel can add seconds to a lap time.
No love lost between Max+Bernie and Flavio :grin:
Cheers
itsmydamnation
12-Feb-2010, 10:25
Thought you already did last week.
Anyway, it is pretty clear that Ferrari aren't in the top 3. I guess after their low fuel test last week people are clinging on to that "evidence" and making excuses for them being down the time sheet this week.
Alonso's fast time was after a long stint and emtpy tanks. No one knows outside of Ferrari what he was doing but if he had looked after his tires then that is not a remarkable time. Schumacher's fastest came early in a long stint which is more impressive as we know a reasonable tank of fuel can add seconds to a lap time.
i guess its only clear to you, so how much fuel did he have in the tank? seems like your the one clinging to "evidence".
PS im not a ferrari fan, mr webber fan myself.
Thought you already did last week.
Anyway, it is pretty clear that Ferrari aren't in the top 3. I guess after their low fuel test last week people are clinging on to that "evidence" and making excuses for them being down the time sheet this week.
Alonso's fast time was after a long stint and emtpy tanks. No one knows outside of Ferrari what he was doing but if he had looked after his tires then that is not a remarkable time. Schumacher's fastest came early in a long stint which is more impressive as we know a reasonable tank of fuel can add seconds to a lap time.
Where did I jump to conclusions last week? I don't know anything about who is where, but it pleased me that Alonso were topping the times in Valencia. He is Spanish, you know.
Do you mean this?
Schumi and Massa back on pace is great. Pedro is fast too. Wouldn't it be ironic if Sauber wins both championships this year? It would be Brawn all over again, just not as dramatic (team almost shutting down, having no engine until the last minute, etc).
How is that jumping to conclusions? I thought it was nice to see Michael and Felipe straight on it and I made a joke comparing Sauber to Brawn and how BMW must feel if Sauber wins it all. Of course, it doesn't really work since the team is called BMW-Sauber, so whatever.
Anyway, looks like Williams won't be able to use their pneumatic jack for 2010.
The ban on refuelling will put a greater emphasis on tyre change times this year, and the FIA has moved to stamp out teams using exotic pit machinery to help improve times.
Regulation 23.1 c) states: "Powered devices which assist in lifting any part of a car are forbidden in the pit lane during a race."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81432
If you haven't taken the FOTA F1 survey, you should. It closes on Monday February 15th.
http://www.lgf1racingfansurvey.com/
So the Lotus has been launched. I really like the livery and the yellow wheels. Fernandes and Gazza have said that this is a continuation of the original Lotus, that is the next win for Lotus will be the 80th win and that the chassis designation is T127 which is the next number in line of Lotus chassis, though the last F1 Lotus was designated T109.
Dave Baumann
13-Feb-2010, 03:45
I have to say I already have respect for Virgin (Manor) and Lotus for making it this this point at this time, out of the new teams coming to the grid I'll certainly be following these two more closely.
A question regarding lotus
"The team is being presented as a revival of a historic name - it will be granted prize money on the basis of Lotus's historical record, "
I have to say I already have respect for Virgin (Manor) and Lotus for making it this this point at this time, out of the new teams coming to the grid I'll certainly be following these two more closely.
Yeah, much respect. Doesn't matter if their car is off the pace, just being here is a great achievement.
Lightman
13-Feb-2010, 14:27
I have to say I already have respect for Virgin (Manor) and Lotus for making it this this point at this time, out of the new teams coming to the grid I'll certainly be following these two more closely.
I agree!
Building a car in less than one year is success on it's own.
I will be very impressed if they will be no more than 2 sec. a lap off the leading pack!
Interesting how these new teams will compare to good old Williams because they all will use same engine.
Can't wait till opening race! :grin:
dizietsma
16-Feb-2010, 07:39
It's interesting that Force India want to be 5th best team ( outside Schumachers top 4 of Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and redbull) because there is some tough competition in the mid ranks this year because the mid ranks now consist of Sauber, Renault, Williams.
infinity4
16-Feb-2010, 14:53
Hopefully there wont issues with car designs like double diffuser row last season. Completely ruined the season.
there is apparently something similar lurking in the background
there is apparently something similar lurking in the background
It's less of an issue than last year. Last year was about the legality of the double diffusers. This year it is about how far you can stretch it.
infinity4
17-Feb-2010, 00:15
Lack of sponsors for Sauber... I am sure they will sign a few after few races?
Lack of sponsors for Sauber... I am sure they will sign a few after few races?
I wonder what happened to that Nespresso deal that people talked about.
Interesting article by Joe Saward on Stefan GP, USF1 and Campos.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/why-stefan-gp-wants-more-grid-slots/
Q&A with Gazza. They didn't have power steering on the car today. Poor driver. :)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81560
RobertR1
17-Feb-2010, 22:22
USF1 chances of F1 slimming daily.
http://en.espnf1.com/teamus/motorsport/story/8900.html
It's ok Peter. I rather have you doing SpeedTV's pit reports anyway.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81606
The Campos Meta team has confirmed that Jose Ramon Carabante has taken full control of the Spanish outfit, with former Midland, Spyker and Force India boss Colin Kolles being appointed as team principal instead of team founder Adrian Campos.
USF1 is in deep shit. Their entry only has value for a short timeframe now and if they are going to sell it, and Stefan GP wants it, they need to do it post-haste.
It's bad for F1 in the USA that USF1 can't get past the dream-stage. They were so bullish this summer. What a huge disappointment.
RobertR1
19-Feb-2010, 20:36
I had a feeling they were full of it when they said they would doing their testing in the US. Come back do the Speed pit reports Peter. We won't hold it against you.
Lightman
20-Feb-2010, 13:30
From Saturday testing:
Unofficial Times
1. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:18.871 26 laps
2. R. Kubica Renault R30 1:19.114 +0.243 54 laps
3. V. Liuzzi Force India VJM-03 1:19.650 +0.779 43 laps
4. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP W01 1:20.150 +1.279 62 laps
5. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:20.436 +1.565 61 laps
6. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:20.751 +1.880 45 laps
7. J. Alguersuari Toro Rosso STR5 1:21.053 +2.182 66 laps
8. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:21.194 +2.323 43 laps
9. N. Hülkenberg Williams FW32 1:21.919 +3.048 93 laps
10. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:22.856 +3.985 14 laps
11. J. Trulli Lotus F1 T127 1:24.641 +5.770 65 laps
Source:http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/331535/Jerez_update_Button_beats_Button/
They getting quicker by every test!
Surprised by the first 3 cars for sure :grin:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81616
In an interview with the New York Times yesterday, Anderson revealed that US F1 was unlikely to make it to Bahrain on March 14, and was seeking to miss the Australian, Malaysian and Chinese Grands Prix as well.
"We're working with the FIA to clarify how many races we can miss," Anderson told the newspaper. "In an ideal world, we can miss the first four races and show up in Barcelona."
USF1 has handled their PR terribly. I thought Peter Windsor knew PR ...
James Allen's analysis of the testing thus far
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/02/decoding-jerez-button-tops-times-but-its-all-to-play-for/
Engineers tell me that the established teams are covered by no more than 7/10ths of a second. Ferrari and McLaren are close but Ferrari has so far been more reliable. Red Bull follow. They don’t seem to have the advantage I expected them to have, given where they finished last season and it will be interesting to see what new parts they bring next week and where they end up. Mercedes are in pursuit as well, as are Force India.
I think it's about time James Allen started reading the autosport live coverage of the testing.
He obviously has no clue about the reliability of any of the cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bc43153Wlw
Michael Schumacher in an SLS AMG ad for Mercedes. Pretty dope.
itsmydamnation
24-Feb-2010, 20:51
there have been better ads, like the one in the service station.
The red color was a nice little needle pinch at Ferrari
there have been better ads, like the one in the service station.
Link please. Haven't seen it.
tongue_of_colicab
24-Feb-2010, 23:42
I think its this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaueI5X_c
Though there is a different one where he pulls up in a gas station in a F1 car and they do some stuff to the car but I dont exactly remember it and cant find it right now. But I've seen that one on TV alot but I never saw the above one.
I think its this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaueI5X_c
Though there is a different one where he pulls up in a gas station in a F1 car and they do some stuff to the car but I dont exactly remember it and cant find it right now. But I've seen that one on TV alot but I never saw the above one.
Oh, I thought it was a new one with Merc. I have seen this. Thanks.
itsmydamnation
25-Feb-2010, 08:35
not that one but from the same set, its the one where he is pretending to be a manikin.
not that one but from the same set, its the one where he is pretending to be a manikin.
Yup, seen that too.
...he is pretending to be a manikin.
He has to pretend??!
Dave Baumann
28-Feb-2010, 04:23
Sweet. Just laid down two grand for tickets and hotels for the Montreal GP! 8-)
2 grand, you taking a coach party ?
2 grand is a bargain
I spent ~3k 10years ago to see a concert (+ it only lasted 30minutes :( )
then again 10 years ago was the stockmarket boom where I was making 3k+ a week on the stockmarket, so it essentially was a free ticket ( for 30minutes :( )
Sweet. Just laid down two grand for tickets and hotels for the Montreal GP! 8-)
AMD sponsors Ferrari. They should have been able to get you in as a guest or something. :D
tongue_of_colicab
28-Feb-2010, 11:19
2k a bargain? Lol. Wish I could say such things. I'm thinking of visiting the Belgian GP. Its not far from where I live but it will kinda depend on if my friend from Japan gets his scholarship or not because I dont want to go alone and all my other friends dont care about F1 or sports in general.
Dave Baumann
01-Mar-2010, 02:42
Well, its $500(CAD) a piece for 3 day passes to the GP on the grandstands around the hairpin (right opposite a large screen TV as well! :) ). The rest is for the hotel, which is a small fortune in itself - we did go for a Hilton, but I picked one right at the end of one of the Metro lines.
itsmydamnation
01-Mar-2010, 08:06
AMD sponsors Ferrari. They should have been able to get you in as a guest or something. :D
hasn't that stopped now?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7271&Itemid=35
hasn't that stopped now?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7271&Itemid=35
It's still there as per the last test now just concluded at Barcelona
http://i.imgur.com/93WmYs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/93WmY.jpg)
Dave Baumann
02-Mar-2010, 20:14
Oops. Is looking like it may be curtains for US F1:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81819
Oops. Is looking like it may be curtains for US F1:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81819
Bernie was right.
Joe Saward has posted a couple of blog posts today. One about Stefan GP (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/the-rights-and-wrongs-of-stefan-gp/)and one about Campos Meta (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/goodbye-campos-ola-hispania/).
I'm very annoyed at USF1. F1 needs the USA and it is a huge shame it's not there with a race. If the calendar is too full, axe the Turkey race and slot USA in before or after Canada.
Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor - people with more pride than brains. At least be proper capitalists and sell your entry. You probably can't scrape together 10 bob for 2011 anyway.
Dave Baumann
03-Mar-2010, 01:46
I'm more annoyed with the FIA. When you had outfits like Prodrive (with a proven track records, and F1 management experience) and N-Technology that were eager to get on the grid, how on earth did they manage to pick US F1 and Campos (which will no get to the grid after being bought out by a completely separate entity and are still outsourcing the chassis from Dallara)?
I think its a case of double kudos to Lotus who have managed to produce and test a car even though they had the latest entry following Toyota's pull out.
infinity4
03-Mar-2010, 01:54
N.Technology were right when they questioned selection criteria by the FIA.
I'm more annoyed with the FIA. When you had outfits like Prodrive (with a proven track records, and F1 management experience) and N-Technology that were eager to get on the grid, how on earth did they manage to pick US F1 and Campos (which will no get to the grid after being bought out by a completely separate entity and are still outsourcing the chassis from Dallara)?
I think its a case of double kudos to Lotus who have managed to produce and test a car even though they had the latest entry following Toyota's pull out.
Yep, the FIA must share the blame, but the USF1 guys were so bullish: "this is possible", "we've been planning this for a long time" and "we're going to hire Danica Patrick and Kyle Busch".
Lotus deserve huge respect and I think this just goes to show how good Gazza is at this F1 lark, even though he can occasionally rub suits the wrong way. Toyota should never have sacked him but given him more breathing space.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81829
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/space.gif http://cdn.images.autosport.com/space.gif The full 2010 Formula 1 entry list
Wednesday, March 3rd 2010, 21:09 GMT
1 Jenson BUTTON (GBR) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES (GB)
2 Lewis HAMILTON (GBR) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES (GB)
3 Michael SCHUMACHER (D) MERCEDES GP PETRONAS FORMULA ONE TEAM
4 Nico ROSBERG (D) MERCEDES GP PETRONAS FORMULA ONE TEAM
5 Sebastian VETTEL (DEU) RED BULL RACING (AUT)
6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING (AUT)
7 Felipe MASSA (BRA) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO (I)
8 Fernando ALONSO (ESP) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO (I)
9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BRA) AT&T WILLIAMS (GB)
10 Nico HÜLKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS (GB)
11 Robert KUBICA (POL) RENAULT F1 TEAM (FRA)
12 Vitaly PETROV (RUS) RENAULT F1 TEAM (FRA)
14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM (IND)
15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM (IND)
16 Sébastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO (I)
17 Jaime ALGUERSUARI (ESP) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO (I)
18 Jarno TRULLI (I) LOTUS RACING (MAL)
19 Heikki KOVALAINEN (FIN) LOTUS RACING (MAL)
20 TBA HRT F1 TEAM (ESP)
21 Bruno SENNA (BRA) HRT F1 TEAM (ESP)
22 Pedro DE LA ROSA (ESP) BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM (CH)
23 Kamui KOBAYASHI (J) BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM (CH)
24 Timo GLOCK (DEU) VIRGIN RACING (GB)
25 Luca DI GRASSI (BRA) VIRGIN RACING (GB) Note: The USF1 Team have indicated that they will not be in a position to participate in 2010.
Is BMW supplying anything for the Sauber team ?
Is BMW supplying anything for the Sauber team ?
Not anything other than the name and the good grace to sell the team back to Peter Sauber. Fuck BMW.
Drivers in bold are confirmed, nonbold are my speculation and "educated" guesses. Some names are hyperlinks to stories with information and in case of bold, confirmation.
Mercedes: Rosberg and Schumacher (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656)
Red Bull: Vettel and Webber
McLaren: Hamilton and Button
Ferrari: Alonso and Massa
Williams: Barrichello and Hulkenberg
Renault: Kubica and Petrov (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/petrov-confirmed-as-renault-f1-driver/)
Force India: Liuzzi and Sutil
Toro Rosso: Buemi and Alguersuari (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/toro-rosso-goes-for-alguersuari/)
Hispania: Senna and Chandhok (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81842)
Lotus: Trulli and Kovalainen (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/trulli-and-kovalainen-at-lotus/)
Virgin: Glock and di Grassi (http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/virgin-confirms-di-grassi/)
Sauber: Kobayashi (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608) and de la Rosa
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960)
Changelog: Campos Meta changes name to HRT F1 (Hispania Racing Team F1) (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81821). Karun Chandhok confirmed as second driver for Hispania. USF1 out of F1 2010.
We're set for Bahrain in about a weeks time. All the teams but Hispania have tested their car before Bahrain, but the Dallara-built car should have a shakedown any moment now.
HRT:
http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/noticias/201003/04/Media/M7-654999380--647x350.JPG
and the ass
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4639/20131391.jpg
I assume in the middle there's just some sort of cover to hide the details
Also, some sort of unholy alliance happened, Lada will sponsor Renault (and Petrov personally, too)
http://static.iltalehti.fi/formulat/juttulada0403JP_fo.jpg
Kinda strange to see completely unrelated car manufacturers logo on another ones car
Kinda strange to see completely unrelated car manufacturers logo on another ones car
Renault owns 25% of AutoVAZ, the company that that owns the Lada brand.
Renault owns 25% of AutoVAZ, the company that that owns the Lada brand.
Oh, didn't know that, but that explains a bit :cool:
Oh, didn't know that, but that explains a bit :cool:
I can't wait for the Kremlin to butt in. Putin will be all "What? Hamilton overtook Petrov?! This will not stand. Kidnap his family so that it doesn't happen again."
Anyone know anything about the McLaren rear wing? Red Bull say they don't think it is really legal and the FIA is going to examine the cars at the Bahrain Grand Prix this week. McLaren say they are in the clear, they have consulted with the FIA during development so even if Red Bull lodge a complaint it may very well be overlooked because it was what happened with the double diffusers last year.
Dave Baumann
08-Mar-2010, 19:11
See the links below. I think the "snorkel stuff" is going a bit far, but it appears that the "shark fin" element is actually channelling airflow directly from the top slot of the intake and then using that at the rear wing to stop stalling the airflow and reduce drag on the straights. Evidently McLaren were up to 5KPH faster on the straights than others during testing, and this may have been one of the reasons why.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/444950/f1-2010-pre-season-testing-round-up.html
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/blown-rear-wings-seperating-and-stalling/
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/mclaren-developments-snorkel-rumour/
Doesn't the engine cover poke out the back of the wing?
Anyway, I'm sure they asked the FIA numerous times so it's going to be a none starter.
I doubt it makes that much difference and teams have already tried to copy it, Ferrari have tried something similar (Prolonged engine cover) during the tests whether they did exactly what McLaren have done though is unclear.
I have no TV... NOOooooooooo!
I just realised Formula 1 is on this coming Sunday.. help!
I have no TV... NOOooooooooo!
I just realised Formula 1 is on this coming Sunday.. help!
Don't worry, just watch it via BBC's streams, they work just fine and the quality is quite nice
First race first race first race first race first race first race first race first race first race
Don't worry, just watch it via BBC's streams, they work just fine and the quality is quite nice
In my experience they are not anywhere near broadcast quality and had a tendency to freeze every few minutes - which may be ISP related.
There is only one thing for it - I will have to borrow a TV for someone or find somewhere they are going to be broadcasting it for members e.g. Rileys.
So.. people! Race predictions...
Here are mine:
Schumacher - Wins!
Button - 2nd
Alonso - 3rd
Vettel - 4th
Totally random... like.
I cannot make a prediction. The McLaren looks fast, the Ferrari looks good on long runs but the Ferrari engine may be thirstier than any other engine in F1 so they have to lug around more fuel.
I have no idea, but I wish Alonso will do well. Maybe I'll make a prediction after practice on Friday.
New Cosworth F1 site launched....
http://www.cosworthformula1.com/
Lightman
10-Mar-2010, 18:36
Anyone near Torquay wants to join me watching F1 on 52'' :?:
PS. My prediction - at least 5 cars won't make it to the finish line :twisted:
1st - Webber*
2nd - Massa*
3rd - Hamilton*
* I have a right to amend my predictions after Friday and Saturday Practise Sessions without any penalties :wink:
Sorry I cant help myself, I had to laugh when I saw this photo :)
its kryton from red dwarf
http://static.stuff.co.nz/1268248251/549/3433549.jpg
Kryten!!! not Kryton
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6382/kkkdepressed.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/kkkdepressed.jpg/)
Coulthard's jaw is more powerful than the main cannon on the Death Star.
Silent_Buddha
11-Mar-2010, 13:27
Sorry I cant help myself, I had to laugh when I saw this photo :)
its kryton from red dwarf
Looks more like the Preditor with its mouth closed. :D
Regards,
SB
Dave Baumann
11-Mar-2010, 21:30
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81997
Seems like there is some element of driver interaction with the McLaren rear wing thing.
If this knee-hole makes them unbeatable, the margins are too small.
I think the best other teams can hope for is this being outlawed next year.
It might make a reasonable difference at the tracks with long straights, but they are few and far between so I don't think it's worth worrying about for Ferrari/Red Bull etc.
Lightman
12-Mar-2010, 09:15
It has started!
Interesting times after 1st practise.
1st practice
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rr5s3/Formula_1_2010_The_Bahrain_Grand_Prix_Practice_One/
Well, these sessions didn't really help in understanding the pecking order.
Roll on P3 and Q1-2-3!
I think we learned that Force India Have a quick car with no fuel and an average one with fuel.
Wouldn't surprise me if they got a few poles this season.
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